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Re: opening two documents
Gene
In which program? You can open two documents in all Windows
programs for working with documents I know of.
Gene
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From: Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 3:37 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] opening two documents Hello, The subject almost says what I need. I wish to open two documents simultaneously. I need to move information between them. I use Win 10.Is there a way to do this? Joe Giovanelli
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Re: opening two documents
Carolyn Arnold
Joe Joe, if you have JAWS and Windows:
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1. Press Windows M That puts the open program you are working in on the Taskbar. 2. Open whatever you want to open. 3. Alt+Tab to go to the first one; Alt+Tab to go to the second one. 4. You'll have to close each program separately.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Giovanelli Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 4:37 PM To: techtalk@groups.io Subject: [TechTalk] opening two documents Hello, The subject almost says what I need. I wish to open two documents simultaneously. I need to move information between them. I use Win 10.Is there a way to do this? Joe Giovanelli
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Re: opening two documents
Blaster
Yes, Just remember you need to open the second document from outside
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of the main document. For instance, If your in notepad and you have a file open, then go to the pulldown menu and try to open the second document it will assume you want to close the first document and open the second. Open your first document and then navigate to the second document and open it in the same way as you did the first and a second instance of the program will appear with the second document. Then as described in the last post, use alt tab switching to jump back and forth between the documents, using cut, copy and paste along the way. Alt Tab switching works like this, Press the ALT key and hold it while tapping the TAB key. With each TAB key press you'll hear the name of your open programs. Releasing the keys will place you on that open program. Once you've established a jump between the first and second document, all you need to do is a quick ALT key press with one tap of the TAB key press followed by releasing the keys, to toggle back and forth between the two documents. HTH, Blaster
On 7/31/21, gbmagoo@gmail.com <gbmagoo@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you doing copy paste?
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Re: opening two documents
gbmagoo@...
Are you doing copy paste?
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If so you can open both and alt tab between and do your copy from one and paste in the other. You can also do cut and paste
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Giovanelli Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 13:37 To: techtalk@groups.io Subject: [TechTalk] opening two documents Hello, The subject almost says what I need. I wish to open two documents simultaneously. I need to move information between them. I use Win 10.Is there a way to do this? Joe Giovanelli
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opening two documents
Joe Giovanelli
Hello,
The subject almost says what I need. I wish to open two documents simultaneously. I need to move information between them. I use Win 10.Is there a way to do this? Joe Giovanelli
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Re: Info about Pen Friend
Marie Nelson
This is not Marilyn, but would appreciate info from a user of the Way
Around system. How is it more versatile? Also, does it provide different labels
such as the laundry labels which are fantastic for labeling clothing.
Thanks, Marie
From: chris judge
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 1:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Info about Pen Friend Hi Marilyn.
Just a question. Do you use a smart phone? If so, you might want to consider the way around labelling system, much more versatile. If you want more info please ask.
Chris Judge
From:
main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Marilyn and Don Bilderback
My Pen Friend finally bit the dust after years of almost daily use. Now I can’t independently pick out my own clothes. I sure miss that thing!
Anyone use the new Pen Friend, I think it is called the 3.
I would appreciate any information from users about how they like it or what doesn’t work. It says it takes 3 to 6 weeks to come and you order from Maxi Aids. Any other sellers of this product? Either the price has gone up a lot or I surely don’t remember the cost being so high. Sounds like it comes from the UK.
This is one item I have gotten much use out of. It makes me mad that I heard you can’t use the labels with the new one.
