Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad


Gene
 

you need to tab to the combo box where you set the level at which speech is spoken. While you are on page break in the list, tab until you get there. By default, it is set on none. That means page break will be spoken when punctuation is set to none and all higher levels. If you want it spoken only at the highest level, set the combo box to all. It will still be spoken if you have punctuation set to all. If you don't want it spoken there, you may have to use methods discussed elsewhere in the thread.

Gene

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From: heather albright
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I forgot to say, my speech is set to not announce page breaks according to the symbol list but NVDA still does! So is there another place I need to change? Thanks Heather



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I may have missed an e-mail from the thread but, which list are you referring to? Are you talking about the list for the audio dictionary from NVDA? Thank you, Heather



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From: Gene
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Also, there are an enormous number of symbols in the list, 33060. You can

immediately find page break by shift tabbing once in the dialog to filter by

and typing page break. Tab once to the list again and you will see page

break as the only entry now shown.



I don't think I've ever seen a list that is nearly so enormous.



As for the kitty comments, I will respond by saying that if I'm a kitty, I

almost never play or go after a mouse.



Gene

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From: Gene

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That was a good idea. I'd looked at and played with the settings in that

dialog a little before, but I hadn't looked at them in detail and I thought

they were limited to punctuation. I tried raising the setting from none to

all and page break is no longer spoken when the punctuation speaking level

of the screen-reader is set at none. It shouldn't be spoken unless when

using the all setting. The problem is now solved in the easiest way and it

requires no altering of documents nor changing of speech settings

repeatedly.



Gene

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From: Ann Parsons

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 5:51 AM

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Hi all,



Ah, vindacation! I believe this is an NVDA command and can be easily

solved. Maybe Joseph Lee or Quentin Whosits can enlighten us? My

first thought is to go into the menu and look in audio preferences.

At least I'd start there.



Hmmm, interesting, there's a whole list of symbols under an item in the

menu called symbol something-or-other. It really does help to explore

the menus of your program. Now all you need to do is find the pesky

page-break. If it isn't in the list, which is quite extensive, then

apparently you can add it. I'd seek info on the NVDA list first,

though. I'm about halfway there to fixing the problem, but think an

expert may do better at this.



Ann P.





Original message:



Yes, I do not want the screen reader to announce page breaks. They can bee
there but, I just do not want to hear page break for every page break in
the text. Very annoying when one reads a book or text. I have not taking
the steps very busy today, so never got around to trying it out. Thank you
for the info. I never understood why some screen readers do not have this
issue most notedly j2018 and VO of my phone or ipad. While others like the
latest jaws and narrator cant get rid of them when reading text. And jaws
support is to lame to fix it evem when I tried their steps which, I might
add, the folks who gave them to me, have not tried them cause they would
see these steps are not stopping jaws from saying page break with either
word or notepad. Cheers Heather


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From: Mike B <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:37 PM
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She said that she wants to stop NVDA from reading page breaks in Notepad.
Well, the steps I provided will remove the page breaks and the, ^m, is the
symbol that is used in the find & replace feature to do this. You put, ^m,
into the Find field..., now follow the steps I posted earlier. As I tried
to explain the ^m, is a Windows thing used by the find & replace feature
to remove page breaks just like, ^p, is used to remove paragraph marks and
, ^t, is used to remove tabs. All I'm suggesting is to remove the page
breaks not modify a dictionary file to stop NVDA from announcing them. She
might not want to remove them, but I don't know what the page break symbol
looks like, just like yourself, to modify the NVDA dictionary to keep NVDA
from announcing it. I also couldn't find either the ASCII or ANSI digital
codes to create a page break manually to place either in the find &
replace dialogue or the dictionary so NVDA wouldn't announce it. I may be
wrong, but I think you're wanting to suppress the announcement of the page
break where I'm suggesting the removal of the page break so there isn't a
page break to be announced. I don't know if she wants to remove the page
breaks or not and I don't know enough about NVDA to offer another
suggestion than the removal of the page breaks. Hopefully she'll respond
to let us know her outcome.


