You would likely save the large recording file onto the
mechanical drive, not the SSD. And it absolutely does not call
into question the use of one. An SSD allows programs to install,
run and function alot faster, and enables multitasking on a
machine through high iops values.
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On 12/1/2019 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:
You would think caching would be
turned off when Windows detects an SSD drive, but I don't know
if that is practical, not being a tech or programmer. But if
someone is working with sound and video editing and using
large files such as wave files which they edit and then
convert to another format, your comments appear to imply that
that is not a good use of an SSD, which in my opinion, calls
into question the whole point of having one. I'm not saying
anything definite, I don't have the technical knowledge. But
that appears to be the implication of your comments. It is
common, for example, to edit a recording, let's say an hour or
an hour and one-half in an uncompressed format, then save it
in a compressed format.
Gene
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Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
Theoretically a drive has enough cycles that use isn't a
problem normally. But conversion of large files, and caching, in
which ram is faster, use alot of SSD write cycles, esspecially
with the ware leveling algorithms
On 12/1/2019 4:48 AM, Gene wrote:
So one of the very purposes for
which a lot of people would want one, you say is harmful to
it. From what I've read, there are so many read/write
cycles on an SSD that you don't have to worry about running
out, even under heavy use.
Gene
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
Your suggested use is harmful to the SSD. Converting files on
the SSD would use alot of its write cycles, and ware out the
drive.
On 11/30/2019 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:
That isn't the point. Your
estimated use of time is much greater than it actually
would be.
I simply don't care if a
cached program opens in two seconds and if it opens in
half a second using an SSD. If I were converting large
audio files on a regular basis and I could save one or two
or three minutes per file, that would really mean
something. Opening programs a little faster is
insignificant.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
With an SSD, caching is irrelevent, and programs open at
lightning speed, under a second.
On 11/30/2019 11:41 AM, Gene
wrote:
Also, I don't know what you
are defining as a session. if you let your computer run
constantly and only reboot once a week, then a session
is a week. I doubt you are considering a session as
being anywhere near that long but it is important to
define terms when discussing anything where such
definitions can't be assumed. One hundred seconds over
a long session hardly matters. In one day, depending on
how pressed you are for time, it may matter a little.
Also, there is caching. I
don't know how long something tends to be cached. The
first time I open Firefox in a session, it takes a long
time, perhaps about twelve seconds. If I close and open
it again, it takes about three. Chrome takes roughly
six or eight seconds the first time on my Windows 7
machine, I also used that machine for the Firefox
estimated time. When I open Chrome immediately after
closing it, it takes about one second.
So depending on how long
cache information is kept, your opening figure times may
be way off.
Gene
----- Original Message
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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch
firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra
seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost
productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.
On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene
wrote:
I didn't say that. I
said that for many people, it won't make enough
difference that they may care. I don't. If I write
an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it. The
amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't
matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it
would likely have already been opened for the day or a
good part of it,. The same with a document. If I'm
working on a document, writing and editing and doing
other possible work will take up most or almost all of
the time. Whether Word opens in one second or three
or four, who cares? Streaming, what difference does
it make if the stream starts to play in one second or
three? If I read an article online that takes two
minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second
or three or four?
Someone who converts a
lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD
drive. Others who do disk intensive activities might
want one. For a lot of users, I really doubt it
matters enough to them to switch their current
computers.
At this point, I haven't
kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth
getting one in a new computer. The way I use a
computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars
or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's
what I would do. But not having checked prices, I
don't know how much added price may be involved.
Gene
----- Original Message
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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
wern't you the person suggesting that many people
couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?
On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene
wrote:
If you spend money fopr
a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a
technical definition because something new and
faster is out. Most people don't people aren't
going to be affected by whether a processor is a
little slower por not. they are not gamers, they
don't run programs that require the kind of speed
where a processor that is somewhat slower than the
fastest in the moderate price range matters, and
they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars
even if money isn't particularly tight. Many people
spend more money than they need to be3cause they
don't know how to determine what they need based on
their use and how they anticipate using their
computer in future. Many people have computers that
are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly
happy with thir technically out of date machines
that are plenty fast for them. and if they really
do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed
by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all
necessarily, by adding more memory. Word
processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses
don't require gaming or near gaming speed
processors.
