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Um your sister using that, that wasn’t a good idea either.
My I3 that I tried I just got tired of the slowness with the thing.
You’d go to hit the delete key in outlook and the thing would take like 2 seconds to start talking.
Yeah um, no.
But the people that were asking about this kinda thing aren’t power users.
And yeah I agree with you if you have the money, get better specs.
On Jun 21, 2021, at 5:17 AM, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
Well, I guess so. But this is for regular users. A power user
will likely want that 32 gb of ram, i9 or r9/r7 processor, higher
SSD, etc. This was my point. It makes sense to spend more, get a
quality machine, and use it longer. I had the i3 laptop satallite
l655. Less than a year out, the speakers popped, the keyboard
started failing, and the DVD drive failed as well. Another 2 years
later, the fans failed, iether the ram or HDD failed so the
machine was unbarably slow for a reason I couldn't figure out, and
it lost the ability to cool where a burning smell would come out.
And my sister kept usint it despite the burning smell, then the
keyboard failed again. I told my dad it wasn't worth the trouble
On 6/20/2021 10:48 PM, John Holcomb II
A Refurb might get you something better at
the 500 price point.
I remember posting something here the other
day that actually was 256SSD , 16GB of ram, and Core I5 but
forget which chip it was now.
eBay can be your friend too 😊
So lol, I think we more or less agree after
all of this.
Thing is if you take a look at it and think
$900 now get more value than if you bought a laptop for $500
and a second one for $400.
And you can add two year or more warrantee
onto that but that shoots your price tag up of that refurb
unit, and if you are gonna spend that money on the insurance
anyway, might as well just put it toward a better machine.
But you know other than processor and ram
and that, people get better keyboards for the higher price
I didn't factor deals or mass sales like black Friday into
the pricepoint. I had internded to say a machine costing
arounnd 800-900 normally would be a good product. But instead
of buying a laptop with an outdated chip, if 500 is really
only one would spend, it would make sense to be used rather
On 6/20/2021 8:57 PM, John Holcomb II
Oh yeah true I didn’t think of that. And
I honestly forgot until you pointed it out.
I’m actually surprised they have a
laptop released this year with a processor that old.
But again. Its below $600 which is really
all some can spend.
But in looking around if you can spend 8
or 900, you’re really a lot better off if you ask me.
Having said that, your $800 or $900
really can be knocked down quite a bit if you go to a site
like Dell or HP and configure it yourself.
Lenovo frequently has sails so you never
pay list price.
Also look at prime day which is coming
There are deals to be had.
Sites like The Verge, Digital Trends,
PCMag, LaptopMag, etc. have entire sections devoted to deals
on laptops too.
The issue with thhis one is it has an AMD 3400 U processor.
This processor is two generatyions behind. Though the 5000
series didn't bring a massive improvement, the 4000
generation sure did, and that was when AMD doubled core
counts at higher segment among other things. I actually
stuck with the underpowered Haswell laptop for another year
to get a 4000 series instead of a 3000 for the extra
performance, which is about 120% more.
On 6/20/2021 8:19 PM, John Holcomb II
Refurb is not a bad way to go, in my
But if you don’t go refurb, here’s the
cheapest one I I’d get new, from Best Buy.
Just by the specs, don’t believe the
SSD is replaceable but the RAM is.
You can easily change this from Windows
10 in S mode to regular windows 10.
Dell Inspiron 15.6" FHD Touch
Laptop -AMD Ryzen 5 8GB RAM 256 GB SSD Black
i3505-A542BLK-PUS - Best Buy
really doubt that a typical user needs to spend
over 600 dollars for a laptop, and when you
consider sales or manufacturer refurbished
machines, that makes me even more skeptical. Even
if I am wrong about new laptops, I expect you can
get a 700 dollar value or perhaps a little more by
buying machines on good sale or a manufacturer
this review is about fifteen months old. You will
see passages where it is stated that something
isn’t as much the case any more. If such things
were changing then, there may be significantly
more change now.