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!


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It appears the person who asked the original question is using NVDA. JAWS
doesn't announce the page break carachter when it encounters it.


I assume, and it’s a good assumption, but the person may correct me if I'm
wrong, that the person is hearing the words page break being spoken, not
the
characters you are citing. She asks how to remove page breaks and I doubt
she would say that if she heard the code spoken as carret m.


But the carachter being discussed isn't the carachter you are discussing.
If it were, NVDA would say page break just as it does when it encounters
whatever is being used.


I don't know what the carachter is. The carachter you are referencing may
be used as a page break character but I don't know which programs do so or
under what circumstances.


Gene
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From: Mike B
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That's what it's supposed to say. The, ^m, is what Windows uses to replace
or remove the page break symbol. The only way to know if it works or not
is
to use the steps in a file that has page breaks in it. Here are other
symbols that are used in the Find & Replace feature.




Paragraph Mark, ^p
Tab Character, ^t
Any Character, ^c
Any Digit, ^g
Any Letter, ^y
Caret Character, ^r
§ Section Character, ^a
¶ Paragraph Character, ^a
Column Break, ^u
Em Dash, ^m
En Dash, ^n
Endnote Mark, ^e
Field, ^d
Footnote Mark, ^f
Graphic, ^i
Manual Line Break, ^l
Manual Page Break, ^k
Nonbreaking Hyphen, ^h
Nonbreaking Space, ^s
Optional Hyphen, ^o
Section Break, ^b
White Space, ^w
Take care.
Mike
Global warming? Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!




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From: Gene
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I doubt that is the same symbol as whatever put the page breaks into the
document uses. I tried placing the symbol in a document in Notepad and
NVDA
didn't say page break when it read the symbol. It said carret m.


Also, when I work with the symbol, as far as I can tell, it takes one
space.


Gene


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From: Mike B
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Hi Heather,


These are steps for Word, but give them a try in Notepad to see how it
goes.


You might consider using the "Find and Replace" dialog box to remove all
manual page breaks.


1. Use CTRL+H to move focus into the Replace page of the dialog box.
2. In the Find What edit box type a caret followed by a small m. (The
caret is a shift on the number 6 and be sure not to capitalize the m).
3. Tab to the replace edit box but just leave it blank if you don't want
to
replace the manual page breaks with anything else.
4. If you want to keep any of the manual page breaks then tab to the
Replace button and use spacebar. You can then use the Next button to move
to the manual page breaks and remove one at a time. Otherwise, tab to the
Replace all button and use spacebar.
5. Word will let you know how many manual page breaks it removed and you
can press spacebar on the OK button.


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
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Thank you, I do not have a symbol before the page break, unless, it is the
space before the page break. Is that what your talking about? Thank you,
Heather






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From: Gene
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I'm not sure how it might be done other than the method I'll present here.


This is a symbol and for some reason, I find that I can't add it to the


default speech dictionary or the voice dictionary and have it honored. I


have to place it in the temporary dicgtionary. Perhaps others will have


other experiences.


First, you have to get the symbol in a syntax that it can be pasted to the


temporary dictionary. I've tried just selecting it and copying it to the


clipboard. It doesn't work. You have to select something right next to it,


such as a space and select the symbol and copy both to the clipboard.


Then, when you paste what you copied into the pattern field, remove the


additional carachter after pasting.


Then tab once to the pronounced as field and type a space. Tab to and


activate the ok button, then tab to and activate the next ok button. You


have solved the problem for this session of NVDA.






I wish I knew a permanent solution but at least when I've tried this, I
have


to go through this procedure every time I run NVDA that I want the symbol


not to be spoken. You may be able to remove the page breaks using search


and replace but I haven't played with that to any extent.






Gene


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From: heather albright


Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:39 PM


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Hello, I wante to get rid of my NVDA from announcing page breaks with


notepad. So what is the best way, if anyone knows how to do this, please


send the sequence commands. I do not like page breaks to be announced when


reading books. Thank you,






Heather














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