Help me make up my mind whether to order another Pen Friend. Thanks much. Marilyn
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Re: Email Question
Sugar Lopez
John
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I use Imap and love it Thanks Shelly, you should try it Sugar “How lucky I am to have something that makes saying goodbye so hard.” - - Winnie the Pooh Please walk with me through a second chance of life: https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey -Sugar, ❤😘
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 8:07 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question Hey Shelly Then y if you decide to go with imap, everything will be easy! That's exactly what it does by default. John -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shelly Kane Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 5:31 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question John: Thanks for getting back to me. I think I told you that I hit Control Enter to send a message and to begin a message, I hit Control N. As to the folders, I like all of my mail to go into the in box. When I delete a message, I have it go into the trash folder and then when there is a lot, I delete them totally from that folder and they come off the computer. I don't like to plug my computer up with messages. I also have a sent folder that the message I send fall into. When I start a message and can't finish it, it goes to the drafts folder and then I can go back to it after I save it. That's all of the folders I want. Shelly On 7/30/2021 4:10 PM, John Holcomb II wrote: Hey Shelly,
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Re: Email Question
Curtis Delzer
well that is because SF uses conventional menus for most everything, and that was many years ago. :)
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On 7/31/2021 8:08 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:
Ah see, the only one I’ve ever heard produced what was Jonathon Moson’s Sound Forge 4.5 one . --
Curtis Delzer HS K 6 V F O Rialto, CA curtis@calweb.com
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Re: Email Question
Gene
The things you are describing are no different. You still have about
the same folders, messages still go into the inbox, commands remain exactly the
same. All IMAP is is a different way of storing and viewing mail the
interface is the same.
And there may be an advantage in using IMAP no one has spoken of. I
can’t discuss other e-mail services but I would expect this to be true in
general. Before I used IMAP with GMail, I had to look on the web site at
my spam folder, provided by GMail itself to show spam before it even reached my
e-mail program. Now, using IMAP, any folder used by my server for my
account is accessible to me using my e-mail program. I can look at the
spam folder without going online and looking in my account.
I’ve heard about people accumulating thousands of messages in their inboxes
using GMail that they want to get rid of. If you delete messages using the
delete key on your e-mail program, they will be sent to trash. They are
deleted from there thirty days after their arrival so you need do nothing.
If you use shift delete, the message is completely removed, it doesn’t go to the
trash folder.
In short, IMAP makes management easier because things people have to do
with POP3 accounts on the web site of GMail and perhaps with other services can
be done directly from your e-mail program.
So even if you don’t have the uses that have been discussed to this point
for IMAP, what I’ve discussed are other reasons to consider it. I’ll add
one more:
I see messages from time to time on various lists from people who are
moving to another computer. They want to know how to take their e-mail
with them. If you use IMAP, any computer you use with an IMAP account will
show all the same e-mail. There is no need to transfer mail from one
computer to another.
The only disadvantage I know of to an IMAP account is that some e-mail programs don’t let you set up message rules in the program for IMAP accounts so you have to do so on the web site itself. Those who have done so may wish to discuss this further. Gene
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Hey
Shelly Then y if you decide to go with imap, everything will be easy! That's exactly what it does by default. John -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shelly Kane Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 5:31 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question John: Thanks for getting back to me. I think I told you that I hit Control Enter to send a message and to begin a message, I hit Control N. As to the folders, I like all of my mail to go into the in box. When I delete a message, I have it go into the trash folder and then when there is a lot, I delete them totally from that folder and they come off the computer. I don't like to plug my computer up with messages. I also have a sent folder that the message I send fall into. When I start a message and can't finish it, it goes to the drafts folder and then I can go back to it after I save it. That's all of the folders I want. Shelly On 7/30/2021 4:10 PM, John Holcomb II wrote: > Hey Shelly, > Like ok right now. > Do you have rules set up so that certain mail go into certain folders? > > The keystrokes to send a message will remain the same no matter which protocol you use, pop3 or imap. > Because you see, the keystroke you use to send the message is one that is built into the program. > Does that make sense ? > Once you answer the question about folders, I can direct you further. > Glad to help in any way that I can! > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of > Shelly Kane > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 8:00 PM > To: main@TechTalk.groups.io > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question > > John: > > > No, no one