Re: Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount


I've never thought of the cane as a symbol of my independence.  I've always used it because I need it.  It's like wearing shoes.


On May 6, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

In that case, I would be far more willing to pay 200 dollars for a device that warnsmeof such things than 750 dollars for a device that does a lot of other things if a much cheaper device could be made that works well.  But how many good cane users do you think will be willing to spend 750 dollars for this device?  Those who aren’t good cane users may. 
If I had such a device, just as automobiles have spare tires, I wouldn’t go out without a folding cane with me for emergencies.  It just isn’t prudent.  And reasonable cane skills should not be discouraged to be developed, whether people use them or not.  You don’t stop walking when you get a car.  You shouldn’t put yourself in the position of not being able to function if the device stops unexpectedly. 
And, as I said, one reason I had such a strong reaction to the device initially is how it is being advertised to us.  This is not the way to advertise such a device and have it be properly considered by a lot of people.  Hype or not, this sounds like the same kind of hype we’ve heard for years.  Less hype and more concrete information in releases made to the public and on the web site might help its reception considerably.  And I saw nothing on the web site where these various podcasts are linked to.  The web site has a FAQ but it is not nearly adequate because it doesn’t deal at all with the kinds of questions being asked here.  And they should have material on Youtube.
And even the way the discount is being offered is in a high pressure manner.  Intended or not, that will breed distrust as well.  This is a quote from the offer:
Hurry, this is a limited-time offer with time running out! Once 1,000 STRAP devices are sold, this special pricing will end.
Save $250 Today!
This offer is the first text on the home page after the navigation links.  It does not engender confidence in the company.  You don’t introduce a product on the web site of the company in this way. 
Those who want the product to succeed should contact the developers and discuss these things.  they are making very bad mistakes in their approach which will alienate a lot of people or make a lot of people far more skeptical than if the product were presented in the proper way.
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From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

I am a Tall man, and I find that most Tree Branches that are over Walk ways are often cut to a height of about 6 ft.  Bushes and tree limbs are something I meet more than I would like.  On regular routes I walk, I will go out very early in the morning and Clip off those low hanging limbs when no one is looking. 


Can't do this every where, but I at least cleared those areas where I walk regularly. 

Grumpy Dave
On 5/6/2021 1:06 AM, Gene wrote:
A competent cane user knows how to swing a cane.  That is one of the first things he/she is taught and a good instructor emphasizes correct technique.  It becomes pretty much automatic, varied at times if necessary. 
There have been devices for decades that alert blind people to obstacles above the level a cane covers.  I haven’t looked into them so I don’t know if this device does any better.  While I would like such coverage, I have had so little problem with such higher obstacles that I haven’t pursued the option.  But I have no objedction to such a device.  I objectt to trying to replace the cane and to trying to make you not look blind.  Also, I didn’t mention that automobile drivers may be more careful if they see a cane or a dog.  I would feel safer crossing a street identified as a blind person.
Also, I might be safer.  Mhy brother tells the story about one evening when my brothers’ family and I were out to dinner.  Some gang members looked as though they might come over to rob us.  When they saw my cane, the head of the group signaled not to do so.  So I may be safer from crime if people know I’m blind. 
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Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

I’m sorry, but I completely disagree.


A cane will only cover you from your belly button down and you’d better hope that you are swinging the right way, otherwise it doesn’t even do that.


If we have no innovation, this means that we are happy to just continue as we have done with an aid which has been around for over 100 years.


Imagine if we took the same approach with all other innovations in society, no phones, no new treatments, no advancements in any technology, no cars, no eftpos or other similar machines. For the sake of your argument, let’s remove anything that has been innovative since the cane has been a part of our lives and go back to the way it all was before that, because having some forward thinking and innovation doesn’t matter to you.


As I said before, do I think that this will replace the cane? No. What I’m saying is that we need to move forward from what we currently have and not just thumb our noses at a company that is trying to move things forward in a different way.


Finally, I go through at least 3 or 4 canes per year, so $250 is quite reasonable for my opinion. Should those who pay over $5000 for a braille display or other products not do so because of cost? Your argument on cost is ridiculous, in my opinion. Perhaps your one of these individuals that goes through a cane every five years. Who knows.




From: On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount


And I just thought of another reason that this device is a bad idea.  It is safer to be seen and known to be a blind person.  Perhaps you will get assistance more easily when you want it such as when crossing a street with turning arrows and a lot of high speed traffic.  [Perhaps you will have an easier time getting directions.  When I walk into a store, if service people see the cane, they will offer help.  How will they know I am blind as easily and as quickly if it isn’t made clear by a cane or a dog?  If you don’t have a cane, people won’t know you are blind.  This strikes me as an attempt to hide a person’s blindness.  I don’t want to hide it.  I am what I am and it shouldn’t be hidden.



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From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:39 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount


The car and horse analogy doesn’t apply.  The advantages are obvious of a car.  What advantage does the cane replacement company offer?  Only one, that you can travel hands free.  I don’t consider that worht spending 250 dollars for. 


