You don't know that. Interesting how someone
with absolutely no experience has so many opinions on something he chooses to
know nothing about from a standpoint of practical experience. Mix apples
and oranges? If your mother board fails, please explain how having a
tactile keyboard makes speech easier to obtain or how it is easier to diagnose
the probem?
If your sound card fails and you don't have a USB
sound card or a USB headset, explain the same thing. There are certain
instances where having a physical keyboard would make solving a problem
easier. But these rare instances are no reason not to use a smart
phone. And a smart phone with a keypad can certainly fail in ways that
make having the keypad useless in trying to solve the problem.
You have followed these lists long enough to know
that no matter what you use, some problems require sighted assistance and that
is no reason not to use such products. If Windows becomes corrupted and
doesn't fully boot and displays an error message, please explain to me how you
are going to read it unless you have an optacon, which very few blind people
have. Again, begging the question just to support your bias.
Gene
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
The difference is that a computer has a tactile keyboard. A smart phone
doesn't, which makes it more difficult for a blind consumer to resolve a problem
without sighted help. Don't mix Apples with oraanges. (pun intended)
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 8:41 AM, Gene wrote:
He is not saying that. Your computer's
mother board can develop a problem and the computer won't function at
all. I don't see you begging the question about your computer or
implying that you shouldn't use a computer. Sooner or later, it all
comes down to this, no matter how often you discuss such topics and ask such
questions, after a point, you are simply begging the question and setting up
straw men because you are irremediably biased against smart phones.
Your questions in the beginning of such
discussions may serve a useful purpose because there may be people who are
worried about trying such phones and people give answers that may be
reassuring. But beyond a point, you are just indulging your antismart
phone bias. No user who knows something about computers or
minicomputers, which is what smart phones are, would say that loss of speech
is impossible, A component may fail, something may become corrupted, and
that is true of any computer or minicomputer. That is no reason not to
use one. The brakes could fail when you are in a car, but do you ride
busses or cabs? assessing risk is a risk/benefit evaluation. If
the risk is low enough and the benefitsworht the risk, people constantly do
activities with some risk. Almost any activity has at least a very small
amount of risk.
Gene
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for
anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like
the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone
models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate
the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:
Yes, but once you
learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused
by:
- Speech being muted. Solved by a 3
finger double tap.
- Voice over being turned off. Solved by
either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times
quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3
times.
- Voice over volume being turned down.
Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume
button.
It’s like any other
technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when
the device is new to you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no
speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without
sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first
place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that
could cause loss of speech.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge
wrote:
That’s
ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone
since 2009. Give it a try.
Gerald, I can assure you
that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion
that I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01,
Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...>
wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are
completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but
visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a
touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a
touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why
smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision
have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the
experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip
phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene
wrote:
Your
statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen
on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few
buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the
I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen
enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination
doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the
screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not
saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other
comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an
I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?
You often
state the worst case interpretation of
situations.
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Sent: Thursday,
February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip
Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone
employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and
flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in
tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it,
especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would
probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even
unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile
buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones:
eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a
blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of
hands-on training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B
wrote:
I heard
about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think
they said that Samsung was the company producing it.
From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like
it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta
be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a
review.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my
iBarstool.
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Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday,
February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk]
New Smart Flip Phone?
Hi,
all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his
old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising
a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as
a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone
or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this.
Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand,
Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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