Re: Lenovo Laptops.


It isn't a choice between a desktop and a laptop in terms of keyboards. You can get external keyboards that are like what you are used to for use with a laptop. If you are going to use the laptop away from home, you can have a computer bag in which you can carry the laptop and the external keyboard. You can connect the keyboard, close the lid of the computer, and use the keyboard on top of the computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene,
Yes, I do find this very useful. I was wondering if all or most Laptops have pretty much the same keyboard layout. I will have to give this some serious thought now. I don't know if I could get used to the keyboard on this Lenovo, but maybe if I tried a little more, but it is completely different from any other keyboard I've ever used, but then again, I've always used desktops, and that is what I'm used to. So, I either buy a desktop, or try to get used to Laptop keyboards. I do definitely want a Laptop though. So this gives me something to think about. I will keep the comments from this email though.


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

These comments are long, but you may find them useful and if they encourage
further discussion, you may find that useful as well.

The following comments may help you approach deciding what laptop to buy or
such questions as whether you want to use an external keyboard. I haven't
used a variety of laptops. My comments are intended to stir helpful
discussion. While I have given you my impression regarding laptop
keyboards, they are my impression and are not based on looking at a variety.

You might consider Computers For the Blind, as I said, if money is tight. I
believe you use a computer for typical things, browsing, e-mail, streaming
music. If money isn't tight or you just want a better computer, you may not
want to. But 150 dollars for a refurbished laptop that is already
configured, not that you couldn't do it yourself, a free year of JAWS, which
may or may not matter if you already have JAWS, and NVDA included may make
more sense. I haven't gotten a machine from them, but I've heard good
things from those who have.

If you ask here, you may get comments from a number of people about whether
the machines satisfy users, have good keyboards, and other ;possible
questions you have. There is a real difference between five hundred dollars
and 150 dollars.

Regarding keyboards, I'm not sure what choices you have on laptops. My
laptop has square keys that are much larger than the keys on a mechanical
external keyboard. The feel of depression is different as well. The
question of keyboards would be something to discuss here. I hope others
comment on such questions as:
Can you find mechanical or small key keyboards in laptops? Are you willing
to use an external keyboard? My guess is that you are used to external
mechanical keyboards, not membrane keyboards. Although I haven't looked
into this, my guess is that most perhaps almost all laptop keyboards are
membrane and membrane keyboards have a different tension and feel than a
mechanical keyboard.

As far as keys being of different shapes, I'm not sure what you are
referring to but laptop keyboards often have keys like home and end in
different places than external keyboards. They are often differently shaped
from the letter and number keys as well.
Once I got used to where the home and end keys are on my keyboard, I don't
object to them and find them as easy to use as the traditional home and end
keys. It may be just a case of you getting used to a laptop computer
keyboard. That may be easier for some people than for others.

If you use your computer mainly at home, you may want to get a mechanical
external keyboard if that is what you are used to, and it probably is.

Many people use a laptop computer for mostly home use.
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene and All,
I've been doing quite a bit of research on the Lenovo IdeaPad in which I
recently bought. I don't particularly like the keyboard, as the keys are to
flat and to large, and different shapes, and when I press a key, the key
goes down into the keyboard. I also read quite a bit about how long the
Lenovo Laptops last, and according to what I have been reading, they only
will last two years. LOL! I paid $499, so I would like it to last a little
longer, but with this particular Laptop, according to the reviews I've
read, this isn't going to last long. I also read this Lenovo does overheat
quite often, not sure if it is because of the Intel Processor or what. I am
going to take it back to Best Buy Monday, and try to get one without the num
pad, as I know Best Buy don't have Laptops with the Num Pad in their stores.
Thank you all so much for all your help, as it is greatly appreciated.


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

To clarify, I'm saying that I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss
the chip speed and cache that would be the best buy for the money for a
typical user. If you get too underpowered or undercached a chip, you likely
won't be satisfied. I'm also saying that differences in brands, which chips
offer faster performance and more cache, for example for the price, and
which operate more cooly, if that matters, are things I don't have the
knowledge to discuss along with the best specifications per brand.

It is my impression that this or that brand may have a slower chip speed,
but that other technical differences may provide faster performance than a
different brand with the same chip speed.. And how much such differences
matter for the typical user in terms of performance per price is something I
don't know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

There are objective differences in brands and models of chips. Whether and
to what extent they matter to the typical user, I don't know and I don't
have the technical knowledge to discuss but there are objective differences.
it isn't just a matter of taste.

-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Pam,

Computer brands, models, processors, speakers, it is mostly a matter of what
we are used to and what we can afford.

You know, I’m a chev guy,

I’m a Wrangler Woman,

I choose pepsi,

Coke rocks

And we won’t bother with the pizza or burgers.



From: <> On Behalf Of Pamela
Sent: December 26, 2020 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

My first windows computer was a Gateway 2000 tower with an AMD processor
that I got back in 2000. I was told, even back then, that AMD processors
were better. Pam.

From: Monte Single

Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:16 AM


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Josh,

I am not familiar with the current line of a m d processors, but they were
all I used till a few years ago.My impression is that a m d processors are
now a better choice, dollar for dollar, than an intel.

Of course some will disagree.

It sounds like a great machine unless you intend to do serious gaming and
video editing.

From: <> On Behalf Of Josh
Sent: December 25, 2020 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

speaking of LENOVO laptops, I am thinking of getting the following laptop. A
LENOVO, with 256 GB solid-state NVME Drive., and I'm sorry if I posted this
before I don't remember if I did, I amD RYZEN5 processor, eight gigs of RAM,
with this configuration of computer work good with JAWS?

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