Re: the reason I decided to leave things alone instead of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.


Janet
 

Jim,
Well, I told myself just last night before I went to bed, I will not even turn on my Win 7 or Win 10 when I get up tomorrow, but low in behold, that was one of the first things I did. I call that determination! LOL! I turned on Win 7 as I am backing up thousands and thousands of files from Win 7 to an external drive, before Win 7 just might crash at least I will have my files backed up. I've already played around with Win 10, but because JAWS isn't talking well, I can't do much with Win 10 until JAWS gets it together, but I'm sure I will need to call FS tomorrow, as this is really just getting on my last nerve! Although, I have to admit, my Win 7 desktop is running much faster than my Win 10, as well as JAWS seems to be much more relaxed! I know I have to try and get used to my new Laptop, but so far, I don't care for Laptops at all, but like I said, I have a long way to go with it.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2021 4:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

Janet, I couldn't agree with you more. I keep saying that I'm tired of
messing with this computer, and I am, but I just can't leave it alone till
the problem gets solved. So, we shall muddle through, as the British say.
Jim

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 3:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

Jim,
Did you ever hear of the expression learn the hard way? Well, I think that
is exactly what we are doing! Smile! I also have much better things to do
with my time other than playing around with Win, but because today's tech is
so important to us as blind people, we do have to take the time to learn.
Even though, I say I need a break from Windows, I am determent to figure out
what happened to my so called Win 10. Although, I know it came from a
previous update, I'm going to fine this .... problem! LOL! If not, maybe
I'll do the reset, because at this point, I'm quite annoyed with this all!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2021 4:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

I have other things to do in my life than to keep messing with this. but of
course I willkeepp doing just that.
Jim

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 1:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

HI Jim,
Another story! Smile! Well, I turned on my Win 10 today, and sure enough,
here comes more updates. Ok, I once again attempt to download, and get the
message error files missing from previous update you can't update. Ok, here
I go again with this .... again. So I wait just a couple minutes thinking
what in the hell am I going to do with this. Ok, once again, I get the
message asking me if I want to try the update again, and I agree to do so,
so the .... started downloading, and this time it took close to an hour, and
then it restarted on it's own, although, it would always say I need to
restart to complete the download, but not this time. Well, now JAWS has a
speech impediment once again. Jim, I am seriously thinking your problem is
definitely coming from an update you must have tried to update before, and
as I said, this is common with Windows. Some people never have this
problem, and some people do. I also think MS knows this, but they aren't
going to tell you one of their updates corrupted your system. I do know for
a fact this can and has happened, but I never had this to happen to me
though, so I really never paid close attention to how Windows can really
effect someone's PC. Maybe this answers our question why MS keeps saying
there isn't anything they can do. I also heard when MS sends out updates,
Laptops are the last ones to get them, as well as they send updates to
people who haven't had previous problems in downloading their updates. I'm
going to research this further as I want to know more about this. As far as
my Win 10, I'm going to have to go back to the Geek squad, because I want
someone to tell me exactly what is this problem. There are some options
that you could do if you really wanted to, but it does involve quite a bit,
and I don't know if you would want to go through all that, I know I sure
wouldn't. I definitely do believe a reset would make a big difference, but
then again, there is know guarantee though, and you just might end up with
no PC.
Janet

Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2021 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

HI Janet, I Appreciate your story, and can understand you wanting to throw
the damn thing out the window. I feel the same way about this one. And, yes,
I get a message that there are pdates to install, so I gtell it to go ahead
and do them. And I then get a message after a little while that windows
couldn't update this computer. So I know that tomorrow we get to do it all
again. Ain't it fun?Computers are a must in everyone's life now, yet, I
taught public school for 33 years just fine with one. I was the only blind
teacher the Covina school district had. I had an internet radio show on the
global voice until this thing started to act up. Now it's so unreliable that
I can't depened on it foar anything. I sure hope things settle down with it
soon, Jim
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 4:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