You yourself say that a dog gives you less information about your environment.  People may be satisfied with that and that’s their choice but I really doubt that you are going to find many competent cane users who will substitute a 250 dollar device for a thirty-five dollar device when the 35 dollar device gives them more information.  and people who use a dog may have reasons they are willing to accept less information.  There are reasons people prefer dogs.  But this is not a discussion about replacing dogs with this device.  The device is offered as a replacement for the cane.  I doubt many competent cane users will pay 250 dollars for a device that probably gives them less information. 


I have no trouble carrying what I want to carry with one hand using a cane.  I use larger bags.  Others may prefer a back pack.  


As far as things like the cane breaking or a tip falling off, I’ve been traveling with canes for about fifty years and such things have almost never happened.  And you have no basis to assume that this device will be as reliable.  What if you forget to charge it.  Is the battery user replaceable?  If not, how much will it cost to replace it? 


And any prudent blind person who doesn’t use a dog should be a skilled cane user anyway so that in case of trouble with the device, he/she can switch to a low tech device that works very well while the problem is corrected.  I have an emergency cane.  Having two canes costs me perhaps sixty dollars.  People aren’t going to have two of these devices when they cost 250 dollars. 


As I said, I don’t object to a device that informs me about obstacles above the lefvel of the cane.  I do object to the attitude that the cane should be replaced and likely by something inferior. 



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From: Nimer Jaber

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:16 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount


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People said the same thing that you're saying about horses, too. And yet, we are now driving cars.


Guide dogs already take away much of what the cane gives you, and dog users are quite content being dog users. With a dog, blind people go around obstacles, they don't interact with every obstacle in their path.


Does it count when a blind person disparages the cane and says that we need more innovation in the space to get rid of the bloody thing? Because I am one of those blind people.


Does it count that I want to be able to travel unencumbered with both hands free?


Does it count if I want to not worry about whether someone trips over my cane and breaks it? Or if the tip flies off the cane?


Does it matter if I don't want to worry about what happens to my upper body because that trusty cane doesn't protect it while I'm walking? Because believe me, running into scaffolding bloody hurts, and yes, I've done it.


Does it matter if I want to be able to actually walk in a straight line? Because, short of tapping against a wall or grass line, there isn't a way to do it with a cane.


Does it matter if I wish to traverse through a crowded downtown area, or any crowded environment without running into many things?


Does it matter if I want to be inconspicuous, and not be asked whether I, a poor blind man, require assistance to wipe my ass? Because that is essentially what happens to every single blind person I know. I am not approached about my work. I am not approached about my appearance. I am not approached about my shoes. I am not approached about anything except my blindness and someone wanting to help me because they think I am making a mistake trying to cross a street.


So, sorry, but we definitely need a cane replacement, in my view, and any blind person disagreeing is, frankly, a complete and utter fool. And, I would ask blind people to support the effort instead of shitting on it, because developers should be encouraged to innovate, not be discouraged by stupid posts like the one I've just read.


Does that mean that Strap will, indeed, replace the cane? I don't know, probably not. But it's a much better attempt than we've seen so far, with others trying to reinvent the cane by making it heavier and adding sensors to it.


So, I would say, support the effort. Stand by and watch, if you wish. But don't get in the way of what is possibly the most progress we've seen in a long time. We have cars that zoom on the roads autonomously. We have planes that can take off and land themselves. We have trains that can do the same, with minimal to no human interaction. We have probes going into deep space sending back pictures of Mars. And yet, the best the blind people can do, is fight to use their canes, and say they're proud of their canes.


I say again, if you don't or can't help, and you don't support the effort, with the nicest and most respectful intent possible, get the hell out of the way, sit down and shut up, and don't stop innovation and progress.


And with that, I will no longer engage in this thread, because I can see that more stupidity will be posted, and more people will come out proud to be carrying a stick.


On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 11:57 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Isn’t it interesting how the cane is not respected and disparaged because blind people use it?  I don’t see people trying to eliminate cars because unassisted movement is a right and is superior.


I’d like to see how expensive this device is.  I’d like to see how long it runs on a charge.  I’d like to see if it gives me information about my nearby environment such as where a doorway is to a building or where there is grass to my left and where that grass is interrupted by a driveway, which may be necessary for me to find with my cane to know where I turn to move toward a building and the counting of driveways and walkways may be necessary for me to know when I’m turning at the right place. 


Device after device has been made and they have none of them been widely adopted.  Maybe there is a reason.


Blindness is considered a tragedy and the ways blind people do things are often disparaged, guilt by association.  Some ways blind people do things are neutral, some inferior, some superior.  Will it be replaced at some point by something superior?  Who knows.  but its persistence and wide use should give those who chaff at the bit to eliminate it pause.


As G.K. Chesterton said:

“Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.”



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Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 1:39 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount


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