Gene
----- Original M3essage
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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44
AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on
the provided model are out of date, and unles they have
major financial troubles, most people will want an
up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the
machine is practically aged even before you open the
box. An older processor machine will likely need to be
replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not
be able to handdle applications earlier than a more
current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene
wrote:
If the typical buyer
wants to spend more money to future proof
something they will probably find satisfactory for
years, until they want to replace the computer
because of age or newer features, that's their
choice, but most users don't need to worry when
they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless
they dramatically change how they use computers.
Also, in your last
message, you said you weren't most users. I
didn't say nor imply that you are. But saying
something is out of date with no explanation may
lead some or many people to think that it isn't
something they should consider when they might
very well find it very satisfactory.
I'm saying that such
commments about outdatedness and future proofing
should be put in context. Not doing so may cause
many people to think or wonder if they should
spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they
need to.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model
of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an
issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with
iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM,
James Bentley wrote:
Unless the buyer needs a gaming
laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t
believe this laptop is too slow.
I love the way that I can run a
virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have
half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have
Outlook and HJPad all open.
I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but
I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using
moderate compression in about 20 minutes with
USB 2, while still going through email in
Outlook.
James B
Outdated
for what or in what way? Do you mean that
it isn't as fast as newer ones? I would
expect that is of no consequence for a user
who doesn't use very resource intensive
programs, in other words, for the majority
of users.
A top
of the line computer is technically outdated
within months of purchase if, for some
reason, you need or want the absolutely
newest and most powerful technology.
-----
Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24,
2019 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New
Laptop
That is a nice unit, especially because of the
ethernet port and number pad. The processor is
outdated now, but when I replace my five year
old laptop next year or so, I want something
like this probably, though I would go for an I7
if it was available.
On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM,
James Bentley wrote:
Hi Amy,
I recently bought an
Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon. It
is very slim and really feels comfortable to
hold in my hands. It is extremely fast and it
has a number pad. I like it better than any
laptop that I have ever owned. This is my
fifth laptop in about 4 years. Its battery
life for me is over 11 hours. Note, I have my
screen resolution turned down pretty low
because I do not need to see the screen. It
does not have a DVD reader/burner. It also
does not have an SD card reader. I have an
external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD
card reader. I haven’t needed either in over
2 years.
Maybe there will be some
sale prices next week. I can’t say for
sure. For right now, the price is $509, plus
state sales tax with free delivery.
Here are a few details
along with an Amazon link.
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D
Product description
Style:
Notebook only
Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ
comes with these high level specs: 8th
Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor
1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to
3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home,
15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen
LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics
620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD,
True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo
Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology
with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi
featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band
2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit
Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2,
Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader
supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x
720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to
5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with
Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 -
HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion
Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97
lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only)
(NX.HG5AA.001)
-----Original
Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
Sorry I plan to carry it
some but wont be all the time or anything so
not really worried about
how light it is but I do want a number pad
definately. One that
has long battery life as possable as well.
Thanks
On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote:
> You don't need a
powerful computer. But you haven't said
anything about
> things like if you
want a lighter computer or a heavier one. are
you going
> to carry it around
much or don't you plan to carry it enough so
size and
> weight matter
much. Do you want a model with a numpad or
don't you care
> about that?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original
Message -----
>
> From: Amy Gordon
> Sent: Friday,
November 22, 2019 1:32 PM
> To: TechTalk
> Subject: [TechTalk]
New Laptop
>
>
> Hi all I currently
have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble
with
> ever since I bought
it about 5 years ago. It is getting worse so
I
> know there will be
sales coming soon. I currently use Jaws on my
> computer and mostly
use it for internet tasks like email, taking
> surveys, facebook
etc. Was wondering what suggestions you have
for a
> new laptop as far
as specs and best place to buy from? Thanks
> Amy
>
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