Re: can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


Loy
 

Windows 8 started shipping on computers in 2012 and Windows 10 started
shipping in 2015, so the computer must be 5 years old or older, but that
does not mean Windows 10 would not run on it . Over the past few weeks many
suggestions has been given him to get the computer fixed, but so far he has
not said he has tried any of the suggestions.

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From: "Pamela Dominguez" <pammygirl99@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


I was thinking that when he said it was in a warehouse. Even if she got it
for him two years ago, you don't know how many years it sat in the
warehouse, unfortunately. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I wonder why. From the conversation, it sounds as though the machine may be
much older. It would be a good idea to see if it is new enough to run
Windows 10 well before you do a reset.

Someone might be able to tell you how to assess the machine. I can tell you
how to find some technical information but I don't know enough technically
to evaluate some of it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 4:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


hen I tried to install it.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Did it say that in general or when you tried to run a specific program or
programs?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:27 AM
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help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


That’s interesting, because I have heard people on lists say they used it.
Maybe in an earlier version of windows ten? Pam.

From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 12:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Window eyes will not isntall on my windows 10 computer. I tried and it
said I needed to try another screen reader program.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Pamela Dominguez
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Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

And he could try window eyes. Some people still use it in windows ten.
Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Switching to JAWS shouldn't cause a significant difference in speed. of
course, as a test, he could compare the speed using NVDA or Narrator.
Knowing how old the machine is may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Gene,
I already asked Keith if the PC started slowing down after the upgrade
rather some months later or maybe a year later, but I didn't see any answer
other than he wasn't for sure because he started using JAWS at the same
time, and he came from Window Eyes, or I think that is what he said. He
also said he has had Windows 10 on his PC for 2 or 3 years, and that is all
I know in which isn't very much! Smile!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

The first question to ask, now that we know that Windows was upgraded, not
installed as a new clean copy, is, did the computer run slowly immediately
after the upgrade or did it become slow later. It would have been good if I
had asked that. If the answer is that the computer ran slowly since the
upgrade, I think the upgrade is by far the likely possibility. If the
answer is that the computer ran well for awhile, then slowed down, I would
look for other causes.

A lot of the causes you posit, may be causes, but they are unlikely, or
without more information, I would consider unlikely. For example, defrag
doesn't slow a computer down enough to account for the slowness complained
of.

If the computer isn't a bottom of the line budget machine, and not a high
end more or less gaming performance machine, it is likely to have 8GB of
RAM. That is generally what is placed in machines aimed at the majority of
computer users.

While your message is useful in that it may cause us to get more information
about the machine and discuss other possibilities, at this point, without
more information, I think the upgrade is by far a more likely cause.

Gene
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From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Hi Gene,
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with what you are saying here. There
are several different reasons why Keith's PC could be running slow. Does he
have enough Ram, What kind of processor is on his PC, how old is the PC, are
there to many programs-apps running in the background, is there too many
apps opened at the same time, does the PC have too much Bloatware, has he
deleted any apps-Software he doesn't need or want, has he ever performed a
Defrag, if so, when was that, is Windows 10 defrag feature automatically
turned on, does he know when or if the PC is defragging, does this slowness
happen when the PC is plugged in, are the batteries weak on his PC, is the
PC overheating, how often does he restart the PC, what version of JAWS is he
using, is the version of JAWS compatible with Windows 10, is there any
malware on the PC, has he checked the power plan settings, is Cortana turned
on, has he ever used the Disk Clean-up, so as you can see there are
definitely several different reasons why the PC could be slow. As far as
doing a reset, because his PC came with Windows 8, it will just go right
back to Windows 8 if he does a reset, for the simple fact, reset is a
wonderful feature, but it does revert right back to factory settings, in
which he would end up with Windows 8. Keith wouldn't even be able to use
JAWS during the process. I don't know if he wants that. Like I said the
Reset feature in Windows 10 is a wonderful feature, and I'm sure the PC will
run much faster, but then again, that gets rid of all the old Bloatware, and
downloads new Bloatware, so in due time, the PC will start slowing down
again. I'm sure there must be some way to download Windows 10 without so
much Bloatware, but I'm just not for sure, as I'm also learning Windows 10
as I go along. My personal opinion is do some maintenance and see how the
PC is running. I don't even know if Keith is willing to go through all
that, or if he has some sighted assistance to help him with all that.


Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I doubt that such considerations are causing the slowness. As far as a
reset is concerned, if you do the reset or whatever it is called from within
Windowsw 10, you will get a clean copy of Windows 10. It doesn't matter
what the previous operating system was. If you did the restore to factory
state, which isn't a Wihndows 10 reset, then you would be back to Windows 8
but that's a completely different procedure and it isn't accessible. You
aren't even booted into Windows when you do the factory restore.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?



Hi Keith,

I’m sorry for my late reply, but I’ve been extremely busy. I wouldn’t
perform any reset, refresh, and definitely not a factory reset. The reason
I say this is because your PC came with Windows 8. Although, I would
definitely check the PC to see what apps are running in the background, what
apps are starting on boot up, how many apps are running at the same time,
before doing anything to the PC. You could also check how much disk space
you have on your PC. You could also check to be for sure you are getting
all the necessary updates, as well as drivers, you could also check and
delete any apps you might not need or want, in which this could also improve
performance on your PC, in which I think that would make a huge difference.
Having said all this, I’m thinking you are going to have to perform a defrag
on your PC, providing your PC doesn’t have a SSD, and if so, I wouldn’t do a
defrag. I know MS has machines set to defrag I think once a month, and this
is set as default. Although, some times that isn’t enough, but then again,
MS doesn’t know what you will be doing with your PC either, so sometimes we
have to defrag more than just once a month, but then again, it really all
depends on what you are doing with your PC. Matter of fact, I checked my
Windows 7 to see why it is running much faster than my new Windows 10, and I
apparently set my Windows 7 to defrag once a week, and that is because I do
quite a bit with my Windows 7. I checked my Windows 10, and sure enough, MS
has it set as the default to defrag once a month, so I will be changing that
as well, as deleting some gremlins that came along with Windows 10. Smile!
So you have to also take in to consideration what you are doing with your
PC, and only you know that. I noticed you said you are using JAWS as your
screen reader, so what version of JAWS are you using? I don’t know how but
for some reason, I didn’t increase the speech rate on JAWS when I installed
him on Windows 10, so I thought oh my goodness this Windows 10 is just to
slow, so it finally dawned on me to increase JAWS speech rate, and my Laptop
seems to be running faster now! LOL! Stupidity on my part! So as you can
see, you do have several different options in order to improve performance
on your PC, but it all depends on how much time and effort you might want
to put in to it. I definitely think it is well worth putting time and
effort in to it, but that is up to you. You could also call ms if you want
to, and explain to them the problems you are having, and see what they will
say. MS can also log in to your PC, and chances are they can tell what the
problem is, and tell you what to do about it, or they can do it for you. If
you are interested in calling them, I can give you their phone number
providing you are in the US, so just let me know. Keith don’t give up,
because like I said you do have several different options here.



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 9:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







No clue. I did not get jaws until they bought window eyes/gwmicro and I
installed jaws on the windows 10 computer. the computer came with windows 8
and I knew that I would be updating it to windows 10 and also knew that
window eyes (at it's last version) did not work on windows 10 OS.







Keith



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From: Janet



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Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 8:16 AM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

Did the Laptop start slowing down right after your cousin installed Windows
10, or was it sometime later, like maybe some months or maybe a year later?
I ask these questions because the more information you can provide to us,
the more we can pinpoint the problem. As, I know this can be quite
annoying, having a slow PC!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had the laptop with windows 10 on it for 2 to 3 years. It originally
came with windows 8 and my cousin ran the free upgrade to windows 10 (took
about 8 hours for the download and installation so I left it with him and he
got it back a couple of days later.



