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Wow! Windows 98 crashed? I used it for a long time, and it was
good for me. Pam.
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
the last millennium, I think it was 1998, Mr. Micro, Bill Gates was on
stage, Start me up by the rolling stones was blasting in the background.
It was the launch of windows 98, the newest, hottest operating system in the
Bang!!! Windows 98
if you experience a little hiccup with your device, favorite or otherwise,
don’t despair; pick up that shovel and deal with it. If
yu expect flawless performance, all the time, everytime,
you’ll need a new existence in a new universe.
still wish my fn I phone had an s d card slot.
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
February-21-20 6:29 AM
Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
They do have physical
volume buttons and power button. Whoever said they had no physical buttons meant
the lack of a home button. No I’m not saying that IOS is so great that nothing
can go wrong that can’t be easily fixed by the methods I mentioned. Can you name
me a single operating system that is that infallible?
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for
anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like
the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone
models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the
volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:
Yes, but once you learn
the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused
- Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger
- Voice over being turned off. Solved by
either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly.
In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3
- Voice over volume being turned down.
Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume
It’s like any other
technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the
device is new to you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech?
Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if
you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No
operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge
ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone
since 2009. Give it a try.
Gerald, I can assure you that
I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m
On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01,
Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...>
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are
completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but
visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a
touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a
touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why
smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision
have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the
experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic
before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as
for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't
speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like
this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use
the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a
button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the
situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen
say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home
You often state
the worst case interpretation of situations.
February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs
a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible
enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved
to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of
its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good
choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is
relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a
growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making
it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without
some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B
about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think
they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From
the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll
be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!
LOL LOL Check out the link below for a
Take care. Mike. Sent from my
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February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
New Smart Flip Phone?
semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info
about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier,