Re: windows 10 with jaws

Ann Parsons

Hi all,

Interesting, and probably true. Once I realized that I was looking at a menu which combined the old drop-down menus with the toolbars, all the mystery was gone for me. As I said before, the fact that a ribbon menu is horizontal shouldn't affect a blind person's understanding at all because he or she is still working with a feature which is voiced, and it is not germain to talk about how ribbons are horizontal instead of vertical; unless the student is a visual learner.

I think the only way to remove the fear of ribbons is to work with them. Oh, not using Jaws Virtual Ribbons, though these are good, and often useful if you want to do something quick, but working with the ribbons as they appear on the screen. Once you've tabbed through the options on a ribbon, you all of a sudden realize that this is the same group of options you had before. It's just arranged differently. Everything you want to do with your program is still there.

One word about commands, many of your old commands from windows7 still work. Ctrl-s saves. Alt-f4 still closes programs. Ctrl-2 still changes line spacing in Word. Alt-s still sends messages in Outlook. Ctrl-o still opens files.

It's the same tune, different variation.

Ann P.

Original message:

I think one reason is that ribbons may not be clear in terms of how they
are organized and how to work with them if you just come across them and
have no good instruction.  That probably happened to a lot of people who
had none or had some help from people who didn't understand them
properly either.

The word from people who have such experiences spreads from them
throughout the blind computer using community.

If there had been some sort of utopian way to send good help in the form
of explanations and demonstrations to all those in the blind Windows
computer using community as soon as ribbons were released, a lot of the
fear surrounding ribbons might have been preempted.

On 7/30/2021 3:28 PM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,
It's amazing to me that a word, one simple word can cause such angst,
such fear, such unreasoning terror.  Ribbons are menus, pure and
simple.  They may cause some difficulty for the sighted because they
are horizontal and not vertical, but what is so terrifying about a
menu?  You've been working with menus since you started using a
computer.  Why aren't you terrified by menus? They're just the same as
ribbons!  Ribbons are horizontal menus, that's all.  They have more
data in them, but they're only menus, just menus.  ""Beware the
Jabberwock, The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!”
― Lewis Carroll,  Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There
Ann P.

Original message:
Really there’s a ribene disabler?
What is that n and how odes it work?
From: <> On Behalf Of
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws
Marvin and all, thanks for your input and we will definitely be in
touch with those who let me know they're available to help. When I
get windows 10 it's a relief to know I can email my specific concerns
to someone who's used it.
I think the main problem my friend is having is what I am having
whenever I see a computer that has 10. He couldn't get regular list
views and, like many of us, didn't comprehend ribbons so I sent him a
ribbon disabler. What I wasn't aware of until now was the
comprehensive info we can get from Freedom Scientific. I will
certainly be making use of that and will let my friend know that help
from them is also available.
I realize there have been disagreements in the group about people's
comfort level and wanting to stick with certain things that they're
used to from other programs. That's why there are some work-arounds
like classic shell and other tools. I'm very glad many of you have
caught on to the strange setup of 10, but some of us--at least
starting out--want certain aspects to have at least some familiarity
to us. So I appreciate the great help that comes, and I also hope
that those who don't have trouble adjusting to 10 might try to
understand that some are in a different place and need some extra
help and ideas as we learn this operating system.
From: Marvin Hunkin <>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 4:08 AM
To: <>
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws
h. if you want to e-mail me and tell me what problems or issues. Been
using windows 10 with jaws for about 7 years. A power user. So if I
can help. Did you try googling if windows 10 utube. Did you try the
freedom scientific training and then searching for windows 10.
Or what about the fs reader training about windows. That is for
windows 10.
If you need help.
Happy to help.
Ps: don’t know of any programs which will have a shell like windows 7.
Just learn to use windows 10.

Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
Author of The Demmies:
Portal Tutoring web site:
Skype: Putertutor

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