that this is changing, though: in the past, we
rarely found a laptop under $730 that offers more
than six hours of real-world battery life. Now,
some budget laptops can last you a full day.
that was about sixteen months ago.
was a time when budget laptops were universally
equipped with low-cost Pentium and Celeron CPUs
with at most dual-core designs. That’s not as true
today, with many budget laptops utilizing Intel
Core CPUs and AMD Ryzen 3000 quad, and even
six-core CPUs in some cases. A modern 10th-gen
Intel CPU, like that in the Acer Swift 3, for
example, provides excellent performance across the
board in both single-threaded and multi-threaded
so, you’re much more likely to get a faster
quad-core (or even six- or eight-core) CPU by
spending a few hundred dollars more. I’ll let
those with much more technical knowledge than I
have discuss this passage, but here again, if this
was the case sixteen months ago, who knows what
the case is now.
regarding SSD drives, at what price point do they
start in laptops? it has been stated that most
laptops have them now.
Sunday, June 20, 2021 7:47 PM
Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop
saying your price range of 600-700 for desktops is
ok, but laptops the same level of quality on the
unit goes for 800-100 or so as stated in the
articles. As they are portable, you get less
performance per dollar.
6/20/2021 7:45 PM, Gene wrote:
not advocating using very slow computers.
I don’t know about various processors and
other technical matters in terms of
acceptable speed. But I’m writing about
this because you may be giving people a
really exaggerated sense of slowness at a
price range where slowness wouldn’t be a
problem. What price computer are you
talking about where a browser might take
fifteen seconds to open? Even on my
laptop, eleven years old and moderately
priced for its time, I can open browsers
in something like three or four seconds.
I don’t have them go to a home page, which
speeds up opening but if I had to wait
fifteen secondes for a browser to open,
I’d be very unhappy.
this is with a computer with a mechanical
hard drive whereas it has been stated that
most laptops now have SSD drives. And
considering that what you would get now
for the same amount of money as eleven
years ago would be faster and more
powerful than what I got then, I think it
is important to know what sorts of
machines you are talking about, moderately
priced machines, bottom of the line budget
machines or something else?
Sunday, June 20, 2021 7:18 PM
Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new
isn't correct though. 99% of people will
feel speed matters. There is a poiunt
where things are overkill, but an i7 or
unllocked processor isn't where it begins.
Look at it this way. If you open and close
browsers each time, and it takes 15
seconds instead of less than 1, and you
did this several dozen times a day, that
is minutes off of your life you could be
doing something better than sitting in
front of youtr screen. And your processor
isn't overpowered iether. If I recall that
is only 4 core, rather underpowered
compared to today's processors. Amd laptop
processors easily exceed skylake desktop
processor performance these days, and 10
will make your system more responsive,
especially since the processor security
patches don't mess up your SSD performance
6/20/2021 12:24 PM, John Holcomb II
You have a point
that Geen should if he has the money to
do so, but consider Geen’s points if you
will for a second.
What if Geen doesn’t
have a job where that extra 30 seconds
matters to him or his company?
What if he has the
money but would rather spend it on an
experience doing something not tech
What if he doesn’t
havce the money at all?
I’ve noticed that
many people suggest what is good and
isn’t, but not everybody wants to spend
that money even if they have it.
There’s a point
where things are indeed overkill.
Yes screen readers
do take up more resources but all facts
do need to be considered.
I mean look at me, I
have got all of this power and if
nothing will ever use it why should I
ever bother again?
You do need and
should get one if you have the
disposable income to get one. There is
definately many important performance
improvements that have a quality of life
impact. It makes all the difference in
the world whetehr a file compresses iin
5 minutes versus 4 houtrrs, or whether
word loads in 30 seconds or less than 1.
On 6/19/2021 5:08
PM, Gene wrote:
not sure what you are saying.
