Re: number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?


It doesn't make any difference if you find the hyphhen or not. It is important to look around in such situations and see if there is a way to solve a ;problem in navigating text or a web page, etc. A sighted person just sees what is there. If you don't look around, you are needlessly putting yourself at a disadvantage.

First, it is clear just from reading the messages, that only a line or two of previous material is quoted. the next question is, if I start down arrowing from the beginning of the message, will I find something like a blank line or a line with no text but where nothing is announced between the quoted material and the message? Once you find this line in such cases, simply down arrow from the top, and sstop at that line or continue to the first line of the new material, then use read to end.

If you want to know what is on the silent line, you can check. There are times when it matters to know what is there, there are times when it doesn't matter, unless you are just curious. Whether you know what is there or not, if you can use something about what you find as a recurring thing to look for and use, you can use it. In this case, the only reason, aside from curiosity, to know what is on the line is in case you want to use search to find it. But in this case there's no point. If you had to down arrow six or eight or more lines, searching for a hyphen might be more efficient enough to matter. Here, the process of moving down by line doesn't take longer enough to worry about. It is, in mhy opinion, better in this case just to hear the first line to see if it contains a new message or quoted material, then down arrow to the silent line or start of the new material. the most efficient way to do this is to press up arrow, that will read the top line even if you are already on it, at least it does on my screen-reader, then when you have heard it or part of it, down arrow to where you want to use read to end.


-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

How are you supposed to find the hyphen unless you turn on say all
punctuation? Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

Hi all,

At least we know now to look for the hyphen. I would respectfully
suggest that if Brian encounters any more flack for his way of posting,
he merely say that if one looks for the hyphen on the blank line, all
is made clear. It's amazing what having information can accomplish.

Ann P.

Original message:

Hi Pam,
I know the majority of people prefer the response to be at the top of the message; this is especially true of blind persons.
Let’s be ok knowing that bottom posters are a small minority, on this list and most others.
From: <> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: August 26, 2020 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?
I like the message being replies to to be underneath, not a quote from the previous message in the current message. Pam.
From: chris judge <>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 6:45 PM
To: <>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?
I find this extremely helpful as well. The older I get the fewer functional cells I have in this hard drive that sits upon my neck. Having a quote from a previous message brings this old boy back on track.
Chris Judge
JAWS Certified, 2020 <>
From: <> < <>> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: August 25, 2020 7:02 PM
To: <>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?
I'm a regular reader of Brian Vogel's posts on this as well as other lists. If he quoted several paragraphs of a person's message or even the entire message itself before posting a response I would agree that this would be problematic for some screen reader users. However, he usually just quotes one or two relevant sentences from the message to which he's responding followed by a hyphen. This is actually helpful as it can provide context as to the subject matter of his posts. If I've missed reading the original message but am curious about the topic this small quote gives me a good idea as to what, specifically, he's going to be writing about. If I'm responding to someone who may be asking several questions in one single message I will also quote each question, with my response below the question. There are several advantages to this method and I feel that this is also acceptable. There are definitely responsible and irresponsible ways to quote. Some are appropriate and can be very helpful. Others are unhelpful and are a waste of bandwidth. I feel that Brian's use of quoting is both responsible and more than acceptable.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist <>
On 8/25/2020 12:08 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 11:50 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
It is difficult for screen reader users to find where the current post starts.
No, it isn't. I routinely put a single hyphen, alone, on a line so that those who feel compelled to avoid hearing the tiny amount of material I quote can find where I begin responding. I post on many blind technology related groups, and it is a very small minority who complain as loudly or as long as you already have.
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