Re: Freedom Scientific Vs. NvAccess


Here's an article about Apple's accessibility.


On 11/19/15, Matt <> wrote:
Well, I think when it comes too government and other business if they know
and this is where the problem comes in is they don't know they really don't
know enough about the blind world.
But if they did know especially business they would say well just use NVDA
or Windows eyes since I have office 2010 or higher and this is free and we
don't have to government use tax payer $s to make it accessible to you. And
business would say plain out no you use either NVDA or windows Eyes and
Windows eyes if they have office 2010 and above.
Now would this be the right thing to do? Well Maybe or Maybe not! I think
if they did this and stop forking out money to FS then the market would
FS come down on Prices.
Now understand Jaws is the flagship screen reader out there that all screen
readers strive to be like. Then I think 2nd place is NVDA and bumping very
close to 1st place. Then Windows Eyes. But who knows in a decade all might

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold []
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

I would be guessing that NVDA might not be in the bidding for government
business? It would seem they'd be the lowest bidder.

Bye for now,


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hallsworth []
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

Hi I donate $AUS10 monthly to show my support for NVDA.
On 19 Nov 2015, at 04:26, Victor <> wrote:

Hi all:

I agree that more people should donate to NVDA. Every little bit

I definitely believe that Freedom Scientific is at least a little
greedy. My Vocational Rehabilitation agency bought JAWS 11 for me
just a month before JAWS 12 was released. I developed a kind of
friendship with one of the sales representatives at Freedom
Scientific. He told me he was surprised that the company didn't just
sell my VR agency JAWS 12 since the release was only a month away. If
I heard him right, the employees at Freedom Scientific don't even get
a discount on company's products. Even they have to pay full price if
they want their products for personal use.

Go with NVDA or, install Linux or buy a Mac. That's my advice. I
love JAWS, but it's very expensive.

VictorOn 11/18/15, Ron Canazzi <> wrote:
Hi Group,

Of course there is truth in what Gene says, which is why everyone
using NVDA should at least try to make a small contribution every
year. Even
10 or 20 dollars a year from each user (at last report there are
several hundred thousand users worldwide) would bring in an
additional 20 or 30 million dollars. I know many blind people
(myself included) don't have a huge amount of money, but even 10 or
20 dollars yearly helps a little bit.

On 11/18/2015 10:33 PM, Gene wrote:
Screen-readers you pay for are expensive because the customer base
is so small. If it were a large customer base, they would cost what
you would expect complex programs to sell for in the general market.
As far as NVDA goes, NVDA gets grants from various companies and
donations from users.
But one of the main reasons NVDA is free is because the main
developer doesn't pay himself anywhere near what he would earn if he
worked for an employer. I've seen it stated on the NVDA users' list
that he pays himself somewhere around minimum wage. So one way or
another, the price is high. It's just that when it comes to NVDA,
you don't see the price.
But those who work on NVDA for pay and those who do so as volunteers
pay the price one way or another, in low wages or in donating time.
People love to castigate companies that charge for such products.
It doesn't seem to bother them that NVDA is free because people pay
the price voluntarily. That's there choice but it shouldn't be the
case, as a matter of principle, that the people who work for pay on
NVDA are paid so little.

----- Original Message -----

From: Armando Vias
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 8:36 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

Hi. I really like NvAccess. They have a fre screen reader. You
can update the screen reader to the latest version for free. On the
other hand, why does FreedomScientific make blind people to pay
thousands of dollars on JAWS? It is so high and so expensive.
I still like Freedom Scientific, but I wish JAWS was free.

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