Re: Question: Comparing Performance of Modern 8th, 9th or 10th gen I5 vs I7 Intel Chips


Lenron
 

you said you use 70 to 80 percen that sounds like a lot to me. So yes
in that case more ram would probably be smart.

On 5/26/20, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
Again, you only consider the conditions of today, and not the future.
When you have more ram, the browsers enable specific features that use
more. Also, dual channel ram, having two sticks instead of one double
ram performance.

On 5/26/2020 6:37 PM, David Moore wrote:

I have a Windows 10 computer, that I upgraded from Windows 8.1. it is
a 64-bit computer, and it only has 4 gigs of RAM LOL! I run the latest
of Windows 10, use the new chromium edge, chrome, and have many other
applications opened, and I still only use 72 to 80% of my ram. I
totally agree that eight gigs of RAM is plenty. The only time you
would need even 12 or 16 gigs of RAM, is if you were playing very
action-packed games which required very good graphics.
David Moore


On Tue, May 26, 2020, 4:02 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...
<mailto:enes.saribas@...>> wrote:

you are likely running a 32 bit OS, and an older operating system.

On 5/26/2020 10:05 AM, Gene wrote:
I just checked.  On my machine with 4GB of RAM, I checked my
memory use with nothing running.  it was 34 percent.  I then ran
Firefox, the latest version.  My RAM use went up to 42 percent.
and, as I said, that is on a machine with 4GB of RAM.
Gene
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*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
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*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Question: Comparing Performance of
Modern 8th, 9th or 10th gen I5 vs I7 Intel Chips

I completely disagree that 16GB of
RAM is the absolute minimum or anywhere near it.  A lot of people
use 8GB of RAM and have no problems.  I don't know how much
memory such browsers use now but if they used so much that 8GB
were no longer adequate for the majority of users, lists like
this one would receive a lot of questions about slow performance
since there memory would be used to the point that they would
have unpleasantly slow performance.  I've seen no such messages
continuing over time.
I have never seen 16GB recommended as a minimum.  I have seen 8GB
recommended.
Also, I got a laptop nine years ago running Windows 7.  it came
with 4GB.  I use Chrome and Firefox, both current versions with
no problem.  If I can use these browsers without problems with
4GB of RAM, they can certainly be used with 8GB of RAM.
Gene
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*From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:40 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Question: Comparing Performance of
Modern 8th, 9th or 10th gen I5 vs I7 Intel Chips

Well, from your statements, it seemed you were advocating saving
money as much as possible, even when said savings came at the
expense of features those users  would notice in every day use.
Remember about 2-3 years ago, firefox and chrome used vastly less
memory than it does now,  so for everyday web browsing, memory
usage is likely to increase further as processes of the browser
are split out. Therefore, the user should get 16 gb of memory,
which is the absolute minimum for desktops these days, while it
is the midrange option for laptops.

On 5/26/2020 9:04 AM, Gene wrote:
If someone uses a computer for browsing, e-mail, streaming, and
word processing and they don't anticipate doing anything of a
computer intensive nature in the future, why overspend and
overpurchase.  A lot of people know, or can be reasonably
confident, of approximately how they will use computers.  If
someone anticipates that they will do something like video
editing in the future, they may want a higher capacity
computer.  If someone anticipates becoming a gamer, playing
games that do well on very powerful computers but they
aren't now, that's one thing. But a lot of people pretty well
know that they want and will probably continue to want to use a
computer in x or y ways without much change or without much
change that will require more capacity.  I am not, nor did I,
advocate buying the cheapest computer you can find, but would
you tell someone to buy a racing car if they intend to do
typical city and highway driving and have no intention of racing?
Gene
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*From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 8:36 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Question: Comparing Performance of
Modern 8th, 9th or 10th gen I5 vs I7 Intel Chips

If you buy a machine that just barely meets your needs and has
nothing extra to future proof it, it is like buying a horse when
you need a car. It might look smart  initially, but it is a
really bad idea, as you will more than likely need to upgrade
down the road. But at least for ram usually it is upgradable,
not so with the processor in laptops, though even in desktops
you can dismount it and upgrade.

