For the first fifteen years, all my computers ahd a m d processors.
I switched to intel processors on my new machines, because the price was
right.
I have never had a problem on a computer related to an a m d processor.
Again I think this is more misinformation.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marie
Sent: May-26-20 8:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: Comparing Performance of Modern 8th, 9th
or 10th gen I5 vs I7 Intel Chips

I have been looking at systems with the newer AMD processors. I have never
owned a machine with AMD so pretty uninformed. The issue with Windows
supplying the necessary drivers is important to me because I am not techie
enough to deal with having to find and install drivers, or maybe just a
little too lazy. So does anyone know for sure that Windows will now supply
the correct drivers?
Thanks
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: Comparing Performance of Modern 8th, 9th
or 10th gen I5 vs I7 Intel Chips

I would assume now that with ryzen 4000 windows would recognize and install
the correct drivers.OEMs push updates through windows update.
Not to mention with intel, they are are still using basicly refinied 14 nm
skylake arcetecture. And remember spectre fixes, they keep finding new
spectre bugs, and as they keep pushing more patches out, the performance
impact keeps getting worse.
On 5/25/2020 11:25 PM, Austin Pinto wrote:

if you can go for the 10th generation of Intel even a i3 will be good.
i just got a dell vastro 3490 laptop with i3 10100u or something.
the performance is best.
put a ssd and 8gb or ram and it will fly.
1 thing or disadvantage of going amd is that you dont get automatic
driver updates.
amd drivers dont come with windows and you must install chipset and
other drivers to get the best out of it.
but Intel has a driver update utility which tells you when a driver is
available and Intel drivers come preinstalled with windows so even if
you dont install drivers its ok.

On 5/26/20, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

But the real problem is, will 8gb be enough for the future? When I
was given this laptop, it had had ram downgraded from 8 gb single
channel to 4 gb single channel. After a year, to improve performance,
and because ram was being used alot by windows and the antivirus, I
got 8 gb, another 4 gb stick. Now I would not get anything under 8
gb. With a single browser, and a few standard background apps
running, I only have around 2 gb of ram free, which is a really small
margin for error. If she can aford it, I would also recommend a
minimum of an i5 of the newer generation, or even better an AMD ryzen
3000 series processor, which deliver superior performance without
being too expensive. The generations the older they are with Intel
are worse affected by the meltdown and spectre fixes, which
continuously degrade performance. An
i3 or lower also lacks many standard features on a processor, such as
turbo boost, and hyperthreading, which will be clear to see in daily
performance. Remember it is essential that you buy a system
anticipating the needs of the future. In my experience, browsers
appear to be the programs that are most resource intensive.

On 5/22/2020 8:34 PM, Gene wrote:

To clarify, I'm not saying performance would be roughly equivalent
if she were a demanding user. There may be no way to get this
person to change her mind if, for some reason, she Is determined to
get what she wants. If she wants to spend hundreds of dollars for
performance she will never use, get a sports car when a compact
would do fine, that Is her decision. Performance will be fine for
what she is going to use the computer for, I would expect it to be about
the same.
Extended warranties are generally a waste of money for computers.
If nothing goes wrong within the first few months and the computer
is used a good deal during that time, the odds are that nothing will
or nothing serious for years. To document what I'm saying, if you
do a search for somethin like is extended warranty worth getting for
computer, you will see result after result saying generally not. I
saw one or two saying that it might be worth it if you anticipate
placing a lptop in situations where damage is likely but in general,
I didn't see one of the first six or seven results advising people
to get one.
The person may, of course, spend money in any way she wants. I am
trying to save her perhaps hundreds of dollars. She definitely
doesn't need more than 8gb of RAM and her uses are, by today's
standards, very undemanding of computer power.
I more or less discussed my thoughts before but I'm expanding them
to discuss other things such as the warranty. I don't recall if you
discussed memory before, but the majority of users will never use
16GB of RAM and she won't ever come anywhere nere exceeding 8 if she
uses the computer as described.
My concern isn't particularly whether she gets a Del, since I don't
know how their prices compare with other brands. My concern is
that, whatever she gets, she for some reason has ideas of what she
wants that bear no relation to what she needs and may well cost her
hundreds of extra dollars.
Of course, if she is determined to get what she wants, that's up to
her.
Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* David Goldfield <mailto:david.goldfield@...>
*Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2020 1:27 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Question: Comparing Performance of Modern 8th,
9th or 10th gen I5 vs I7 Intel Chips

I initially posted this series of questions on the NVDA chat
subgroup. I received some helpful and interesting messages from
Gene, which gave me a lot to think about. I'd like to repost my
questions on this group to seek additional opinions, particularly
from those of you who may have some direct experience in using and
comparing these chips.

I'm assisting a friend in purchasing a new computer. At the moment
she feels that she wants to stick with Dell. She wants a desktop
with an SSD and, to best future proof this machine, I'd like it to
have 16 GB of RAM. Her needs are modest: email with Outlook,
document editing with Word, Web browsing and basic Excel functions.
In other words we're talking about Office and Web browsing.

No video editing, no gaming and likely not much even with audio
editing.

Considering that the machine would have 16 GB of RAM and an SSD is
an 8th gen or 9th gen I5 going to give her good performance,
particularly compared with I7 processors? Gene had already told me
about more inexpensive machines which might give her similar
performance, such as a review he provided for an Acer machine. I'm
personally fine with considering other brands but my friend may or
may not feel that she may want to stick with Dell. She also wants a
fairly extended warranty along with on-site service in case of an
unforeseen hardware failure.
Obviously, a slightly older I5 will cost a bit less but I don't just
want performance to be OK or barely adequate. If we go with AMD are
there things I should look for or avoid? I just don't have enough
hands-on experience using some of these more modern computers and
would like feedback from those who have.

I should also mention that she'll be using JAWS.

Many thanks.


--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://www.DavidGoldfield.org>