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On 22-Feb-20 4:12 AM, Gene wrote:
The thread is ending by itself.
If it doesn't produce new useful information but continues,
I'll ask that it end.
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Is there any chance that we could possibly move on from this
thread? It's getting out of hand and I have had over 75 plus
messages with this topic. It's just my take on it. If the
discussion needs to continue, can you possibly change the
subject line? Thanks!
Shelly
On 2/21/2020 9:51 AM, Gene wrote:
You don't know that.
Interesting how someone with absolutely no experience has so
many opinions on something he chooses to know nothing about
from a standpoint of practical experience. Mix apples and
oranges? If your mother board fails, please explain how
having a tactile keyboard makes speech easier to obtain or
how it is easier to diagnose the probem?
If your sound card fails and
you don't have a USB sound card or a USB headset, explain
the same thing. There are certain instances where having a
physical keyboard would make solving a problem easier. But
these rare instances are no reason not to use a smart
phone. And a smart phone with a keypad can certainly fail
in ways that make having the keypad useless in trying to
solve the problem.
You have followed these lists
long enough to know that no matter what you use, some
problems require sighted assistance and that is no reason
not to use such products. If Windows becomes corrupted and
doesn't fully boot and displays an error message, please
explain to me how you are going to read it unless you have
an optacon, which very few blind people have. Again,
begging the question just to support your bias.
Gene
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
The difference is that a computer has a tactile keyboard. A
smart phone doesn't, which makes it more difficult for a blind
consumer to resolve a problem without sighted help. Don't mix
Apples with oraanges. (pun intended)
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 8:41 AM, Gene wrote:
He is not saying that. Your
computer's mother board can develop a problem and the
computer won't function at all. I don't see you begging
the question about your computer or implying that you
shouldn't use a computer. Sooner or later, it all comes
down to this, no matter how often you discuss such topics
and ask such questions, after a point, you are simply
begging the question and setting up straw men because you
are irremediably biased against smart phones.
Your questions in the
beginning of such discussions may serve a useful purpose
because there may be people who are worried about trying
such phones and people give answers that may be
reassuring. But beyond a point, you are just indulging
your antismart phone bias. No user who knows something
about computers or minicomputers, which is what smart
phones are, would say that loss of speech is impossible,
A component may fail, something may become corrupted, and
that is true of any computer or minicomputer. That is no
reason not to use one. The brakes could fail when you are
in a car, but do you ride busses or cabs? assessing risk
is a risk/benefit evaluation. If the risk is low enough
and the benefitsworht the risk, people constantly do
activities with some risk. Almost any activity has at
least a very small amount of risk.
Gene
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it
is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete
loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest
won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone
models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do
you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in
the first place?
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge
wrote:
Yes, but once you learn
the device you will learn that loss of speech is
usually caused by:
- Speech being
muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
- Voice over being
turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it
on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the
case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power
button 3 times.
- Voice over
volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a
gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.
It’s like any other
technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler
than they seem when the device is new to you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there
is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice
Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's
causing the problem in the first place? No operating
system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could
cause loss of speech.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge
wrote:
That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind
since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give
it a try.
Gerald,
I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I
take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!
On
20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<bwaylimited@...>
wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use
smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile
buttons are not really "blind" at all, but
visually impaired and retain some funtional vision
to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are
totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen
smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help.
Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads
like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been
introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing
about the experiences of a totally blind consumer
using the new Samsung smart flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene
wrote:
Your
statement about buttons is inaccurate based
on discussions I've seen on this topic
before. Most smart phones already had very
few buttons, and, as for the elimination of
the home button on the I-Phone, while I
can't speak from personal experience, I've
seen enough comments on lists like this that
the button's elimination doesn't mean blind
people can't use the phone. Evidently, the
screen simulates the presence of a button by
vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely
understand the situation and I await other
comments but how many people have you seen
say they stopped using an I-Phone because of
elimination of the home button?
You
often state the worst case interpretation of
situations.
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Origial Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20,
2020 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New
Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung
smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen
technology that allows it to be thin and
flexible enough to be folded in half like a
wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very
fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially
in view of its very high price tag. And it
would probably not be a good choice for a blind
consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen
is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.
This seems to be a growing trend in smart
phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making
it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to
use the phone without some sighted help or a lot
of hands-on training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike
B wrote:
I
heard about a phone like you're describing
just the other day and I think they said
that Samsung was the company producing
it. From the way the guy was describing
the way it works, it sounds like it'll be
a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn
well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the
link below for a review.
Take care. Mike. Sent
from my iBarstool.
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Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February
19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart
Flip Phone?
Hi,
all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in
his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a
smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature
flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart
phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any
info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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