Re: Why should one learn Braille?


rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

hello,
I prefer reading grade 1, too. can't care less about writing, though.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 3 Mar 2016, at 8:31 pm, Anders Holmberg <anders@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:

Hi!
Here in Sweden they have taken away the contracted braille because they thought it makes it harder for blind to spell.
I didn’t like the contracted braille and i never learned english grade 2 either.
/A
On 03 Mar 2016, at 17:08, Flor Lynch <florlync@iol.ie> wrote:

Then there are also people, older ones too, who relish a challenge. It 'keeps the brain active', LOL. It's like, "motivation is the name of the game". Braille even helps me in reading (and writing) emails, i.e., I can multi-task, listening to something else while at the same time 'doing' emails. I did grow up with Braille, though, so that's an advantage.

Will cheaper and affordable braille displays become a reality? Perhaps. If the people developing them have studied and learned from the previous projects and experiments. Will they help save Braille, i.e., preserve it as a viable means of literacy for blind people? I think it'll go some (but not all) of the way there.

-----Original Message----- From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 2:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Why should one learn Braille?

Totally agree!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 9:15 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Why should one learn Braille?

Hello everyone,
There is no need to defend Braille. No one is arguing whether Braille has it's uses. Only that it is not necessary for every single blind person to learn it. If you personally find Braille useful, then you find it useful.
Individual circumstances and needs will vary significantly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Why should one learn Braille?


I learned Braille later in life and I'm envious of those who read
Braille very quickly.
If you were a Braille user you most likely would discover that Braille
is not spelled brail.
I tried my best learning to read/write Braille and I'm a decent reader
and writer.
However, I'm painfully slow compared to someone that can really read
Braille.
I started learning Braille when I was 29 and I accepted after a couple
of years that I will never become a quick reader but I still find it
very useful.


On 3 March 2016 at 13:54, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes agree there is a place for brail not saying that at all. I just
saying I don't need it in my life at this time ! If I see where I
have a need for it that I just got to have it then I will learn it.
But don't see that happening no time soon for myself!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel Wilkins [mailto:soundsam@spwnet.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 7:49 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Why should one learn Braille?

Hello everyone, there are many things I can do with Braille that simply
couldn't be done with audio. For example, in my local church, I have the
words of the songs that will be sung on a particular Sunday put onto a
memory stick, and I transfer the file to my BrailleSense. I can then
read
along while singing, just as everyone else is doing. I could not do that
with audio. Also, I have now started taking minutes voluntarily for a
committee, and if I just relied on speech, I would have major problems
trying to concentrate both on what I am doing and on hearing what people
are
saying. If I want to take notes, I need to use Braille, as there are
situations, such as when confidential information is being given, where I
would simply not be allowed to record what is going on, especially if
there
are people who have specifically requested not to be recorded. In fact,
I
was requested not to record the committee meetings for this reason. I do
appreciate, though, that there are people who have lost their sight later
in
life, so may not be up to learning Braille or have the sensitivity in
their
fingers to learn it.

On 03/03/2016 12:23, Matt wrote:
No did not say you would be sitting around the house doing nothing at
all!
No I and speaking for myself NO! I am not going to put myself thru the
aggravation of learning another written language just so I can say I
am blind and I read brail! I really don't have no need for Brail at
all! I get along just fine without it ! I have other means to do the
same thing to me is much easier to use. I try doing brail not long
after I lost my site and thought it was the thing to do. But I decided
very quickly this was just not for me at all to learn and use in my
life. Now others might be different! I think it is a choice! That is
in the age group I said if you in that age group find you don't really
need it! If you do then by all means learn it! I think for school age
children and people going to collage it is a must! So this is where I
am at and no one is going to make me change my mind on learning Brail as
I
just don't need it as of now in my life!JMO!



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons [mailto:akp@samobile.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 7:12 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Why should one learn Braille?

Hi all,

Matt, you have two spurious arguments here. Let me explain.

First, you assume that if one is fifty years old or older, you will be
sitting around the house and doing nothing. There are two schools of
thought on this issue. The one you are promoting says that if you go
blind, all you can do is sit around in your house and read audio books
and do nothing. After all, you are a poor, sad sack and you have
nothing to look forward to in the say fifty years you have to live.
This is self serving and leads to depression and to learned dependence.

The second school of thought is that even though you have lost your
sight, it is still your task in life to be a part of it, to
participate, to work or to volunteer or to love your family and to
help them as much as you can, to laugh, to enjoy going out to plays
and concerts and to continue your life, living it to the best of your
ability. It has been proven that those who give up, who are told
again and again they aren't needed, will and do die sooner! To be
needed is to have a reason for living!

Now, if you espouse the second idea, you're gonna need at least
uncontracted Braille to make your life easier. It's hard to learn,
you say. So is French or Ham Radio or to play bridge or to be a
lawyer or a doctor. Being a parent is hard. Being a grandparent is
hard.
sometimes living is hard. "I never promised you a rose garden."
Anything worth having is hard to attain. So? Learning Braille is a
skill which will help you and make your life easier. It could spell
the difference between being a home body and being a part-time employee
or a volunteer. I have four students who have spent most of a year
learning Braille, Matt, two of them are in their sixties. Is it easy
for them, no, but they persist. They continue because they see the
benefits it can bring.

I repeat, unless you have a mental disability or neropathy in your
fingers, you have no business not learning Braille.

Ann P.

Original message:
I did agree there is a lot of blind people that went blind late in
life and why should they go to the trouble to learn another written
language. There is lot of reason not to learn brail if you lose your
site
way later in life!
It is not that easy to learn that stuff brail.
Now if you was born blind or you went blind early in life or you are
going to some kind of higher education or something like that then
yes. But if you are say in your 50's or later in life when you go
blind and you are mostly sitting around the house and would not use
it but once in a blue moon then No! Why should you put yourself thru
all that aggravation and torment to learn something you would hardly
ever use . That is like learning to write and read a different
language! No I
don't agree you should! JMO!



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons [mailto:akp@samobile.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 11:37 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to
the world population Hi all, Now, unless you have a mental incapacity
or you have neropathy in your fingers, you need to learn Braille.
Then you wouldn't have to ask for
help to see what's on your grocery list. You'd be able to write it
yourself, even in uncontracted Braille you'd be able to write it for
yourself. Who says you *have* to use contracted Braille unless you
want to read Braille books? For writing notes to yourself, all you
need is a knowledge of the Braille alphabet, a slate and a stylus.
Coffee is the same word no matter if you write: 1-6 1-3-5 1-2-4
1-2-4 1-5 1-5 or: 1-4 1-2-3-5-6 1-2-4 1-5 1-5.
Ann P.
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