David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
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I can honestly sympathize with your skepticism. When I was
beginning to hear about VoiceOver on the iPhone I could not
imagine how a blind person could possibly use a flat touch screen.
However, like many others on this list I have become extremely
proficient in using the iPhone and I have no usable vision. I have
set up many iPhones right out of the box without any sighted
assistance, with only VoiceOver to tell me what is on the screen.
In fact, I have done the same with Android devices, including Fire
tablets from Amazon. Being a former assistive technology trainer
for 25 years I have also spent the last few years in my previous
role training other blind people how to use these devices. I would
recommend that you find someone who is local to you who could show
you an iPhone with VoiceOver to introduce you to some basic
concepts. This helped me to get started as a friend came to visit
me where I worked with her iPhone to give me a quick introduction.
I would also recommend that you visit www.applevis.com and read
some of the guides on the site's section for new users. There are
also many audio tutorials on that site, as well. Finally, I would
recommend that you consider visiting a local Apple store. Many
Apple stores hire sales reps who are knowledgeable regarding
VoiceOver and accessibility, in general.
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
On 2/23/2020 2:45 AM, Leedy Diane Bomar
Suspect all you want Gerald, but, I am a totally blind user and
can use a phone perfectly well without buttons. Just the
touchscreen and the Byam buttons on the side and the Sleep light
button on the side.
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones
that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really
"blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some
funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who
are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone
probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones
with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have
been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the
experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung
smart flip phone.
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on
discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart
phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the
elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't
speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on
lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean
blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen
simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not
saying I definitely understand the situation and I await
other comments but how many people have you seen say they
stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home
You often state the worst case interpretation of
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Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip
phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to
be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a
wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR
did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high
price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a
blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is
relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to
be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical
buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer
to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B
I heard about a phone like you're describing just the
other day and I think they said that Samsung was the
company producing it. From the way the guy was
describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a
really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!
LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip
phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about
this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?