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I don't really think mozilla's release schedule has anything to
do with the decline of there browser popularity. I think The main
reason for this is that there browser is considered cluttered by a
lot of people and because it's a little slower than
Brave and chrome have a release schedule that if anything is even
faster than mozilla.
On 9/30/2020 8:16 AM, Gerald Levy via
Mozilla seems to have
a peculiar obsession with security. They are constantly
releasing new versions of Firefox and Thunderbird which are
purported to be "more secure" than previous versions, but of
course, there is really no way to substantiate their claims
aside from taking their word for it. I suspect that they use
their claims of improved security to justify their ambitious
release schedule, a strategy which has largely backfired,
because Firefox has experienced a steep decline in share of
the browser market.
On 9/30/2020 7:28 AM, Ron Canazzi
If what you are saying is true then my question is why do
software companies--even free ones like Mozilla--always mention
security as well as efficiency and functionality when they
announce a new update. I could understand if the only companies
doing this were for profit, but Mozilla is a free download.
What is in it for them to announce that a particular update is a
security and efficiency update?
On 9/30/2020 1:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If we were talking about browsers, I
would agree not to run old ones.
I did e-mail searches and found very little supporting your
position. Almost everything I fouhnd talked about phishihng
and social engineering. I did find one discussion about a
truly archaic version of Outlook, Outlook 2000 and I found a
few general statements about unpatched exploits but almost
nothing, thus leading me to continue to believe what I
believed before, that exploits in e-mail programs are not
generally used in attacks these days.
This discussion, talking about a really archaic version of
Outlook has content that may support your contention, but I
found almost no other discussion of the question in a search
for is it dangerous to use an old version of an e-mail
program. And note that this discussion doesn't say that to
any of the participants' knowledge, anyone has been hacked
through this truly archaic version of Outlook by the use of
unpatched exploits It simply says that this or that can be
I'm not saying what you say is wrong, but until I get good
evidence otherwise, I shall continue to hold my views, that
((1) there is no interest in attacking people through
malicious code these days in e-mails and that (2) being on
lists like this for years and not having seen one message from
anyone about being attacked in other ways than by phishing and
social engineering and that 3) the links for about fifteen
results I read, I read the links, I didn't go to the pages,
but the links don't mention embedded code, they discuss
phishing and other forms of social engineering, all this is,
in my opinion, strong evidence that I am correct.
I'm not telling anyone they must do anything, either. I'm
presenting the reasons I believe I am correct.
Here is the link to one of the searches I did. It was worded
about like this:
Are e-mails with malicious code common in 2020
You may see the results. I've looked at the links to
something like fifteen results and they all deal with attacks
such as phishing and no links mention messages with embedded
As I said, I looked at the links themselves, I didn't go to
If you have good evidence to show that I am or have a
reasonable chance of being wrong, that's fine. You have more
technical knowledge than I do and you may find such
information. I shall continue to believe I am correct unless
I see convincing information.
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Giving Up on Thunderbird!
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 11:28 PM, Gene wrote:
You may correct me if I'm wrong on these points or disagree-
I am not going to, because you are entirely capable of doing a
web search on "email client attacks" or "email attack
surfaces" or similar to get reams of documentation on what has
been going on for years.
I'm not going to tell anyone they must do anything. I'm also
not going to tell them that leaving web browsers or email
clients in an un-updated state is a wise or safe thing to do,
because it isn't.