Re: windows 10 with jaws


I think one reason is that ribbons may not be clear in terms of how they are organized and how to work with them if you just come across them and have no good instruction.  That probably happened to a lot of people who had none or had some help from people who didn't understand them properly either.

The word from people who have such experiences spreads from them throughout the blind computer using community.

If there had been some sort of utopian way to send good help in the form of explanations and demonstrations to all those in the blind Windows computer using community as soon as ribbons were released, a lot of the fear surrounding ribbons might have been preempted.


On 7/30/2021 3:28 PM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

It's amazing to me that a word, one simple word can cause such angst, such fear, such unreasoning terror.  Ribbons are menus, pure and simple.  They may cause some difficulty for the sighted because they are horizontal and not vertical, but what is so terrifying about a menu?  You've been working with menus since you started using a computer.  Why aren't you terrified by menus? They're just the same as ribbons!  Ribbons are horizontal menus, that's all.  They have more data in them, but they're only menus, just menus.  ""Beware the Jabberwock, The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!”
― Lewis Carroll,  Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There

Ann P.

Original message:

Really there’s a ribene disabler?
What is that n and how odes it work?
From: <> On Behalf Of joanne
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws
Marvin and all, thanks for your input and we will definitely be in touch with those who let me know they're available to help. When I get windows 10 it's a relief to know I can email my specific concerns to someone who's used it.
I think the main problem my friend is having is what I am having whenever I see a computer that has 10. He couldn't get regular list views and, like many of us, didn't comprehend ribbons so I sent him a ribbon disabler. What I wasn't aware of until now was the comprehensive info we can get from Freedom Scientific. I will certainly be making use of that and will let my friend know that help from them is also available.
I realize there have been disagreements in the group about people's comfort level and wanting to stick with certain things that they're used to from other programs. That's why there are some work-arounds like classic shell and other tools. I'm very glad many of you have caught on to the strange setup of 10, but some of us--at least starting out--want certain aspects to have at least some familiarity to us. So I appreciate the great help that comes, and I also hope that those who don't have trouble adjusting to 10 might try to understand that some are in a different place and need some extra help and ideas as we learn this operating system.
From: Marvin Hunkin <>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 4:08 AM
To: <>
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws
h. if you want to e-mail me and tell me what problems or issues. Been using windows 10 with jaws for about 7 years. A power user. So if I can help. Did you try googling if windows 10 utube. Did you try the freedom scientific training and then searching for windows 10.
Or what about the fs reader training about windows. That is for windows 10.
If you need help.
Happy to help.
Ps: don’t know of any programs which will have a shell like windows 7.
Just learn to use windows 10.

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