On 5/26/2020 2:47 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what you are running burt I really don't think
your experience is representative.  I am very skeptical that
typical computer users would come anywhere near using eight GB
of RAM.  This needs to be discussed.  My guess is that by
adding 8 more GB of RAM to a machine that already has eight,
you may spend one-hundred more dollars, which is a lot of money
to spend if you don't need to.
Gene
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*From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
*Sent:* Monday, May 25, 2020 10:33 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Question: Comparing Performance of
Modern 8th, 9th or 10th gen I5 vs I7 Intel Chips

But the real problem is, will 8gb  be enough for the future?
When I was given this laptop,  it had had ram downgraded from 8
gb single channel to 4 gb single channel. After a year, to
improve performance, and because ram was being used alot by
windows and the antivirus, I got 8 gb, another 4 gb stick. Now
I would  not get anything under 8 gb. With a single browser,
and a few standard background apps running, I only have around
2 gb of ram free, which is a really small margin for error. If
she can aford it, I would also recommend a minimum of an i5 of
the newer generation, or even better an AMD ryzen 3000 series
processor, which deliver superior performance without being too
expensive. The generations the older they are with Intel are
worse affected by the meltdown and spectre fixes, which
continuously degrade performance. An i3 or lower also lacks
many standard features on a processor, such as turbo boost, and
hyperthreading, which will be clear to see in daily
performance. Remember it is essential that you buy a system
anticipating the needs of the future.  In my experience,
browsers appear to be the programs that are most resource
intensive.

On 5/22/2020 8:34 PM, Gene wrote:
To clarify, I'm not saying performance would be roughly
equivalent if she were a demanding user.  There may be no way
to get this person to change her mind if, for some reason, she
Is determined to get what she wants.  If she wants to spend
hundreds of dollars for performance she will never use, get a
sports car when a compact would do fine, that Is her decision.
Performance will be fine for what she is going to use the
computer for, I would expect it to be about the same.
Extended warranties are generally a waste of money for
computers. If nothing goes wrong within the first few months
and the computer is used a good deal during that time, the
odds are that nothing will or nothing serious for years.  To
document what I'm saying, if you do a search for somethin like
is extended warranty worth getting for computer, you will see
result after result saying generally not.  I saw one or two
saying that it might be worth it if you anticipate placing a
lptop in situations where damage is likely but in general, I
didn't see one of the first six or seven results advising
people to get one.
The person may, of course, spend money in any way she wants.
I am trying to save her perhaps hundreds of dollars. She
definitely doesn't need more than 8gb of RAM and her uses are,
by today's standards, very undemanding of computer power.
I more or less discussed my thoughts before but I'm expanding
them to discuss other things such as the warranty.  I don't
recall if you discussed memory before, but the majority of
users will never use 16GB of RAM and she won't ever come
anywhere nere exceeding 8 if she uses the computer as described.
My concern isn't particularly whether she gets a Del, since I
don't know how their prices compare with other brands.  My
concern is that, whatever she gets, she for some reason has
ideas of what she wants that bear no relation to what she
needs and may well cost her hundreds of extra dollars.
Of course, if she is determined to get what she wants, that's
up to her.
Gene

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*From:* David Goldfield <mailto:david.goldfield@...>
*Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2020 1:27 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Question: Comparing Performance of
Modern 8th, 9th or 10th gen I5 vs I7 Intel Chips

I initially posted this series of questions on the NVDA chat
subgroup. I
received some helpful and interesting messages from Gene,
which gave me
a lot to think about. I'd like to repost my questions on this
group to
seek additional opinions, particularly from those of you who
may have
some direct experience in using and comparing these chips.

I'm assisting a friend in purchasing a new computer. At the
moment she
feels that she wants to stick with Dell. She wants a desktop
with an SSD
and, to best future proof this machine, I'd like it to have 16
GB of
RAM. Her needs are modest: email with Outlook, document
editing with
Word, Web browsing and basic Excel functions. In other words
we're
talking about Office and Web browsing.

No video editing, no gaming and likely not much even with
audio editing.

Considering that the machine would have 16 GB of RAM and an
SSD is an
8th gen or 9th gen I5 going to give her good performance,
particularly
compared with I7 processors? Gene had already told me about more
inexpensive machines which might give her similar performance,
such as a
review he provided for an Acer machine. I'm personally fine with
considering other brands but my friend may or may not feel
that she may
want to stick with Dell. She also wants a fairly extended
warranty along
with on-site service in case of an unforeseen hardware failure.
Obviously, a slightly older I5 will cost a bit less but I
don't just
want performance to be OK or barely adequate. If we go with
AMD are
there things I should look for or avoid? I just don't have enough
hands-on experience using some of these more modern computers
and would
like feedback from those who have.

I should also mention that she'll be using JAWS.

Many thanks.


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Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

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