explained iMap the way you just did. I'm not tech savvy at > all so I'm lucky that I can do the things I can. The question I have > is when I set up iMap, will it look my folders in Thunderbird that I > have set up now? When I open the program, I download my mail and then > I hit > F6 to see a list of my folders and I hit tab and then it says filter messages and then I can do my business and go down the list of messages. Does iMap work like that or is it more involved? My niece is sighted and usually helps me with these things. I would eventually want my mail to come off the server so it doesn't clog my devices. When I send a message, I hit Control Enter and then when I'm done, I hit Control S to send. Does this work the same way for iMap? Sorry that I have so many questions. I just need to know that things work the same way so I don't have to start all over again. If you could tell me how to set it up step by step, I could definitely do it. Thanks in advance. > > Shelly > > On 7/30/2021 6:15 AM, John Holcomb II wrote: >> Hey Shelly. >> I’m not here to decide what is best for you but let me explain something to you. >> If you use iMap then whatever happens server side will apply to every device you use at the same time. >> Let’s say you get a message on your thunderbird and open it and read it . >> Once you go to your phone, the same message will be there and it’ll be marked as read. >> Let’s say you open a message on your phone, read it , then reply to it. >> Your message will be marked as replied, you’re reply be put into a sent folder. >> Let’s say you then go to your PC. You’ll see the same message, but it’ll be marked as replied, and you’ll see it in the sent folder, just as you would on your phone. >> >> This applies to anything you do using email. >> Deleting messages, forwarding messages, creating folders, literally anything. >> See the advantage of iMap is that it doesn’t matter what device you do what on. >> I used to use Pop3 some while back, but see this is exactly why IMAP exists. >> For this very reason. For people who have and use multiple devices. >> this way you don’t have to worry about what you open where and when. >> This way you don’t have to think, hmm. Did I open the mail on my PC, is it on my phone? Where is it? >> Where is the reply?: >> It also just makes managing mail a lot easier. >> IMAP is made for multiple device/web access. >> >> No mattter if you do these things on your thunderbird, or your phone, or the web interface, the server will keep track of everything that is done and it’ll be mirrored across devices. I did read the thread, but not sure if anyone explains in greater detail the advantages of imap. >> In case they didn’t, that’s why i wrote you here. >> I’d personally a advise you switch to iMap with your mails. It’ll make life a lot easier for you, in my opinion. >> >> Take care, >> John >> >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:57 AM, Shelly Kane <shellykane323@...> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you so much for explaining this to me. I use a pop3 account and have for years. Now at least I understand what's going on. I wouldn't use my phone that much for email. I was just looking into it. If I don't download my mail right away onto Thunderbird, I can see it on the web or my phone. I have no idea how to use IMap so I would rather stick with the pop3 which I know. Thanks so much for your help. >>> >>> Shelly >>> >>>> On 7/29/2021 7:51 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote: >>>> Hi There, >>>> >>>> You must have your mail account set to imap for this to woork properly. Imap will automatically leave a copy on the server of all received mail. With pop3, all e-mail is downloaded just one time and nothing is left on the server. >>>> I forget what mail account you have, so i can't help any more than that. >>>> >>>>> On 7/29/2021 4:28 AM, Shelly Kane wrote: >>>>> Hi Group: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have a complicated question about my email and hope someone can answer this. I tried putting my email account on my phone last night so I can start looking at it and not get on the computer all the time. So after I got it all set up, it worked great. The mail downloaded just fine and I wanted to make sure it still worked in Thunderbird because I use the computer more. It downloaded in Thunderbird just fine but here's the problem. When I went back on the phone to see if the mail was in both places, Thunderbird blocked it. My phone had no email on there. It was wiped clean. This happens also when I download mail into Thunderbird and I go to my gmail account on the web you can't see the mail on google either if it's already in Thunderbird. Do any of you know why this keeps happening and is there anything simple I can do about it? Thanks in advance for any help. >>>>> >>>>> Shelly >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> . > > > > > > > > > > > .
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Re: Email Question
John Holcomb II
Ah see, the only one I’ve ever heard produced what was Jonathon Moson’s Sound Forge 4.5 one . John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 3:56 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question
John, even tutorials produced by blind people, for blind people, do not use the jaws virtual menu options. Take the excellent courses that Brian Hartgen produces on using word, outlook, power point and others, do not use the virtual ribbon option.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
So Jaws actually changes the ribbons? And it introduces its own keystrokes? Is that why it wouldn’t work as affectively if you are trying to view a generalized tutorial ? John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Windows 10 uses ribbons in important parts of its interface. if you get a Windows tutorial or a Word tutorial they generally use ribbons, not JAWS virtual ribbons.