Jim,
Ok, it looks like I can now send as well as reply to the list.
Jim I'm going to share a story with you about what happened to me with my
Windows 10 Laptop. Just last Friday I turned on my Win 10 after not having
it turned on well over a week, the first thing I did after turning it on,
was to check for updates. Well, I did have some updates, and yes I did
update, and it took at least 2 hours to complete the update, so I restarted
the PC, and it came back up with a message saying I had an update for JAWS.
Ok, now I updated JAWS, and once again restarted the PC. Needless to say my
nightmare was about to begin. My PC was a total mess, meaning I couldn't do
anything with it even though, I tried working on it all day Friday and half
the day Saturday, as well as working to get JAWS to speak so I could
understand what he was saying. I finally lost my patience, and turned that
.... thing off. I couldn't understand JAWS at all, and the PC was so slow I
couldn't do anything with it. I felt like just throwing the PC out the
window, and believe me I came very close to doing that, but instead, I just
turned it off, and I didn't bother with it until this last Tuesday. Ok now,
Tuesday I turned it on to see if I could do anything with it, but again, I
couldn't, so I checked for updates, and once again, here comes more updates,
and yes I updated it, and I couldn't believe that update took exactly 4
hours to update, and sometimes JAWS would speak the percentage of the
update, and then JAWS would just get tired, and he would stop speaking, so I
didn't know what was going on, and being as curious as I am, I would press
the insert key plus the letter t for the title bar just so I would hear what
JAWS has to say, and then he would speak the percentage for awhile, and he
would once again stop, but my point is the update kept updating, in which
was fine for me, but I was ready to plug in my Laptop charger as I was
concerned the Laptop batteries would just die, but finally the .... finished
updating, and I had to restart so the PC could finish the complete update.
Well, needless to say, that really blew me away, as I never seen an update
take a total of 4 hours, in which that tells me something was most
definitely wrong with the previous update, and the PC was repairing the
corrupted update, and then downloaded the clean update. I've been working
with desktop computers as well as with JAWS for 30 years, and I've never
came across this. This was a first one for me. Ok now, today I turned on
my Win 10 again, and once again I checked for updates. Well now, more
updates to download, as I attempted to download the update, I got a message
saying there is an error and I'm missing some files, and I can't update, I
had no idea what was going on now, so I press the ok button to accept the
error message, and I waited for a few minutes, and I attempted the updates
again, and this time for what ever reason the damn thing finally downloaded
the update, and once again restarted the Laptop, and I waited for close to
an hour, and I just shut it off, and so far, it is working fine! So as you
can see Jim there are several different reasons things like this happen, but
I have no idea why. The reasons why I asked you the questions I asked you
earlier was to be for sure when you attempted to download an update your
updates could have easily gotten corrupted, and if you weren't paying close
attention, you might have not noticed that. It's really strainge because
earlier I was thinking that is what happened to your PC, and believe it or
not, that samething is what happened to me just today. Smile! These things
can and do often happen with Win updates. -----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 4:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

Well, I wait for 20 minutes or so, and I figure it's stuck.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 12:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

Jim,
Ok this is also good to know, as it seems like you are a couple versions
behind though. Now, this might sound like a stupid question, how do you
know the download is stuck?

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 2:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

I received it in 2017.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 12:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

Jim,
Ok, this is good to know. Now, when did you get this PC?

Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 2:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

Yes.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 12:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

Jim,
Wow, did you say your version of Windows is 1909?
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 2:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

Janet, Microsoft tried to put on the latest version of windows, which is
2032 I think. Anyway, the installation failed, so I still have windows 1909
on this computer. So I wonder if I tried to install a clean install of
windows, if the same thing would happen, and the installation would fail.
What do you think? How would you go about installing a clean version of
windows? The other day when I talked to the lady from Hellen Keller
foundation, she was reluctant to let me have a copy of my office program,
so I would have to find it somewhere, unless there is a way to back up the
one I have. Any comments here are appreciated. Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 11:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

Hi Gene,
I can't understand why MS Disability didn't perform a reset themselves, or
did they. I haven't heard anything about what MS said as to why they can't
do anything, or what did they check, what did they find. The only times
I've had any problems downloading something, is because of my virus
protection, or even just because of my firewall settings, in which I just
turned them off, and tried the download again, and sure enough the download
went through, and I quickly turned on my firewall as well as my virus
protection. Although, I would think MS looked at all that.
Janet .

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2021 8:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.

Why not use reset? it saves work and if it doesn't work you can always
reinstall from scratch. But why not try this method of having a completely
clean copy of Windows first?

Then again is it worth doing any of this if you are going to get a new
computer in three months? Use other programs for the ones you can't use now

and we still ddon't know if you can get security updates for the version of
Windows you are running.

When you get the new computer, you may want to experiment with the old one
but is it worth the inconvenience now?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 5:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.



I still sayl, as I have from the outset, install Windows 10 from scratch.
That means initializing the disk. Of course you'll want to back everything
up frirst, which maybe by now is no longer possible, only you would know
this.




On 3/31/2021 3:31 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:


Absolutely, but lately, not.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Loy
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 7:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead
of installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.







Hi Jim,



Have you ever been able to install a program on your computer? If not, it
could be the organization you got the computer from did not set it up where
you would have administrative rights. Just a thought.











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From: Jim Rawls



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 7:22 PM



Subject: [TechTalk] the reason I decided to leave things alone instead of
installing a clean install of windows. on my computer.







Hi all,

When Microsoft tried to install windows 2032 or whatever the latest version
of windows ten is, the installation failed. So I think Bill white is right.
I have a hardware issue on my computer. Jim

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