of course, there could also be the issue of when
people upgraded from win 7 to win 8 or windows xp to windows ME.
Seems like there is always a so called bad version between the so called
good versions. wonder what makes the programmers and department heads at
MS decide, "okay, this sin't working, lets ditch it and start from scratch with
a new version"?
Keith
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Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 6:03
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW:
Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!
Well, problems are in all new operating systems. the
accessibility issues are not excluded from this list.
However, regardless of the cons against the operating
system. What are the pros?
This is my concern. Not the problems because eventually
these problems are going to be fix. What are going to be the advantages that
could convince users to install Windows 11?
This is like the last IO’s updates. No much new. The same
thing just a few appearance changes on the surface.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb
II
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 12:12 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW:
Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!
And have they tried different configs from different
computers?
I’d think by now the pitch forks would be out if there were
really this many problems across the board.
John
Advice
from a user I believe is technically knowledgeable enough to say this on
another list is to wait three months after a new full release of Windows such
as Windows 11 comes out. That’s to avoid bugs which haven’t been worked
out yet and because there may be areas in which screen-readers don’t work as
well for a time. Of course, if people want to have the latest and are
willing to put up with potential problems, that’s up to them but I think that
is good advice, and I’ve seen similar advice over the years, for people who
want to use Windows for getting things done reliably and dependablly and who
want to upgrade but who aren’t particularly experimenters and who can wait to
get the newest thing.
Aside
from that, I don’t know anything about the organization who wrote the message
but they are generalizing in a manner which appears to be unjustified and
makes me suspicious about their reliability. I’m not saying these things
don’t happen and they may happen enough to be a problem, but if they are
happening, as the message strongly implies to everyone, then why have many
people upgraded on lists like this and we haven’t heard much of anything about
these problems? and why didn;’t we hear anything during beta testing on
this list?
In
short, I consider the message to be cautionary, you may have such problems but
not as any sort of proof about how likely it is that you will.
-----Original
Message-----
Sent:
Friday, December 03, 2021 8:46 AM
Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as
Possible!!
Hi Group,
I am using NVDA 2021.2
and I don't experience most of these problems. I am using the latest version
of Microsoft Word from the 365 package and I do notice some sluggishness, but
not as is described in this message from the Jaws-Users list.
The only
major difference is that on my system--which is an HP desktop, I must click on
the show hidden items chevron button and then use left/right arrow keys to
highlight individual items on the system tray. This feature has effectively
broken the NVDA add-on for syst tray list.
On 12/3/2021
7:51 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:
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Hi
everyone,
I hope it’s okay
to forward the following message which I received regarding switching to
Windows 11. I know several of you have done so, but this message is so
negative about Windows 11, I really want opinions as to whether it’s okay to
upgrade or not. Here’s the message I received:
The IT
Department at Blind Industries and Services of Maryland distributed the
following information:
I thought
everyone should know about this.
We have been
finding that there is a massive problem with accessibility in Windows 11.
Anyone using a screen-reader in Word, for instance, will find that very
often, the system is slowed so badly it is nearly crippled; this does not
affect people without screen-readers, as far as we've been able to
determine. There are also a great many things broken that have caused
screen-reader accessibility to seriously decrease. At this stage, Microsoft
are showing few or no signs that they intend to fix the situation. Some of
you may be offered the chance to upgrade by your home computers, depending
on how new they are (the system can't be run on an older one), and we very
strongly suggest, at this point, that you refrain from trying it. In some
instances, it can render the system nearly unusable. It has also been known
to cause video drivers to stop working, which means that nothing will appear
on the screen, and it can also cause screen-readers to refuse to start up if
you are even one version out of date. We also know that the alt-tab
keystroke has been broken, and we suspect that a lot of other problems have
been incorporated into Windows 11 as well. Having experienced crashes and
mishaps getting the system up and running ourselves, we are only just
experimenting with it and do not believe we've found all the
problems.
In the event
that you would like to try an experiment at home, you absolutely must update
your screen-reader fully before doing so. If you fail to do that, it
probably won't load, leaving you without speech. Using Narrator to attempt
to update any other screen-reader will be slow and might not work. The
system has, overall, taken a rather nasty hit in the speed department that
all of you, as screen-reader users, will notice in particular, and a lot of
programs work erratically at best. Finally, if you do opt to try this
update, we suggest that you do not try it on a computer you depend on for
work or important personal tasks. Downgrading will be difficult or
impossible. Again, those of you in Rehab may wish to let all your students
know, and note that if you have a choice when buying a new computer, try not
to purchase it with Windows 11.
-- Signature: For a nation to admit it has done grevous wrongs and will strive to correct them for the betterment of all is no vice; For a nation to claim it has always been great, needs no improvement and to cling to its past achievements is no virtue!
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