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Gene, Your first point is t the one that I don’t understand. How would using a tutorial be harder to use? Thanks, John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
I'm not writing this to argue about what you should do. But because of the amount of worry about ribbons, I'll say the following to those considering what to do: If you use JAWS virtual menus, you are making tutorials that use ribbons, and they generally do, harder or much harder to use.
For anyone considering what to do, please read the article I sent. Ribbons do speak more But once you have looked through the ribbon, you can interrupt speech and continue to move, just as you do in general when something is telling you information you don't want to hear. In my opinion, the advantages of using real ribbons far outweigh less speech in the JAWS virtual menus. Also, because ribbons talk more and have a lot more items in them, you can save a lot of time going through ribbons by using fast movement commands that I discuss in my tutorial. My point is that in some ways, menus may be more pleasant to use but once you get used to ribbons and learn short cut commands, they shouldn't be more inefficient to use enough to amount to much.
Gene 7/30/2021 5:10 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
> Hey Shelly, Like ok right now. Do you have rules set up so that > certain mail go into certain folders? > > The keystrokes to send a message will remain the same no matter which > protocol you use, pop3 or imap. Because you see, the keystroke you > use to send the message is one that is built into the program. Does > that make sense ? Once you answer the question about folders, I can > direct you further. Glad to help in any way that I can! John > > > -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io > mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Shelly Kane Sent: Friday, July > 30, 2021 8:00 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] > Email Question > > John: > > > No, no one explained iMap the way you just did. I'm not tech savvy > at all so I'm lucky that I can do the things I can. The question I > have is when I set up iMap, will it look my folders in Thunderbird > that I have set up now? When I open the program, I download my mail > and then I hit F6 to see a list of my folders and I hit tab and then > it says filter messages and then I can do my business and go down the > list of messages. Does iMap work like that or is it more involved? > My niece is sighted and usually helps me with these things. I would > eventually want my mail to come off the server so it doesn't clog my > devices. When I send a message, I hit Control Enter and then when > I'm done, I hit Control S to send. Does this work the same way for > iMap? Sorry that I have so many questions. I just need to know that > things work the same way so I don't have to start all over again. If > you could tell me how to set it up step by step, I could definitely > do it. Thanks in advance. > > Shelly > > On 7/30/2021 6:15 AM, John Holcomb II wrote: >> Hey Shelly. I’m not here to decide what is best for you but let me >> explain something to you. If you use iMap then whatever happens >> server side will apply to every device you use at the same time. >> Let’s say you get a message on your thunderbird and open it and >> read it . Once you go to your phone, the same message will be >> there and it’ll be marked as read. Let’s say you open a message on >> your phone, read it , then reply to it. Your message will be marked >> as replied, you’re reply be put into a sent folder. Let’s say >> you then go to your PC. You’ll see the same message, but it’ll be >> marked as replied, and you’ll see it in the sent folder, just as >> you would on your phone. >> >> This applies to anything you do using email. Deleting messages, >> forwarding messages, creating folders, literally anything. See the >> advantage of iMap is that it doesn’t matter what device you do what >> on. I used to use Pop3 some while back, but see this is exactly >> why IMAP exists. For this very reason. For people who have and use >> multiple devices. this way you don’t have to worry about what you >> open where and when. This way you don’t have to think, hmm. Did I >> open the mail on my PC, is it on my phone? Where is it? Where is >> the reply?: It also just makes managing mail a lot easier. IMAP is >> made for multiple device/web access. >> >> No mattter if you do these things on your thunderbird, or your >> phone, or the web interface, the server will keep track of >> everything that is done and it’ll be mirrored across devices. I >> did read the thread, but not sure if anyone explains in greater >> detail the advantages of imap. In case they didn’t, that’s why i >> wrote you here. I’d personally a advise you switch to iMap with >> your mails. It’ll make life a lot easier for you, in my opinion. >> >> Take care, John >> >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:57 AM, Shelly Kane >>> mailto:shellykane323@... wrote: >>> >>> Thank you so much for explaining this to me. I use a pop3 >>> account and have for