I suspect some people are getting annoyed with the
thread continuing. It is continuing because some people, as is always the
case, are behind in mail and don't know that the thread should be slowing down
or stopping and they don't know that they are duplicating information.
I'll monitr the thread for a few more hours and if it just contains repetitive
information, I'll lock it, not as a punative measure, but because it has gone on
for days and beyond a certain point, it simply annoys enough users to be a
detriment while presenting no new information.
Gene, Owner
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Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Gerald,
I can honestly sympathize with your skepticism. When I was beginning to hear
about VoiceOver on the iPhone I could not imagine how a blind person could
possibly use a flat touch screen. However, like many others on this list I have
become extremely proficient in using the iPhone and I have no usable vision. I
have set up many iPhones right out of the box without any sighted assistance,
with only VoiceOver to tell me what is on the screen. In fact, I have done the
same with Android devices, including Fire tablets from Amazon. Being a former
assistive technology trainer for 25 years I have also spent the last few years
in my previous role training other blind people how to use these devices. I
would recommend that you find someone who is local to you who could show you an
iPhone with VoiceOver to introduce you to some basic concepts. This helped me to
get started as a friend came to visit me where I worked with her iPhone to give
me a quick introduction. I would also recommend that you visit www.applevis.com and read some of the guides
on the site's section for new users. There are also many audio tutorials on that
site, as well. Finally, I would recommend that you consider visiting a local
Apple store. Many Apple stores hire sales reps who are knowledgeable regarding
VoiceOver and accessibility, in general.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 2/23/2020 2:45 AM, Leedy Diane Bomar
wrote:
Suspect all you want Gerald, but, I am a totally blind user and
can use a phone perfectly well without buttons. Just the touchscreen and the
Byam buttons on the side and the Sleep light button on the side.
Diane Bomar
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are
completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but
visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a
touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a
touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart
phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been
introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a
totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've
seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few
buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone,
while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on
lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people
can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a
button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the
situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say
they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home
button?
You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.
Gene
----- Origial Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a
new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to
be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very
fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high
price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind
consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has
no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones:
eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind
consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on
training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:
Hi Lisa,
I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I
think they said that Samsung was the company producing it.
From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll
be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!
LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to
trade in his old flip phone soon. He said he saw something on TV
advertising a smart flip phone, he means a phone with the same body
style as a feature flip phone but with the capability of a modern
iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard anything about this.
Does anyone here have any info about this type of phone? Brand,
Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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