----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:33
AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu
structure for new versions of office
I always like to see people discouraging blind
people from developing into more competent and confident computer users just
because they don't like a feature. I already sent an article to the
list, did you read it, which explains that the JAWS Virtual ribbons are not as
good an interface as ribbons and explains why in specific detail with an
example or two. If you don't like ribbons, fine. If you want to
discuss what you don't like about them, fine. That's different from
actively discouraging people from trying something new and from learning the
feature. And that's different from attacking those who encourage trying
things you don't like and impuning their motives.
Actively discouraging others from learning them
is not a good idea.
And we all know who you are insulting with your
description of me as high and mighty. Another ad hominem attack, which I
discussed your propensity for yesterday. I am not advocating that people
use or at least try using ribbons out of what you term a high and mighty
attitude. I'm doing so because the real ribbons had certain advantages,
if you use the JAWS virtual ribbons you are becoming dependent on JAWS and if
you want to switch or consider switching to another screen-reader, you will be
less likely to do so, and because if you don't try new things, you may not be
as competent and confident a computer user in general. I just love
people who actively discourage others from learning and trying new things,
especially those who discourage blind computer users from doing so. Many
blind people don't have the confidence it would be good if they had as blind
computer users. Trying new things may increase that confidence.
You never answered the specific objections to ribbons in the article I linked
to on the subject about a week ago. You never said, I tried this
objection to see if it is right and it is or it isn't. You never
explained why the author's objections and mine to discouraging the use of real
ribbons is incorrect.
And your attack completely backfired. I
wasn't going to comment on this thread at all but your insults caused me to
decide to do so. I wasn't going to comment because I had discussed
everything I had to say about ribbons when the subject came up about a
week ago and I saw no reason to repeat what I had said. But of course,
without even waiting to see if I wrote anything in the thread, you just had to
both attack me and actively discourage learning and trying something
new.
Gene
----- Original Messsage -----
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of
office
You can restore the familiar classic menu structure by
enabling the JAWS
virtual ribbon feature. To do this, launch the JAWS Help
menu, and scroll
down to the Start-Up wizard. On the third page of
the Start Up wizard,
check the box to enable virtual ribbons and click on
the Okay button. The
menus in Outlook will now appear like the
classic menus you are familiar
with. And don't let anyone discourage
you from trying this feature because
of their high and mighty attitude
that it is better to learn how to navigate
the ribbon menus than sticking
with what you are comfortable with.
Gerald
-----Original
Message-----
From: Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017
10:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject:
Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office
They don't
have to be free.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Robert Kingett
Sent:
Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject:
Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office
I do not
know any free ones, sorry!
--
Robert Kingett, journalist. View
my website
below.<p></p><p><br></p><p>[view
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