I’m saying that I had no problem
with heat using old machines
going back to the nineties. And
I don’t know what you mean by
the most basic of computer
tasks. I used machines from the
early 2000’s to browse, stream,
including from Youtube, record
audio, word process, and copy
backups to external drives. My
laptop is about eleven years
old. Even if my apartment is
warm, eighty or eighty-five
degrees, I have absolutely no
trouble with heat doing the
things I discuss, nor do I have
problems with the other much
older machines I have. My fans
do not race.
hope others enter into this
conversation. You just do not
need a nine-hundred dollar
machine if you are a typical
computer user, though you seem,
as I understand what you are
saying, to be advocating that.
Saturday, June 19, 2021
Re: [TechTalk] decided to
buy a new desktop
your experiences, or lack there
of of heat doesn't represent
everyone with older machines. It
is well established that very
old processors are underpowered
for anything but the most basic
of computing tasks, and generate
tremendous amounts of heat. You
would need to compare it to a
brand new high powered laptop to
really feel the difference.
6/19/2021 1:35 PM, Gene wrote:
have never had a problem
with heat and, though I
don’t discount your
experience, it cannot be
assumed to be
laptop, an eleven year
old machine, seldom has
its fan run at anything
but a slow speed and
that is when I do most
things I do, including
streaming videos from
have another old, by
today’s standards very
that runs XP. I never
had a heat problem and I
would use it for
Youtube. I should also
add that I have another
old machine that runs XP
and it too never had
such a problem. One
person’s experience is
not valid for
other people report
similar experiences, I
would take that into
account but nothing in
my experience supports
Saturday, June 19,
2021 1:05 PM
decided to buy a
only that, but heat
generation too. My old
Toshiba on dual core
Haswell i5 would have
fans scream even when
watching youtube. But my
Ryzen fifth gen is a
much higher wattage
part, but barely
produces any heat, even
under full load it isn't
very bad. And more apps
take advantage of
multicore. Browsers for
one, file encoders and
compression tools, OCR
software. But the number
of things that take
advantage will only grow
as time passes. And
right now fifth gen
Ryzen surpasses Intel in
even in single core,
and Intel is severely
behind, on the desktop
they backported a 10 nm
process to 14 nm, making
rocket lake, dropping
the number of cores on
the 1900K by 2 to 8 from
the 10 on the 10900K. If
you read rocket lake i7
reviews, they are easily
the worst processor
reviews I have read
On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb
is still on the 14NM
moving to a smaller
die size will help
with power savings.
AMD is killing it
not sure how many apps
take advantage of
also use newer
7 nanometer vs 14
nanometer for Intel,
don't have as many
hardware side channel
also generate less
heat for the same
performance thanks to
the newer processor
better multicore core
performance as well.
6/18/2021 4:57 PM,
John Holcomb II
SSDs will be on
anything but the
bottom of the crop
when it comes to
thought to consider.
performance, AMD is
worth a look. They
similar to hyper
threading which I
forget what its
right and I forgot
June 18, 2021 5:46
to buy a new desktop
am not a tech
but I doubt
you have to
the case. You
seem to be
you have with
are caused by
is no reason
asked, how do
you intend to
about M2 slots
you have one
may not matter
to any extent
how you intend
to use it. My
that they are
but I am just
I hope others
things you are
hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not
bottom of the
line that you
have to worry
a machine uyou
buy has that
it is present
in any machine
that isn’t a
bottom of the
asked, how do
you intend to
ask further if
we know how
you intend to
etc. I think
use are by far
18, 2021 3:59
decided to buy
a new desktop
Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am
to upgrade my
7 or 8 years.
So do I have
to tell them I
want an m2
slot or is
term? I ran
adviser and it
said I did not
my cores. I
read up that
for the PC.
It was all
thing to go
out on this
years ago. I
am wired in to
the modem as
is not that
great .I have
to use a USB
cord to get my
print too. So
I am not sure
what went out
that these do
I do it threw
a cable. I
still works as
does not work
but I just
switched to a
USB monitor. I
wondering if I
can get a
evenly. Or are
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