locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Peter Spitz

If the motherboard on my computer goes out, no amount of tapping on
the keyboard is going to fix it. Likewise, if the chip on in iPhone
craps out, the lack of a keyboard will be of no difference. That's
not comparing apples to oranges, it's just a simple fact. And for the
record, I am totally blind - both my eyes are prosthetics - and use
my iPhone just as easily as I use my Dell laptop with few exceptions.

On 2/21/20, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

The difference is that a computer has a tactile keyboard. A smart phone
doesn't, which makes it more difficult for a blind consumer to resolve a
problem without sighted help. Don't mix Apples with oraanges. (pun


On 2/21/2020 8:41 AM, Gene wrote:
He is not saying that. Your computer's mother board can develop a
problem and the computer won't function at all. I don't see you
begging the question about your computer or implying that you
shouldn't use a computer. Sooner or later, it all comes down to this,
no matter how often you discuss such topics and ask such questions,
after a point, you are simply begging the question and setting up
straw men because you are irremediably biased against smart phones.
Your questions in the beginning of such discussions may serve a useful
purpose because there may be people who are worried about trying such
phones and people give answers that may be reassuring. But beyond a
point, you are just indulging your antismart phone bias. No user who
knows something about computers or minicomputers, which is what smart
phones are, would say that loss of speech is impossible, A component
may fail, something may become corrupted, and that is true of any
computer or minicomputer. That is no reason not to use one. The
brakes could fail when you are in a car, but do you ride busses or
cabs? assessing risk is a risk/benefit evaluation. If the risk is
low enough and the benefitsworht the risk, people constantly do
activities with some risk. Almost any activity has at least a very
small amount of risk.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Friday, February 21, 2020 6:15 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is
impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech
that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it
not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any
kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have
no speech in the first place?


On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:

Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech
is usually caused by:

1. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
2. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn
it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of
the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
3. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a
gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much
simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.

*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On Behalf
Of *Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech?
Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you
have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No
operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could
cause loss of speech.


On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have
used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.

*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On
Behalf Of *Alex Stone via Groups.Io
*Sent:* February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
*To:* main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I
take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!

On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>> wrote:

I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones
that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really
"blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some
funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who
are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart
phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart
phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart
Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to
hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer
using the new Samsung smart flip phone.


On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on
discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart
phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the
elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I
can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough
comments on lists like this that the button's elimination
doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently,
the screen simulates the presence of a button by
vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the
situation and I await other comments but how many people
have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because
of elimination of the home button?

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.


----- Origial Message -----

*From:*Gerald Levy via Groups.Io

*Sent:*Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM


*Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip
phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it
to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like
a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile,
and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its
very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good
choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the
touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile
buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart
phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it
virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the
phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on


On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:

Hi Lisa,

I heard about a phone like you're describing just the
other day and I think they said that Samsung was the
company producing it. From the way the guy was
describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be
a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta
be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@frontier.com>

*To:*Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

*Subject:*[TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Hi, all.

My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his
old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart
flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip
phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone.
I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info
about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?



Lisa Belville

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