Re: Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>

bit late on this, but since NVDA is community driven, who would be paid? everyone? the developers? if the developers, don't you think someone from the community would take it over? I think they will try to take it on, but I don't think they'll have much success, because of it's licensing and community.

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On 15/05/17 9:06 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

Oh come on , Carlos. If you developed a free, open source program out
of the goodness of your heart just to benefit your fellow blind computer
users, and a large company came along and offered you a few million
dollars for it, I don’t believe for a second that you would turn your
back and walk away from the deal, unless you happen to be independently
wealthy. .


*From:* Carlos <>
*Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 3:37 PM
*To:* <>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

I think it is unfortunate that you are so cynical. Despite belief to
the contrary, not everyone in the world has a price.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <>
*To:* <>
*Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 3:27 PM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

Don’t kid yourself. If the developers of NVDA were offered a few
million dollars from VFO for the exclusive licensing rights, they
would sell out in a heartbeat. They wouldn’t give a second thought
to betraying their users if they could become wealthy overnight and
live a more prosperous lifestyle. It’s just human nature.
Idealism is all well and good, but the reality is that it doesn’t
pay the bills, and nobody in his right mind would scoff at the
opportunity to become an instant millionaire.


*From:* Gene <>
*Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 3:00 PM
*To:* <>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

I didn't address the purchase comments in the message. The NVDA
developers are not going to sel to FS. You don't go through all the
work and accept minimum wage payments for years when you could get a
lot of money working for a tech company to sell NVDA and betray all
those who are benefiting from it, especially those who couldn't
begin to afford JAWS. Are you aware of the work and sacrifice put
into the project by the developers, especially the main developer?

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Joseph Lee <>
*Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 1:24 PM
*To:* <>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.


For NVDA developers, philosophy and licensing plays a big part in
decisions like this. Before VFO acquires NVDA code, they need to
think about licensing and what not, and I expect huge outcry from
people who would express similar sentiments like the ones posted below.

P.S. I expect this news to be a hot topic during NVDACon 2017…



*From:* <>
[] *On Behalf Of *Gerald Levy
*Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 11:18 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

This is all well and good. But what’s to prevent VFO from going
after NVDA? They apparently have deep pocket, so what’s to prevent
them from making the developers of NVDA an attractive financial
offer they simply couldn’t refuse?? Money talks, and it is not
beyond the realm of possibility that the developers of NVDA would
sell out to VFO for the right price. And once VFO acquired NVDA,
they could phase it out just like with Window Eyes, and force its
users to migrate to JAWS. VFO would then have a virtual monopoly in
the commercial screen reader market, and blind consumers would be
stuck between a rock and a hard place. But what about System Access,
you say? Well, System Access has never really been a serious player
in the commercial screen readermarket anyway, and Serotek has never
really recovered from the loss of Mike Calvo and all those other
techies who abruptly resigned from the company.


*From:*Gene <>

*Sent:*Monday, May 15, 2017 1:37 PM

*To:* <>

*Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

They didn't get the last laugh. NVDA will meet a lot of peoples'
needs just as well as Window-eyes. They will have to learn a new
screen-reader but they will if they switch to JAWS as well. And a
lot of people are already leaving JAWS to use NVDA. Many free
Window-eyes users, perhaps most, will do the same.


---- Original Message -----

*From:*Gerald Levy <>

*Sent:*Monday, May 15, 2017 12:06 PM

*To:* <>

*Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

A lot of JAWS users, fed up with the expense of upgrading their
SMA’s every year, switched to the free version of Window Eyes,
hoping to stick it to Freedom Scientific. But VFO, FS’s parent
company ultimately got the last laugh, because all those free Window
Eyes users will now either have to pay big time to Switch back to
JAWS 18 or else switch to NVDA. And whatever happened to System
Access? Does anyone still use it? You don’t hear much about it


*From:*Carlos <>

*Sent:*Monday, May 15, 2017 11:22 AM

*To:* <>

*Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.

At least they're offering the conversion to JAWS 18 for free.
Although this is not going to help those who are using the free
Office edition.

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Armando Maldonado <>

*To:* <>

*Sent:*Monday, May 15, 2017 11:14 AM

*Subject:*[TechTalk] Very sad news for Window-Eyes Users.


For those who use window-eyes as a screen reader, I have
something to share. This was an official announcement I received
via email.
"Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and
Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in
the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to
end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to
use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function
adequately for
your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are
offering JAWS®
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if
you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete
a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then
contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional
information if

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at or by phone at
by July 31, 2017.

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office
version is
not part of the conversion program.

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or
email us at"



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