years. Now at least I understand what's >>> going on. I wouldn't use my phone that much for email. I was >>> just looking into it. If I don't download my mail right away >>> onto Thunderbird, I can see it on the web or my phone. I have no >>> idea how to use IMap so I would rather stick with the pop3 which >>> I know. Thanks so much for your help. >>> >>> Shelly >>> >>>> On 7/29/2021 7:51 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote: Hi There, >>>> >>>> You must have your mail account set to imap for this to woork >>>> properly. Imap will automatically leave a copy on the server >>>> of all received mail. With pop3, all e-mail is downloaded just >>>> one time and nothing is left on the server. I forget what mail >>>> account you have, so i can't help any more than that. >>>> >>>>> On 7/29/2021 4:28 AM, Shelly Kane wrote: Hi Group: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have a complicated question about my email and hope someone >>>>> can answer this. I tried putting my email account on my >>>>> phone last night so I can start looking at it and not get on >>>>> the computer all the time. So after I got it all set up, it >>>>> worked great. The mail downloaded just fine and I wanted to >>>>> make sure it still worked in Thunderbird because I use the >>>>> computer more. It downloaded in Thunderbird just fine but >>>>> here's the problem. When I went back on the phone to see if >>>>> the mail was in both places, Thunderbird blocked it. My >>>>> phone had no email on there. It was wiped clean. This >>>>> happens also when I download mail into Thunderbird and I go >>>>> to my gmail account on the web you can't see the mail on >>>>> google either if it's already in Thunderbird. Do any of you >>>>> know why this keeps happening and is there anything simple I >>>>> can do about it? Thanks in advance for any help. >>>>> >>>>> Shelly >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> . > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: Email Question
John Holcomb II
Hey Shelly
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Then y if you decide to go with imap, everything will be easy! That's exactly what it does by default. John
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shelly Kane Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 5:31 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question John: Thanks for getting back to me. I think I told you that I hit Control Enter to send a message and to begin a message, I hit Control N. As to the folders, I like all of my mail to go into the in box. When I delete a message, I have it go into the trash folder and then when there is a lot, I delete them totally from that folder and they come off the computer. I don't like to plug my computer up with messages. I also have a sent folder that the message I send fall into. When I start a message and can't finish it, it goes to the drafts folder and then I can go back to it after I save it. That's all of the folders I want. Shelly On 7/30/2021 4:10 PM, John Holcomb II wrote: Hey Shelly,
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Re: windows 10 with jaws
Ann Parsons
Hi all,
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Interesting, and probably true. Once I realized that I was looking at a menu which combined the old drop-down menus with the toolbars, all the mystery was gone for me. As I said before, the fact that a ribbon menu is horizontal shouldn't affect a blind person's understanding at all because he or she is still working with a feature which is voiced, and it is not germain to talk about how ribbons are horizontal instead of vertical; unless the student is a visual learner. I think the only way to remove the fear of ribbons is to work with them. Oh, not using Jaws Virtual Ribbons, though these are good, and often useful if you want to do something quick, but working with the ribbons as they appear on the screen. Once you've tabbed through the options on a ribbon, you all of a sudden realize that this is the same group of options you had before. It's just arranged differently. Everything you want to do with your program is still there. One word about commands, many of your old commands from windows7 still work. Ctrl-s saves. Alt-f4 still closes programs. Ctrl-2 still changes line spacing in Word. Alt-s still sends messages in Outlook. Ctrl-o still opens files. It's the same tune, different variation. Ann P. Original message:
I think one reason is that ribbons may not be clear in terms of how they The word from people who have such experiences spreads from them If there had been some sort of utopian way to send good help in the form Gene It's amazing to me that a word, one simple word can cause such angst, <smiling> Original message: Really there’s a ribene disabler? What is that n and how odes it work? Thanks, John From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin and all, thanks for your input and we will definitely be in I think the main problem my friend is having is what I am having I realize there have been disagreements in the group about people's Joanne From: Marvin Hunkin <mailto:startrektech@techie.com> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 4:08 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> Subject: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws h. if you want to e-mail me and tell me what problems or issues. Been Or what about the fs reader training about windows. That is for If you need help. Happy to help. Ps: don’t know of any programs which will have a shell like windows 7. Just learn to use windows 10. Marvin. --
