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a good example of that infact is the am4 socket for AMD. They
have been using it since 2017.
On 6/20/2021 7:28 PM, John Holcomb II
Sometimes you can replae the processor in
the motherboard if it has the same sockit
Gene remember though the pricepoints for
desktops and laptops are totally different. A 600-700 machine
for a desktop is around 900 or more for a laptop to achieve a
similar level of performance. And desktops are indeed more
durable, even more so for quality components. You can
literally swap out the motherboard and processor if it gets
On 6/20/2021 1:00 PM, Gene wrote:
you are saying that if you have all sorts of power
so your machine isn’t working as hard and will last
longer, I consider that very questionable. Perhaps
with an underpowered machine the machine working
harder and producing more heat might shorten its
life, but I doubt that having too much power would
cause a machine to last longer. And then, there is
the cost. If I spend six or seven hundred dollars
for a machine and I use it seven or eight years,
then I buy another one, if I want the same rough
amount of power, it will cost less, perhaps much
less. I may be paying for two machines of the power
I will be using in order to try to make one machine
Sunday, June 20, 2021 12:19 PM
Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop
I have al
of this power. What is the point if nothing will use
to think because I have all of this power and can do
all of these cores and threading, that it’d run
longer with things taking advantage of this.
still a good machine I would think. A friend has a
similar processor, the i7 6700 K if I remember
right, and he said it is still mostly fast. And no
unfortunately screen readers don't take advantage of
multicore, and probably never will according to
discussion on the NVDA group.
6/19/2021 4:43 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
When I bought this in 2017 AMD wasn’t in the game
yet or I wouldn’t have bought this.
screen readers and Windows take advantage of
multi-core processors yet I wonder?
overkill I know, but I’ll probably keep it until
it becomes too slow.
gigahertz Intel Core i7-6950X
COMPUTER INC. SABERTOOTH X99 Rev 1.xx
forget which ram I put in here.
to put an M.2 SSD in here next and upgrade to I
guess it’ll be Windows 11? As right now I’m on a
spinning Western Digital Red on Windows 7.
will be much better when I put an M.2 in here I’m
graphics is a Nvidia GForce 210
that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on
dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even
when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a
much higher wattage part, but barely produces any
heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And
more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers
for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR
software. But the number of things that take
advantage will only grow as time passes. And right
now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even in
single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the
desktop they backported a 10 nm process to 14 nm,
making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores
on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K.
If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are
easily the worst processor reviews I have read
6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:
is still on the 14NM process.
moving to a smaller die size will help with
power savings. AMD is killing it right now.
not sure how many apps take advantage of
also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer
vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many
hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also
generate less heat for the same performance
thanks to the newer processor technologies. They
have substantially better multicore core
performance as well.
6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the
crop when it comes to desktops.
with hyper threading.
here’s another thought to consider.
single core performance, AMD is worth a look.
They have something similar to hyper threading
which I forget what its called now.
right and I forgot about that.
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy
a new desktop
am not a tech but I doubt you have to
worry about the case. You seem to be
worried that the problems you have with
your computer are caused by heat. there
is no reason for that assumption.
has been asked, how do you intend to use
your computer? I know little about M2
slots but whether you have one may not
matter to any extent depending on how
you intend to use it. My impression is
that they are common on computers now
but I am just stating an impression and
I hope others discuss the question.
would imagine that other things you are
worried about, hyperthreading, for
example, are so standard in machines
that are not bottom of the line that you
probably don’t have to worry about
whether a machine uyou buy has that
ability. I would imagine it is present
in any machine that isn’t a bottom of
the line budget machine.
has been asked, how do you intend to use
the machine? I’ll ask further if you
anticipate your uses changing to any
significant extent over time. After we
know how you intend to use your machine,
people can discuss such matters as
price, power of machine, etc. I think
those questions of use are by far the
most important in people advising you.
Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM
[TechTalk] decided to buy a new
Well, I guess I am
coming in to this decade I am finally
going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8
years. So do I have to tell them I want
an m2 slot or is there another term? I
ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did
not have hiper threaded with my cores.
I read up that the hiper threaded makes
them faster for the PC. Everything else
was intergraded on the mother board,
sound, internet card, graphics card and
memory. It was all intel integrated. The
first thing to go out on this machine
was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am
wired in to the modem as the wireless is
not that great .I have to use a USB cord
to get my printer to print too. So I am
not sure what went out that these do not
work anymore unless I do it threw a
cable. I know the Bluetooth still works
as my keyboard and mouse still work with
the dongle. Monitor port does not work
but I just switched to a USB monitor. I
was just wondering if I can get a tower
casing that vents heat more evenly. Or
are the tower cases different these
days. Thanks everybody.
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