It's an HP laptop.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 3:10 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Keith,

How long have you had Windows 10? Do you have a Desktop or Laptop? I really
don’t think JAWS can slow down a PC though. Although, JAWS can be a little
flaky sometimes, but I just don’t think we can hold JAWS responsible for
this one! Smile! There has to be something else that is slowing down your
PC. I’m hopeing when I finally remove the bloatware from my Windows Laptop,
it will pick up some spead! Oh what I would give to have Windows XP again,
as I loved that XP. I know the days of Windows XP is long gone!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had a computer guy take a look at it and he said that besides some HP
proprietary software required to run the actual computer , I don't have any
bloat ware running on my system. he is not familiar with screen readers but
he said that jaws might be the cause of the slow down. And yes, I to am
trying to learn windows 10 and also jaws as I am a former window eyes user.
I still run a laptop with xp and window eyes and it is a heck of a lot
faster than my "new" laptop with jaws and win 10 on it. I don't do any
emailing or shopping on it, but I like the smoothness and the response and
speed of the window eyes and xp experience on the older computer.







Shrug. Needless to say, a lot of the internet and what not is cut off from
me because of the xp machine not being able to load most websites but hey, I
prefer getting things typed out on my xp wordpad rather than typing a line
of text on the win 10 comptuer and then having to wait for either jaws or
win 10 to catch up and actually speak the line I just typed.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:49 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

I’m not very familiar with Windows 10, but I’m learning! LOL! As far as
your pc running that slow, I would definitely check to see what apps might
be running in the background. Slow computers are often caused by too many
programs running simultaneously, taking up processing power and reducing the
PC's performance. That’s just my personal opinion though. I don’t know if
you are running a Desktop or Laptop like I am or not, but even though, I’ve
had my new Laptop barely 3 weeks, and I haven’t worked on it much this past
week, my Laptop appears to be much slower than my old Windows 7, and I’ve
had Windows 7 since 2012. Although, I’m sure my slowness of my new Laptop
is caused by a lot of bloatware that came with Windows 10 as well as the
updates, I know I need to get rid of, or at least I hope that’s all it is!
Smile! As far as using the Reset option, from my understanding, the reset
feature is a repair tool in Windows 10. You can use that, and you can
choose what you want to keep, and after the repair, that will reinstall a
fresh copy of Windows 10. I hope this helps a little, as I just can’t stand
a sluggish pc, I would rather throw it out the Window! Smile!





Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







does this resetting reinstall windows completely, (aka download a new copy
of windows from the Microsoft servers and install it on your system? I
upgraded from windows 8 to windows 10 when MS was offering the free update
and my system is is as slow as heck. I have the proper amount of ram and
cpu speed on my laptop to handle windows 10 and jaws, but the computer is
very "laggy" and simple things like opening a folder can take up to 2
minutes to complete and allow access to the files in the folder. opening
programs is the same way, even functions taht are part of windows are slow
to open and respond.











thanks



3



Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:05 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Jim,

I’m sorry you’re still having this problem, as this can be quite
frustorating! Jim, if we had an idea is to what MS has already done on your
PC, we could at least alimanate some suggestions. I could say you could use
the reset feature, in which you would have the option to save your files or
remove them, and a fresh Windows would download, but then again, some of
your files could be causing you from downloading, so we don’t know if that
would help. I’m not really too familiar with Windows Ten, but I’m learning!
From my understanding, if you reset your PC and keep files,

This reset option will reinstall Windows 10 and keeps your personal files,
such as photos, music, videos or personal files. However, it will remove
apps and drivers you installed, and also removes the changes you made to the
settings. I think using the reset option, it can take maybe two or three
hours, if you decide to keep your files during the reset process. I also
think third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes,
or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC though. I hope at least
this gives you something to think about, if MS hasn’t already done this.





Janet









From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?





Hi all, my computer won’t update, and hasn’t in months. Microsoft has tried
to fix the problem and they say they can’t fix the problem. So what if I
reset this computer to factory settings, would it eliminate problems like
this? I of course would have to store the programs I have now, but that can
be done. Anyway, I need your thoughts. I am running windows ten and jaws 18,
because I can’t install 2019, or 2020. Jim

































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