----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:33
AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu
structure for new versions of office
I always like to see people discouraging blind
people from developing into more competent and confident computer users just
because they don't like a feature. I already sent an article to the
list, did you read it, which explains that the JAWS Virtual ribbons are not
as good an interface as ribbons and explains why in specific detail with an
example or two. If you don't like ribbons, fine. If you want to
discuss what you don't like about them, fine. That's different from
actively discouraging people from trying something new and from learning the
feature. And that's different from attacking those who encourage
trying things you don't like and impuning their motives.
Actively discouraging others from learning them
is not a good idea.
And we all know who you are insulting with
your description of me as high and mighty. Another ad hominem attack,
which I discussed your propensity for yesterday. I am not advocating
that people use or at least try using ribbons out of what you term a high
and mighty attitude. I'm doing so because the real ribbons had certain
advantages, if you use the JAWS virtual ribbons you are becoming dependent
on JAWS and if you want to switch or consider switching to another
screen-reader, you will be less likely to do so, and because if you don't
try new things, you may not be as competent and confident a computer user in
general. I just love people who actively discourage others from
learning and trying new things, especially those who discourage blind
computer users from doing so. Many blind people don't have the
confidence it would be good if they had as blind computer users.
Trying new things may increase that confidence. You never answered the
specific objections to ribbons in the article I linked to on the subject
about a week ago. You never said, I tried this objection to see if it
is right and it is or it isn't. You never explained why the author's
objections and mine to discouraging the use of real ribbons is
incorrect.
And your attack completely backfired. I
wasn't going to comment on this thread at all but your insults caused me to
decide to do so. I wasn't going to comment because I had discussed
everything I had to say about ribbons when the subject came up about a
week ago and I saw no reason to repeat what I had said. But of course,
without even waiting to see if I wrote anything in the thread, you just had
to both attack me and actively discourage learning and trying something
new.
Gene
----- Original Messsage -----
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of
office
You can restore the familiar classic menu structure by
enabling the JAWS
virtual ribbon feature. To do this, launch the JAWS
Help menu, and scroll
down to the Start-Up wizard. On the third
page of the Start Up wizard,
check the box to enable virtual ribbons and
click on the Okay button. The
menus in Outlook will now appear
like the classic menus you are familiar
with. And don't let anyone
discourage you from trying this feature because
of their high and mighty
attitude that it is better to learn how to navigate
the ribbon menus
than sticking with what you are comfortable
with.
Gerald
-----Original Message-----
From:
Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject:
Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office
They
don't have to be free.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Robert Kingett
Sent:
Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject:
Re: [TechTalk] old menu structure for new versions of office
I do not
know any free ones, sorry!
--
Robert Kingett, journalist. View
my website
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