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Re: Exercise bike question regarding technology
Gerald Levy
Sorry to disappoint you, but I am not aware of any exercise bike on the market that has a monitor with speech output. Indeed, the more expensive an exercise bike is, the less blind friendly it is likely to be. I suggest that you consider an old-fashioned upright exercise bike with chain drive and mechanical friction resistance and forget about the monitor and and use an ineexpensive talking countdown timer to keep track of your workout and listen to music or TV while you are working out to keep you motivated. I have a Sunny Fitness SF-B1203 upright exercise bike with chain drive and simple friction resistance which is very robust and offers a vigorous workout. Because the monitor is useless, I replaced it with a small clip-on fan to keep me cool while I'm working out. I take exercise very seriously and find that the simplest, least expensive exercise machines are usually the most blind-friendly.
Gerald
On 7/31/2021 2:49 AM, Cole wrote:
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Re: Email Question
Pamela Dominguez
I hear that! It was the same with us. Pam.
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From: Marilyn and Don Bilderback Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 3:57 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question We keep it simple and both use the same Email. No secrets after 58 years together. smile -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 12:42 PM To: main@techtalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question Tat’s not an easy question to answer. Would they both be using the same email account, or different ones? On 30 Jul 2021, at 20:40, Marilyn and Don Bilderback <djbilderback@cox.net> wrote: -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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Re: Info about Pen Friend
chris judge
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn and Don Bilderback
Sent: July 30, 2021 11:38 PM To: TECHTALK <techtalk@groups.io> Subject: [TechTalk] Info about Pen Friend
My Pen Friend finally bit the dust after years of almost daily use. Now I can’t independently pick out my own clothes. I sure miss that thing!
Anyone use the new Pen Friend, I think it is called the 3.
I would appreciate any information from users about how they like it or what doesn’t work. It says it takes 3 to 6 weeks to come and you order from Maxi Aids. Any other sellers of this product? Either the price has gone up a lot or I surely don’t remember the cost being so high. Sounds like it comes from the UK.
This is one item I have gotten much use out of. It makes me mad that I heard you can’t use the labels with the new one.
Help me make up my mind whether to order another Pen Friend. Thanks much. Marilyn
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Re: Email Question
chris judge
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: July 30, 2021 7:55 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question
So Jaws actually changes the ribbons? And it introduces its own keystrokes? Is that why it wouldn’t work as affectively if you are trying to view a generalized tutorial ? John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Windows 10 uses ribbons in important parts of its interface. if you get a Windows tutorial or a Word tutorial they generally use ribbons, not JAWS virtual ribbons.
Gene -----Original Message-----
Gene, Your first point is t the one that I don’t understand. How would using a tutorial be harder to use? Thanks, John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
I'm not writing this to argue about what you should do. But because of the amount of worry about ribbons, I'll say the following to those considering what to do: If you use JAWS virtual menus, you are making tutorials that use ribbons, and they generally do, harder or much harder to use.
For anyone considering what to do, please read the article I sent. Ribbons do speak more But once you have looked through the ribbon, you can interrupt speech and continue to move, just as you do in general when something is telling you information you don't want to hear. In my opinion, the advantages of using real ribbons far outweigh less speech in the JAWS virtual menus. Also, because ribbons talk more and have a lot more items in them, you can save a lot of time going through ribbons by using fast movement commands that I discuss in my tutorial. My point is that in some ways, menus may be more pleasant to use but once you get used to ribbons and learn short cut commands, they shouldn't be more inefficient to use enough to amount to much.
