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I have had my SE for over 3 years and it hasn't ever crashed. I
had a problem with the microphone where it got stuck a few times
but all I did was hold down the power and home buttons and the
problem was solved. Sorry that you have had so much trouble. I'm
actually planning on getting a new iPhone when the new ones
finally come out.
On 2/22/2020 6:11 AM, chris judge
all you iPhone users, in all seriousness, how many times
have your IPhones crashed? I can state with confidence that
I can count the times my Phone has crashed on 1 hand, and
this is after almost 11 years of using one.
Usually I respect your cynicism, but in this case, I have to
disagree. You are talking a lot about the fact that a smart
phone can crash and you have major problems without speech.
This of course is true, but if I had the amount f money I
spent on correcting my old fashion Windows PC with the
Microsoft Windows operating system, I could take a month
vacation ti Tahiti.
So what is your point? All things made by human beings can
crash for everyone: sighted, blind and even Yogi Bear.
On 2/21/2020 7:15 AM, Gerald Levy via
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it
is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete
loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest
won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone
models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do
you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in
the first place?
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge
but once you learn the device you will learn that loss
of speech is usually caused by:
- Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double
- Voice over being turned off. Solved by either
asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3
times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above,
press the power button 3 times.
- Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by
invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume
like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are
much simpler than they seem when the device is new to
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there
is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice
Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's
causing the problem in the first place? No operating
system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could
cause loss of speech.
2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:
ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and
have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.
I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I
take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!
20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use
smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile
buttons are not really "blind" at all, but
visually impaired and retain some funtional vision
to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are
totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen
smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help.
Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads
like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been
introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing
about the experiences of a totally blind consumer
using the new Samsung smart flip phone.
2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
statement about buttons is inaccurate based on
discussions I've seen on this topic before.
Most smart phones already had very few
buttons, and, as for the elimination of the
home button on the I-Phone, while I can't
speak from personal experience, I've seen
enough comments on lists like this that the
button's elimination doesn't mean blind people
can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen
simulates the presence of a button by
vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely
understand the situation and I await other
comments but how many people have you seen say
they stopped using an I-Phone because of
elimination of the home button?
often state the worst case interpretation of
Origial Message -----
Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung
smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen
technology that allows it to be thin and
flexible enough to be folded in half like a
wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very
fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially
in view of its very high price tag. And it
would probably not be a good choice for a blind
consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen
is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.
This seems to be a growing trend in smart
phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making
it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to
use the phone without some sighted help or a lot
of hands-on training.
2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:
heard about a phone like you're describing
just the other day and I think they said
that Samsung was the company producing it.
From the way the guy was describing the way
it works, it sounds like it'll be a really
cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta
be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for
care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
Original Message -----
Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in
his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a
smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature
flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart
phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any
info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
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