-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:37 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] PC Sometimes Won't Shut DownCompletely

Hi Gene,
Yes, I think that the problem could be other thing, because on the
screen just appears a dialog saying shutting down, is not buttons, or
any thing to click. Jaws is not working in this point, and it is
something that some times happen, my wife is who has seen this issues.
I have no idea what could be the problem, but it just happen 2 times,
the bad part of the story is that I have only around 1 week with this
dell venue 11 pro tablet.


On 10/28/15, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

Did you see the previous messages in the thread about one command that will
force a shutdown in some cases? this thread raises the question of how to
know that a computer has shut down in the first place. If the four hours of
unnecessary running had occurred on battery power it could be a real
problem. In a computer with a cd drive, it's easy enough to check to see if
a computer has shut down but what about the computers that don't have one
and are also very quiet such as a laptop may be or a tablet?

Gene


From: Pablo Morales
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:54 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] PC Sometimes Won't Shut DownCompletely


So what is the solution in those cases?

I have seen situations like that in my tablet, I shut it down, and after 4
hours, my wife finds my tablet saying, shutting down.

Tx


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 12:17 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] PC Sometimes Won't Shut DownCompletely



It is not that there are programs running after Windows shuts down. The
point is that when a process/application hangs in memory and will not close,
Windows is not able to complete the shutdown procedure. Windows may
successfully close down most applications including your screen reader, but
a single application which will not close can halt the shutdown process.
Even Alt F will not always work in such cases.

----- Original Message -----

From: Pamela Dominguez

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 11:58 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] PC Sometimes Won't Shut DownCompletely



What programs would still be running after windows shuts down? Because
that’s what we have talked about: windows and the screenreader both shutting
down, but the computer still running. Pam.



From: Gene

Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 4:17 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] PC Sometimes Won't Shut DownCompletely



No. Pressing and holding the power button simply turns off power to the
computer. The forced shutdown command will try to force programs to close
and then shut down windows in a proper shutdown. Holding the power button
causes an improper shutdown.



I haven't used the forced shutdown command but I'm explaining what a
forced shutdown is and what the command should do by definition.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 3:14 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] PC Sometimes Won't Shut DownCompletely





Is pressing Alt-F to force a shut down the same as pressing and holding
the power button?



Gerald







From: George McCoy

Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 3:19 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] PC Sometimes Won't Shut DownCompletely



Sometimes, a program does not shut down thus hanging the whole shutdown
process. That program is rarely the screen reader. So, the screen reader
shuts down and then a message appears saying that windows is waiting on one
or more background programs to close. We don’t get the message because the
screen reader has already shut down. There is a button in that dialog
labeled force shutdown. The accelerator key for that button is alt f.

If you have waited a decent interval, say, a minute or minute and a half
and the computer has not shut down, try pressing alt f to force an
unresponsive program or process to shut down. It doesn’t always work but it
does work a surprisingly large number of times.



Hth,

George



From: Pamela Dominguez

Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 9:44 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] PC Sometimes Won't Shut DownCompletely



I can’t explain it, but I can tell you that this has happened to both my
desktop computers I have had that had versions of windows on them. I
mention that because my other desktop that had dos on it didn’t have a way
to shut it off automatically like that. I had to flip a switch. But both
computers that had shut off as a part of the shut down, it sometimes does
that, where it exits windows and just sits there on. Occasionally, I have
walked away and not paid attention, assuming that it has shut all the way
off, and come back later, only to find out that it is still on. Hopefully,
somebody can enlighten us both. Pam.



From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 6:35 AM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] PC Sometimes Won't Shut DownCompletely





Most of the time, when I press Alt-F4 from the desktop of my Windows 7 PC
and click okay on the shut down option, it will exit Windows and shut down
normally and the power will shut off. But once in a while, when I click on
okay for the shut down option, I hear the exit Windows sound, but the power
does not shut off. The internal cooling fan continues to run, and the tray
for the DVD/CD drive opens and closes when I press the eject button, which
means that although the PC has exited Windows, the power remains on. When
this happens, I have to press and hold the power button on the front panel
for a few seconds to insure that the PC completely shuts down and the power
shuts off. Can anyone explain why my PC will occasionally refuse to shut
down completely when I activate the shut down option? Thanks.



Gerald