locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?


Carolyn Arnold
 

Now it is Hadley Institute for Blind and visually Impaired.

I can understand why agencies are Blind and Visually Impaired, because when I had partial sight, I did not feel like I was blind.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
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Oh, it's Institute, now! I always knew of it as Hadley School for the Blind. Pam.

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Hi David and Gerald:

There is also something called the Hadley Institute which has quite a few great instructional videos and tutorials for the iPhone and all kinds of other technology.

Victor
On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:02 AM, David Goldfield
<david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:

Yes, the newer iPhones do offer excellent battery life. I'm still
using an iPhone 8 and I use it with Apple's smart battery case, which
I absolutely love, as I can be at a 100% charge for an entire day,
even with streaming audio.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 2/21/2020 6:46 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I had that problem with my SE. It was a super phone, and, at least,
had more battery life than any flip phone I had, but still...

The 11 is living up to what I heard about it.

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I love my iphone!
but the battery drains real fast.
When I'm waiting for transportation it ccan go for hours, if you
don't listen to radio and such.
do you use a charging back up?
I had a case with my 5se, but the 7 would be nice if I didn't have to
carry back ups.
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I love my IPhone, if I only used the Seeing AI and Be My Eyes apps
it has been worth the investment. You don't have to buy the latest
and most expensive. You can purchase one used for under
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That's right. I hadn't thought about that.

Gene
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Actualy, he could read the screen with his smart phone. Another
reason to get one. Having an aira agent at your finger tips can solve
a lot of issues.

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You don't know that. Interesting how someone with absolutely no
experience has so many opinions on something he chooses to know
nothing about from a standpoint of practical experience. Mix apples and oranges?
If your mother board fails, please explain how having a tactile
keyboard makes speech easier to obtain or how it is easier to diagnose the probem?
If your sound card fails and you don't have a USB sound card or a
USB headset, explain the same thing. There are certain instances
where having a physical keyboard would make solving a problem easier.
But these rare instances are no reason not to use a smart phone. And
a smart phone with a keypad can certainly fail in ways that make
having the keypad useless in trying to solve the problem.

You have followed these lists long enough to know that no matter
what you use, some problems require sighted assistance and that is no
reason not to use such products. If Windows becomes corrupted and
doesn't fully boot and displays an error message, please explain to
me how you are going to read it unless you have an optacon, which
very few blind people have. Again, begging the question just to support your bias.

Gene
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The difference is that a computer has a tactile keyboard. A smart
phone doesn't, which makes it more difficult for a blind consumer to
resolve a problem without sighted help. Don't mix Apples with oraanges.
(pun intended)

Gerald


On 2/21/2020 8:41 AM, Gene wrote:
He is not saying that. Your computer's mother board can
develop a problem and the computer won't function at all. I don't
see you begging the question about your computer or implying that you
shouldn't use a computer. Sooner or later, it all comes down to
this, no matter how often you discuss such topics and ask such
questions, after a point, you are simply begging the question and
setting up straw men because you are irremediably biased against smart phones.

Your questions in the beginning of such discussions may serve
a useful purpose because there may be people who are worried about
trying such phones and people give answers that may be reassuring.
But beyond a point, you are just indulging your antismart phone bias.
No user who knows something about computers or minicomputers, which
is what smart phones are, would say that loss of speech is
impossible, A component may fail, something may become corrupted,
and that is true of any computer or minicomputer. That is no reason
not to use one. The brakes could fail when you are in a car, but do
you ride busses or cabs? assessing risk is a risk/benefit
evaluation. If the risk is low enough and the benefitsworht the risk, people constantly do activities with some risk.
Almost any activity has at least a very small amount of risk.

Gene
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So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is
impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech
that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it
not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind?
If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no
speech in the first place?

Gerald


On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:
Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that
loss of speech is usually caused by:
a. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
b. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking
siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the
case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
c. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking
a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.
It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things
are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.

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Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is
no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without
sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the
first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from
problems that could cause loss of speech.

Gerald


On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:
That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth
and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.

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Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I
think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!




On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via
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I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use
smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not
really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some
funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are
totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help.
Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell
and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to
hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the
new Samsung smart flip phone.


Gerald


On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based
on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones
already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home
button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience,
I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's
elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.
Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by
vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and
I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they
stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?

You often state the worst case interpretation of
situations.

Gene
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According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart
flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be
thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in
tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it,
especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably
not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the
touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This
seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical
buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use
the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.

Gerald


On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:

Hi Lisa,

I heard about a phone like you're describing just
the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company
producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works,
it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn
well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.


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Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
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From: Lisa Belville
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Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his
old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart
flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip
phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone.
I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any
info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


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