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This is another example of selective bias. I
have never heard you, Gerald, say that people shouldn't use or purchase used
Braille 'N Speaks because the battery pack is not user replaceable. its
only IPhones that you make such specious arguments about such as that a phone,
which obviously had its battery installed in a defective way, had this
problem. Most people don't have this problem. You are taking a low
or very low probability event and building a straw man using it. It
happened to one person, therefore it is a serious problem.
You'd better not do much of anything because you
can build the same sort of argument about almost anything. Don't ever walk
up and down stairs, what about the man who ...
Don't ever take an elevator. What about the
elevator that ...
Don't ever eat solid food. What about the man
who choked to death because he was alone and ...
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Yes, my friend has an older
I phone, an s e I think.
battery died and he had to take it to a chop to have it
Even if you have a cell
phone, new or old, you will have to go to a phone store to get a new
Well a good oderbox case
would help to prevent that and keeping your phone pertected also helps. yes from
what I know the battery is not accessible and I think it is not able to be
accesed by the avrige person. Fromo Mich.
And why do you guys insist on evading my question? Don't sit there and
tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone. Something as simple
as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working. My
understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible. A
sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard
of his car. He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination,
he discovered that the screen was blank. He wound up taking the phone to a
phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the
battery had been jostled loose. And blind pedestrians bump into things all
the time. It's just one of the hazards of being blined. So don't
tell me that things like this can never happen.
On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote:
Why do you insist on
deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says?
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible
for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes
like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest
IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you
locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge
Yes, but once you
learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused
- Speech being
muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
- Voice over
being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or
pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or
above, press the power button 3 times.
- Voice over
volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up
on the volume button.
It’s like any other
technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when
the device is new to you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no
speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without
sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first
place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems
that could cause loss of speech.
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge
ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone
since 2009. Give it a try.
Gerald, I can assure you
that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion
that I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020, at
15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...>
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are
completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all,
but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate
around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to
use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help.
Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and
Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing
about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new
Samsung smart flip phone.
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene
statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen
on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few
buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the
I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen
enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination
doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the
screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm
not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other
comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an
I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?
state the worst case interpretation of
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February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone
employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and
flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in
tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it,
especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would
probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even
unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile
buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones:
eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for
a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot
of hands-on training.
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B
about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I
think they said that Samsung was the company producing
it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it
sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn
well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below
for a review.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my
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Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his
old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV
advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same
body style as a feature flip phone but with the
a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier,