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You have a similar experience to mine. In all the lists I've ever been
on only one which is a technical list with mostly firmware developers
on it, recommends bottom posting; they however don't make a big deal
about it if an individual top posts. On that list I always bottom
At times if I'm asked several questions in an email message I will let
the person know that my answers can be found below their questions
marked with an asterisk in order to make it easier for myself and for
them to easily find the answers they sought.
When it comes to lists with mainly blind people on them i've only seen
a total of about 3 individuals who insist on bottom posting and refus
to consider any other way of replying to messages. Of course as stated
by some on this very list, those messages may just end up being
On 8/27/20, Monte Single <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
Thanks for your post.
Apart from the many list I am subscribed to, I used email at work for
almost thirty years. I worked for a school board with 2500 employees. Top
posting was the standard email formaqt.
I estimate I have processed about 10 million emails since I started using
computers. Top posting is the standard I find on all lists I have used.
Brian get the prize for being the 1 outstannding bottom poster.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laz
Sent: August 27, 2020 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking about quoting threads in the blindness
Hmm. I post a message so that people have a fuller understanding of where
you're coming from and you point out how invalid my message is.
It's not an obsession to top post;it's what we as blind people find easier
for us. And please explain to us why the majority of blind people on every
list you join need to adopt your way of doing things instead of you adapting
to the way things are done on a blind mailing list?
You have to walk the walk of being blind before you actually understand what
it's like; it's not something you jusdt pick up from talking with some blind
people, reading books, watching movies andTV shows, etc. It doesn't just rub
off of them and onto yourself. It's an experience that until you go through
it yourself you can't claim to understand what it's like to be blind.
Please attempt to be civil in your replies and messages.
On 8/27/20, Brian Vogel <email@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:24 AM, Laz wrote:
it should be noted that Brian is fully sighted and does things as a
sighted person does
Indeed I am and do. I've never made a secret of the fact I'm fully
That doesn't make any of the rest of your message have the slightest
bit of validity. I've been working with blind individuals for many,
many years now, and am acutely aware of "how things work." But the
fact is that "how things work" in any community often need to be changed,
at least somewhat.
The obsession with only top-posting, and never including any reference
material before starting one's own content, is one of those things. I
hear, and frequently, "We/I want to be treated just like anyone else."
Well, I'm not going to back down on my earlier assertion that this
particular style of "quote response quote response" has been the norm
in most email I've dealt with since the 1980s when one cannot simply
presume that the reader will know exactly who and/or what is being replied
to at the outset. It's long
past time that the complaints about this cease, period. It's done, it's
done commonly, you (any you) need to know how to deal with it. And
most sighted people would not bother with including a hyphen, as I do,
because they'd have no reason to believe it is necessary.
I do conform myself to the customs of any community in which I
participate when possible and when those customs do not interfere with
effective communication. If I had not left the tiny bit of context at
the outset to which I was replying, this message would have been much
less clear. It's that simply, so I'm not going to even try to please
those that want me to write in a manner I know to be less clear, not more
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