Gene 7/30/2021 5:10 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
> Hey Shelly, Like ok right now. Do you have rules set up so that > certain mail go into certain folders? > > The keystrokes to send a message will remain the same no matter which > protocol you use, pop3 or imap. Because you see, the keystroke you > use to send the message is one that is built into the program. Does > that make sense ? Once you answer the question about folders, I can > direct you further. Glad to help in any way that I can! John > > > -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io > mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Shelly Kane Sent: Friday, July > 30, 2021 8:00 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] > Email Question > > John: > > > No, no one explained iMap the way you just did. I'm not tech savvy > at all so I'm lucky that I can do the things I can. The question I > have is when I set up iMap, will it look my folders in Thunderbird > that I have set up now? When I open the program, I download my mail > and then I hit F6 to see a list of my folders and I hit tab and then > it says filter messages and then I can do my business and go down the > list of messages. Does iMap work like that or is it more involved? > My niece is sighted and usually helps me with these things. I would > eventually want my mail to come off the server so it doesn't clog my > devices. When I send a message, I hit Control Enter and then when > I'm done, I hit Control S to send. Does this work the same way for > iMap? Sorry that I have so many questions. I just need to know that > things work the same way so I don't have to start all over again. If > you could tell me how to set it up step by step, I could definitely > do it. Thanks in advance. > > Shelly > > On 7/30/2021 6:15 AM, John Holcomb II wrote: >> Hey Shelly. I’m not here to decide what is best for you but let me >> explain something to you. If you use iMap then whatever happens >> server side will apply to every device you use at the same time. >> Let’s say you get a message on your thunderbird and open it and >> read it . Once you go to your phone, the same message will be >> there and it’ll be marked as read. Let’s say you open a message on >> your phone, read it , then reply to it. Your message will be marked >> as replied, you’re reply be put into a sent folder. Let’s say >> you then go to your PC. You’ll see the same message, but it’ll be >> marked as replied, and you’ll see it in the sent folder, just as >> you would on your phone. >> >> This applies to anything you do using email. Deleting messages, >> forwarding messages, creating folders, literally anything. See the >> advantage of iMap is that it doesn’t matter what device you do what >> on. I used to use Pop3 some while back, but see this is exactly >> why IMAP exists. For this very reason. For people who have and use >> multiple devices. this way you don’t have to worry about what you >> open where and when. This way you don’t have to think, hmm. Did I >> open the mail on my PC, is it on my phone? Where is it? Where is >> the reply?: It also just makes managing mail a lot easier. IMAP is >> made for multiple device/web access. >> >> No mattter if you do these things on your thunderbird, or your >> phone, or the web interface, the server will keep track of >> everything that is done and it’ll be mirrored across devices. I >> did read the thread, but not sure if anyone explains in greater >> detail the advantages of imap. In case they didn’t, that’s why i >> wrote you here. I’d personally a advise you switch to iMap with >> your mails. It’ll make life a lot easier for you, in my opinion. >> >> Take care, John >> >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:57 AM, Shelly Kane >>> mailto:shellykane323@... wrote: >>> >>> Thank you so much for explaining this to me. I use a pop3 >>> account and have for years. Now at least I understand what's >>> going on. I wouldn't use my phone that much for email. I was >>> just looking into it. If I don't download my mail right away >>> onto Thunderbird, I can see it on the web or my phone. I have no >>> idea how to use IMap so I would rather stick with the pop3 which >>> I know. Thanks so much for your help. >>> >>> Shelly >>> >>>> On 7/29/2021 7:51 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote: Hi There, >>>> >>>> You must have your mail account set to imap for this to woork >>>> properly. Imap will automatically leave a copy on the server >>>> of all received mail. With pop3, all e-mail is downloaded just >>>> one time and nothing is left on the server. I forget what mail >>>> account you have, so i can't help any more than that. >>>> >>>>> On 7/29/2021 4:28 AM, Shelly Kane wrote: Hi Group: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have a complicated question about my email and hope someone >>>>> can answer this. I tried putting my email account on my >>>>> phone last night so I can start looking at it and not get on >>>>> the computer all the time. So after I got it all set up, it >>>>> worked great. The mail downloaded just fine and I wanted to >>>>> make sure it still worked in Thunderbird because I use the >>>>> computer more. It downloaded in Thunderbird just fine but >>>>> here's the problem. When I went back on the phone to see if >>>>> the mail was in both places, Thunderbird blocked it. My >>>>> phone had no email on there. It was wiped clean. This >>>>> happens also when I download mail into Thunderbird and I go >>>>> to my gmail account on the web you can't see the mail on >>>>> google either if it's already in Thunderbird. Do any of you >>>>> know why this keeps happening and is there anything simple I >>>>> can do about it? Thanks in advance for any help. >>>>> >>>>> Shelly >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> . > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: windows 10 with jaws
