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with my tablet and its physical keyboard, the anser is yes yes
yes! web browsing with talkback is just as good as it is on
windows with jaws. I can navigate by headings, heading level,
tables, all kinds of form controls and much more. its excellent!
talkback is like jaws for android and its free!
On 4/26/2017 12:44 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't use mobile devices,
either Android or Apple. I am skeptical of your amount of
praise but if you and others present good arguments and
information, I'm willing to change my mind. I'll deal with my
questions and skepticism below.
You say that surfing can be done
satisfactorily. In my view, if such abilities as are provided
by quick navigation commands in Windows screen-readers are
available in Talk Back, move by heading, skip blocks of links,
move to the next button, etc. then that would be roughly
equivalent, depending on exactly on how and what is
available. If such commands are not present, Talk Back would
be significantly inferior for browsing.
I don't know how Dave intends to
use whatever device he is interested in but it appears to me
that you are not defining what you are discussing in terms of
your use enough to be meaningful in a comparison and are
discussing what you do in terms of reducing reliance on
Windows without addressing any specifics of use.
Given the lack of awareness and concern for accessibility
among developers, it's hard to believe that apps are generally
more likely to be accessible than Windows programs in terms of
the percent of accessible apps. I don't know that and I don't
use such devices, as I said, but such effusive praise causes
me to be skeptical. I'm willing to be convinced but remember
when Apple engaged in effusive praise of how its screen-reader
would make things accessible? it was the same kind of
statement, if developers follow Apple guidelines. That's a
big "if." You will understand, I hope, my skepticism of such
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Android Accessibility Good
Bad, or In between?
Grumpy Dave, I will not personally compare smartphone screen
those on Windows. Why so? The Windows screen readers have been
ages and, in my mind, the environment in which they operate are
not the same
as those of a smartphone or tablet.
Talkback is the main screen reader on the Android platform;
isn't the only one! ShinePlus is a huge contender; Amazon and
have their own screen readers on Android too. Talkback comes
on most Android devices, but if it isn't, it's not hard to install
from the Playstore.
If you currently have an iPhone and love it, stick and keep
running with it;
if Windows has always ROCKED THE BOAT for you, get a Windows
at least, the learning curve will not be too steep. If, on the
you enjoy venturing into territories hitherto unexplored, let
If an app DOES NOT produce desired results on an Android device,
that, in my
view, has absolutely nothing to do iwth Talkback! The app may be
written by its developer as is the case with some Windows apps.
developer follows Google's guidelines on accessibility and
its apps' buttons and such, there's no reason why you can't access
In my mobile universe, Android rules! For this reason, I've begun
move all business related tools that I use daily over to the
platform. For one thing, I don't have to worry about costly SMA's
screen reader upgrades, no need to pay a scripter to have a
scripted for accessibility only to find out that I can only GAIN
accessibility to the scripted app, and, I have better interactions
developers in that I can help them understand what needs to be
done to make
their apps more accessible to all. Within the next 9 months or
less, I am
hoping to CUT my dependency on Windows to about 5% when Android
95% of all that I do on a daily basis.
"how accessible are the various features and Apps in an Android
Whilst some Android devices come with baked in apps, you are NEVER
to use any of them! You can look around on the Playstore and find
work better for you, buy them for a small price, or, some of them
be free. I have a Samsung phone; I don't use any of the apps that
preloaded on my phone. I have disabled all of these preloaded
apps and, my
phone continues to function as expected with no issues of any
For me, Talkback is not only intuitively responsive, but most
getting better with each new release. What's more, it is actively
and released independently of the operating system. Microsoft
Office can be used on an Android device! There are several
that are accessible, when you are ready for the plunge, several of
this space will be extremely glad to share the names of a few.
There are NO
problems with E-mail or web surfing, these can be done in Android
Talkback is NOT sleepy at the wheels! An Android device connected
computer is like another hard drive; so, moving files between the
NOT require or call for the installation of any additional app.
I am NOT SO CERTAIN I addressed your concerns satisfactorily.
the best of my ability, I shall be willing to answer other
you may have.