Re: Question: Comparing Performance of Modern 8th, 9th or 10th gen I5 vs I7 Intel Chips


enes sarıbaş
 

Alot of consumer  notebooks are now intigrating or in the process of adding AMD options. I think it is a safe bet that if an AMD windows driver problem existed until now, it would've come up, and been widely publisized.

On 5/26/2020 9:25 AM, Marie wrote:
I have been looking at systems with the newer AMD processors. I have never owned a machine with AMD so pretty uninformed. The issue with Windows supplying the necessary drivers is important to me because I am not techie enough to deal with having to find and install drivers, or maybe just a little too lazy. So does anyone know for sure that Windows will now supply the correct drivers?
Thanks
Marie


-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: Comparing Performance of Modern 8th, 9th or 10th gen I5 vs I7 Intel Chips

I would assume now that with ryzen 4000  windows would recognize and
install the correct drivers.OEMs push  updates through windows update.
Not to mention with intel, they are are still using basicly refinied 14
nm skylake arcetecture. And  remember spectre fixes, they keep finding
new spectre bugs, and as they keep pushing more patches out, the
performance impact keeps getting worse.
On 5/25/2020 11:25 PM, Austin Pinto wrote:
if you can go for the 10th generation of Intel even a i3 will be good.
i just got a dell vastro 3490 laptop with i3 10100u or something.
the performance is best.
put a ssd and 8gb or ram and it will fly.
1 thing or disadvantage of going amd is that you dont get automatic
driver updates.
amd drivers dont come with windows and you must install chipset and
other drivers to get the best out of it.
but Intel has a driver update utility which tells you when a driver is
available and Intel drivers come preinstalled with windows so even if
you dont install drivers its ok.

On 5/26/20, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
But the real problem is, will 8gb  be enough for the future? When I was
given this laptop,  it had had ram downgraded from 8 gb single channel
to 4 gb single channel. After a year, to improve performance, and
because ram was being used alot by windows and the antivirus, I got 8
gb, another 4 gb stick. Now I would  not get anything under 8 gb. With a
single browser, and a few standard background apps running, I only have
around 2 gb of ram free, which is a really small margin for error. If
she can aford it, I would also recommend a minimum of an i5 of the newer
generation, or even better an AMD ryzen 3000 series processor, which
deliver superior performance without being too expensive. The
generations the older they are with Intel are worse affected by the
meltdown and spectre fixes, which continuously degrade performance. An
i3 or lower also lacks many standard features on a processor, such as
turbo boost, and hyperthreading, which will be clear to see in daily
performance. Remember it is essential that you buy a system anticipating
the needs of the future.  In my experience, browsers appear to be the
programs that are most resource intensive.

On 5/22/2020 8:34 PM, Gene wrote:
To clarify, I'm not saying performance would be roughly equivalent if
she were a demanding user.  There may be no way to get this person to
change her mind if, for some reason, she Is determined to get what she
wants.  If she wants to spend hundreds of dollars for performance she
will never use, get a sports car when a compact would do fine, that Is
her decision. Performance will be fine for what she is going to use
the computer for, I would expect it to be about the same.
Extended warranties are generally a waste of money for computers.  If
nothing goes wrong within the first few months and the computer is
used a good deal during that time, the odds are that nothing will or
nothing serious for years.  To document what I'm saying, if you do a
search for somethin like is extended warranty worth getting for
computer, you will see result after result saying generally not.  I
saw one or two saying that it might be worth it if you anticipate
placing a lptop in situations where damage is likely but in general, I
didn't see one of the first six or seven results advising people to
get one.
The person may, of course, spend money in any way she wants.  I am
trying to save her perhaps hundreds of dollars.  She definitely
doesn't need more than 8gb of RAM and her uses are, by today's
standards, very undemanding of computer power.
I more or less discussed my thoughts before but I'm expanding them to
discuss other things such as the warranty.  I don't recall if you
discussed memory before, but the majority of users will never use 16GB
of RAM and she won't ever come anywhere nere exceeding 8 if she uses
the computer as described.
My concern isn't particularly whether she gets a Del, since I don't
know how their prices compare with other brands.  My concern is that,
whatever she gets, she for some reason has ideas of what she wants
that bear no relation to what she needs and may well cost her hundreds
of extra dollars.
Of course, if she is determined to get what she wants, that's up to her.
Gene

     ----- Original Message -----

*From:* David Goldfield <mailto:david.goldfield@...>
*Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2020 1:27 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Question: Comparing Performance of Modern 8th,
9th or 10th gen I5 vs I7 Intel Chips

I initially posted this series of questions on the NVDA chat subgroup. I
received some helpful and interesting messages from Gene, which gave me
a lot to think about. I'd like to repost my questions on this group to
seek additional opinions, particularly from those of you who may have
some direct experience in using and comparing these chips.

I'm assisting a friend in purchasing a new computer. At the moment she
feels that she wants to stick with Dell. She wants a desktop with an SSD
and, to best future proof this machine, I'd like it to have 16 GB of
RAM. Her needs are modest: email with Outlook, document editing with
Word, Web browsing and basic Excel functions. In other words we're
talking about Office and Web browsing.

No video editing, no gaming and likely not much even with audio editing.

Considering that the machine would have 16 GB of RAM and an SSD is an
8th gen or 9th gen I5 going to give her good performance, particularly
compared with I7 processors? Gene had already told me about more
inexpensive machines which might give her similar performance, such as a
review he provided for an Acer machine. I'm personally fine with
considering other brands but my friend may or may not feel that she may
want to stick with Dell. She also wants a fairly extended warranty along
with on-site service in case of an unforeseen hardware failure.
Obviously, a slightly older I5 will cost a bit less but I don't just
want performance to be OK or barely adequate. If we go with AMD are
there things I should look for or avoid? I just don't have enough
hands-on experience using some of these more modern computers and would
like feedback from those who have.

I should also mention that she'll be using JAWS.

Many thanks.


--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://www.DavidGoldfield.org>







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