chris judge
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 30, 2021 6:55 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws
The article discusses how ribbons are more consistent. Despite claims Freedom Scientific makes, ribbons are consistent and properly accessible and the article discusses all that.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws
I didn’t see it, I’ve also found that while yes I can navigate stuff, figuring out which keys does what in every ribbon isn’t the easiest thing to do. I still do not see a problem with using t the JAWS access r for the ribbon. For me, it’s a matter of consistency which I think FS was trying to a achieve in part. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
The JAWS virtual menus are not a good way to work with ribbons. See this discussion. https://blindtechnology.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/microsoft-ribbon-is-accessible/ Also, if you use them, since instructional material in general uses real ribbons, you are making it harder to use tutorials and other instructional material.
Did you see the tutorial I sent earlier today? To move through a ribbon efficiently requires knowledge of one or two commands for moving quickly through ribbons, which I explain, and memorizing combinations of letters that make up a command, equivalent to shortcut commands on a menu, such as alt f, a, that you use regularly.
It is a little less efficient to move through ribbons, even when using shortcut commands because shortcut commands usually require another letter or two or perhaps three. But nonribbon commands, previously used in ribbon programs mostly still work such as control o for open, control r for reply, etc so this loss of efficiency is often not a problem because you still use all or almost all the most efficient control plus letter or number commands you used in the menu versions. .
But whenever people disable ribbons, my qquestion is, what will you loose access to and what will be harder to do? I don’t know the answers because I don’t disable ribbons. Others may want to discuss the question.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws
I have jaws set to show the jaws ribbon.
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Re: Email Question
Shelly Kane
John:
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Thanks for getting back to me. I think I told you that I hit Control Enter to send a message and to begin a message, I hit Control N. As to the folders, I like all of my mail to go into the in box. When I delete a message, I have it go into the trash folder and then when there is a lot, I delete them totally from that folder and they come off the computer. I don't like to plug my computer up with messages. I also have a sent folder that the message I send fall into. When I start a message and can't finish it, it goes to the drafts folder and then I can go back to it after I save it. That's all of the folders I want. Shelly
On 7/30/2021 4:10 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
Hey Shelly,
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Exercise bike question regarding technology
Cole
Hello
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What is the best exercise and stationary bike for the totally blind. A lot of exercise bikes that I have worked with have touch screens with the controls and information like speed and distance is built into the touch screen. Is there a talk or Braille exercise bike? Cole Roberts
On Jul 27, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Mike B. <mb69mach1@...> wrote:
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Info about Pen Friend
Marilyn and Don Bilderback
My Pen Friend finally bit the dust after years of almost daily use. Now I can’t independently pick out my own clothes. I sure miss that thing!
Anyone use the new Pen Friend, I think it is called the 3.
I would appreciate any information from users about how they like it or what doesn’t work. It says it takes 3 to 6 weeks to come and you order from Maxi Aids. Any other sellers of this product? Either the price has gone up a lot or I surely don’t remember the cost being so high. Sounds like it comes from the UK.
This is one item I have gotten much use out of. It makes me mad that I heard you can’t use the labels with the new one.
Help me make up my mind whether to order another Pen Friend. Thanks much. Marilyn
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