Re: windows 10 with jaws
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Gene
The JAWS virtual menus are not a good way to work with
ribbons. See this discussion.
Also, if you use them, since instructional material in general
uses real ribbons, you are making it harder to use tutorials and other
instructional material.
Did you see the tutorial I sent earlier today? To move
through a ribbon efficiently requires knowledge of one or two commands for
moving quickly through ribbons, which I explain, and memorizing combinations of
letters that make up a command, equivalent to shortcut commands on a menu, such
as alt f, a, that you use regularly.
It is a little less efficient to move through ribbons, even
when using shortcut commands because shortcut commands usually require another
letter or two or perhaps three. But nonribbon commands, previously used in
ribbon programs mostly still work such as control o for open, control r for
reply, etc so this loss of efficiency is often not a problem because you still
use all or almost all the most efficient control plus letter or number commands
you used in the menu versions. .
But whenever people disable ribbons, my qquestion is, what
will you loose access to and what will be harder to do? I don’t know the
answers because I don’t disable ribbons. Others may want to discuss the
question.
Gene
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From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws I
have jaws set to show the jaws ribbon. I honestly do not find ribbons as easy to navigate and would prefer too disable them. John -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 5:12 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws I think one reason is that ribbons may not be clear in terms of how they are organized and how to work with them if you just come across them and have no good instruction. That probably happened to a lot of people who had none or had some help from people who didn't understand them properly either. The word from people who have such experiences spreads from them throughout the blind computer using community. If there had been some sort of utopian way to send good help in the form of explanations and demonstrations to all those in the blind Windows computer using community as soon as ribbons were released, a lot of the fear surrounding ribbons might have been preempted. Gene On 7/30/2021 3:28 PM, Ann Parsons wrote: > Hi all, > > It's amazing to me that a word, one simple word can cause such angst, > such fear, such unreasoning terror. Ribbons are menus, pure and > simple. They may cause some difficulty for the sighted because they > are horizontal and not vertical, but what is so terrifying about a > menu? You've been working with menus since you started using a > computer. Why aren't you terrified by menus? They're just the same as > ribbons! Ribbons are horizontal menus, that's all. They have more > data in them, but they're only menus, just menus. ""Beware the > Jabberwock, The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! > Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun > The frumious Bandersnatch!” > ― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There > > <smiling> > Ann P. > > > > > Original message: > >> Really there’s a ribene disabler? > >> What is that n and how odes it work? > >> Thanks, > >> John > >> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of >> joanne >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 7:52 AM >> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws > >> Marvin and all, thanks for your input and we will definitely be in >> touch with those who let me know they're available to help. When I >> get windows 10 it's a relief to know I can email my specific concerns >> to someone who's used it. > >> I think the main problem my friend is having is what I am having >> whenever I see a computer that has 10. He couldn't get regular list >> views and, like many of us, didn't comprehend ribbons so I sent him a >> ribbon disabler. What I wasn't aware of until now was the >> comprehensive info we can get from Freedom Scientific. I will >> certainly be making use of that and will let my friend know that help >> from them is also available. > >> I realize there have been disagreements in the group about people's >> comfort level and wanting to stick with certain things that they're >> used to from other programs. That's why there are some work-arounds >> like classic shell and other tools. I'm very glad many of you have >> caught on to the strange setup of 10, but some of us--at least >> starting out--want certain aspects to have at least some familiarity >> to us. So I appreciate the great help that comes, and I also hope >> that those who don't have trouble adjusting to 10 might try to >> understand that some are in a different place and need some extra >> help and ideas as we learn this operating system. > >> Joanne > >> From: Marvin Hunkin <mailto:startrektech@...> > >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 4:08 AM > >> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > >> Subject: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws > >> h. if you want to e-mail me and tell me what problems or issues. Been >> using windows 10 with jaws for about 7 years. A power user. So if I >> can help. Did you try googling if windows 10 utube. Did you try the >> freedom scientific training and then searching for windows 10. > >> Or what about the fs reader training about windows. That is for >> windows 10. > >> If you need help. > >> Happy to help. > >> Ps: don’t know of any programs which will have a shell like windows 7. > >> Just learn to use windows 10. > >> Marvin. > >> >
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