Re: Article: Michigan Legalizes Consumer Sales Of Self-Driving Vehicles (No Steering Wheels Or Pedals Required) #article


Carolyn Arnold
 

I'm not all that super with the thing and right now, prefer a feature phone. If there were fewer gestures, I'd like the iPhone better, but I can put in contacts, find one, move to Favorites, make a call and stuff like that. Then, Siri makes a lot of it, like reminders easy. The real reason I am using a feature phone is that with the iPhone, I can't dial 1 for whatever, where I can on the feature phone.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

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As we say in Ireland, fair play to you, and as yours might say, fair dues to you! Many folk have problems with somehow integrating the technology techniques into how they like to do things in their lives.

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I can use an iPhone too, and my daughter-in-law calls me Techy Grandma, since I text back and forth to them, while her parents (both sighted), my age, do not at all.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


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But, does this also apply to blind ‘seniors’?

Whilst it may be the case in America that ‘just about every blind person’
one knows, has a smart phone, it isn’t necessarily true in other developed countries. In Ireland, certainly a good majority do own and use smart phones. But there are those (say over 50’s) who don’t, or can’t get their heads around using them, not having the confidence or aptitude, or due to a lack of experienced fellow users in their localities. BTW, that said, I’m over 50 myself, and I have no trouble using an iPhone!

From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
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Although I don't have any statistics to support my impression, just about every blind person I know directly or am aware of owns a smart phone of some kind.

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I totally disagree with this I think there is a lot of blind people with smart phones and most don’t find them too hard to operate. Not that there is not some that would rather have a simple phone. That is their choice. You realize Uber does not have a phone number to call like taxi company. Uber is all just normal regular people doing a side job and not necessary doing this as a living. I sure there is some that is doing it full time . But it is their vehicle and their time . It not like a taxi company. Now I sure if you have a favorite Uber driver he or she might give you her or his cell phone so you could call them when you needed them. If you was a regular good paying customer.





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But Uber is already engaging in a form of discrimination because they require customers to own a smart phone in order to book a ride, and most blind folks do not own smart phones because they either cannot afford them or else find them too difficult to learn and operate.



Gerald







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Well it was not that long ago less than 8 years ago they updated the ADA.
But yes it could use some more updating. But I don’t know what the ADA would
have to do with Uber or taxies other than we have access to other. Another
words you cannot be denied to ride in one because you are blind or have your
Gide animal with you or whatever your service animal might be or might be
far.





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ADA was written decades ago, when in United States the technology today
available was science fiction.

We need to update our legal framework, technology moves faster than
representatives and senators. Look UBER, in several places they don’t know
what to do with uber. New York has been trying to handle UBER in the same
way how they handle taxi companies. NY makes money with the licenses that
the city provide to taxi drivers. Now they are losing money.

Look the bunches of holes in ADA related with the online education. That law
is written when the only way to take classes was in a class room. Like this,
are many other examples.









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I beg to differ. it did have something to do with ADA as I was not being
allowed to have it in my name because I was blind. no other reason
whatsoever but blindness. it was simple enough to challenge and remind the
state that I have every legal right to own a vehicle.





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Well that is true and this really owning a vehicle in your name has nothing
to do with ADA at all. Only if you are driving one . In the case of being
blind we are not allowed to drive one as of now. Now other disabilities is
different. Say like people in a wheel chair or people with hearing loss and
so on. They can drive cars as long as they can see and it can be adapted to
be driven safe. This is where the complete automatic car comes in with no
steering wheel or peddles to us as this would not matter then if you could
see or not. As you would never have any kind of control over the vehicle.
But ones with steering wheels and peddles and an override button would be
different as this would allow you to disengage the automatic function and
this would be a bad thing for us. Unless this was somehow was able to tell
if you was a seeing person or not and then lock you out of that function. I
assume maybe they would have it so you put in your DL if visual and if not
then you would skip this step and you would be locked out of taking over.





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that was what I had to remind them of. the ADA and it does not matter if I
own it as long as I do not drive it.



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Well they cannot as far as I know in any state stop you from owning a
vehicle. This would be demonstrating against us. You should be able to be
the only one on the title. If they tell you different I think they would be
wrong. But I sure each state has their own laws about this. Here in Florida
it is no problem to be the only one on the title as long as you have a
desnated driver and insurance. Now a DL is a total different thing.





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several years ago I had to fight to have only my name on the title. I did
win that fight.



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Yes you can hear in Florida as well and most all states . there is a
different in owning one and driving it or having control of it in the car.
You can own one but you cannot drive one!





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I doubt I’ll run out and get one anyway, but sure would be interested in it.

I am going to guess they are going to be out of a lot of our price ranges.

I do know that in Washington blind people can own a vehicle. I do. lol



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I don't really have a good idea about cost, but based on most of the
articles I have read, this capability should not significantly impact the
cost since they are using existing off the shelf technology as much as
possible.

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I am in rural Washington and think it would be more accepted in rural areas
way before urban areas. I know a lot of the smaller towns already allow ATV’s
to use the town streets. I could do so much right here in town I could care
less if I ever was able to use it to get to another state or town.

any word of cost?





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Well yes I think that the more liberal (blue ) states and then the mix
(purple ) states will come on board first. I think most of the conservative
states (red ) states will be the later states to come on board. But while
this is all nice I also think this will be in the more heavy populated area
that you see them and then they will at some point spread on out.

Now this being said it will I think still be a long time before I think a
blind person will be allowed to have a driver licensing to drive one of
these cars. The nice thing about it no steering wheel means no one can drive
it. So with that the ones with no steering wheel I think we will come closer
to being able to have one and ride in it by our self. I think it will be
different for those that have a steering wheel.

The one that is completely and totally automatic with no steering wheel I
see no reason to deny us.

But the thing is this is for this state . So it might be legal for Michigan
it will not be legal for other states . so then you will not be able to
drive across state line. This is good start but till it becomes a national
law to have and drive these in all states it would be a burden for some.

Now like me more than likely I would never leave my state so it would be
fine. But I think Florida is going to be on the later end of this. As they
are a very red state. But maybe not they might get on board as a safety
issue. I just hope I not too dam old when it comes a national thing to be
able to own and have a total automatic car that you can drive anywhere in
the USA. I would be happy to have it like just my state legal to buy own and
use one in my state. Since it would be total automatic with no steering
wheel or peddles then I cannot see them denying us over our seeing partners
as neither one would have any more control then the other. JST!





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oh wow. this article did bring up something I never thought about: the
misbehaving passengers. what will people do when there is no driver?

has anyone ever heard a price on the low end no driver cars?





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And the progress continues.

https://cleantechnica.com/2016/12/10/michigan-legalizes-consumer-sales-self-driving-vehicles-no-steering-wheels-pedals-required/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IM-cleantechnica+%28CleanTechnica%29

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