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Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

John Holcomb II
 

However, she should be sure not to get one with an eMMC drive.

Some but not all laptops let  you upgrade the storage and ram options later.

I’m going to assume you’d rather not open it up at any point

Do you want  us to suggest some actual laptops for you?

A great k keyboard typing experience is a m must I’d presume.

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Hi Kathy,

 

A solid state drive has no moving parts. So, unlike the standard hard drives,

---there are no moving parts.

---they do not overheat.

---they use less energy and last longer.

 

These days, they are quite affordable.

Also,  most new laptops now come with a solid state  drive by default.

…and they are faster than  the  traditional mechanical drive.

 

Good brand names are Kingston, crucial, Samsung, etc..

 

I would not purchase a new p c or laptop without a solid state drive.

 

You wrote that you will not  be moving/carrying your  laptop from  place to place, so you can get one that may be a little heavier than  a very lightweight one.

Laptops with a numeric keypad are a little bigger than those without.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock


Sent: June 16, 2021 8:56 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I am a little dumb in this area what is considered a solid-state drive question do you like a certain brand other than another brand question

Kathy

 

 

On Jun 16, 2021, at 9:41 AM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:



Hi Kathy.

 

In my experience, as one who uses jaws and the Microsoft office suite all the time, I can state that the two features that will make you happy are a solid state hard drive, and 16 gig of ram. Sure it is true that 8 gig will suffice, but I have 16 ram and solid state hard drives in all of my computers now and they work great. The difference in cost between 8 gig of ram and 16 gig is almost negligible.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: June 16, 2021 10:23 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

 I do not want a slow computer 

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy 


Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

Howard Traxler
 

You say:
Microsoft doesn’t make the next version of Windows markedly more demanding than the last version. 

Look at history
MS DOS
Windows 2.5
Windows 3.1
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows ME
Windows XP
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
and Windows 10

Seems to me that each step (almost) required all new hardware.

On 6/16/2021 11:04 AM, Gene wrote:
I mean that, as far as I know, Microsoft doesn’t make the next version of Windows markedly more demanding than the last version. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop
 
I don’t know how much more you spend for 16GB of RAM but I see no reason to worry about Windows 11.  Microsoft doesn’t go around making new versions markedly more demanding.  And has anyone reliable who writes technical articles said that Windows 11 will require more ram or computing power?  While I don’t follow these things, at the same time, I have seen nothing indicating that people who had machines that ran Windows 8 needed more powerful machines to run Windows 10. 
 
I don’t know how much more you spend for 16GB of RAM when buying a new machine and having the extra RAM added.  If it is a small amount like twenty-five or thirty dollars, it isn’t worth worrying about mmuchif at all for a lot of people. 
 
I’m not particularly concerned with the amouhnt of RAM except in the context of what I consider the very questionable generalization about future proofing a machine.  though I also am commenting because I just don’t think a typical computer user needs more or will benefit significantly more by adding ram. 
 
also, it is my impression that Windows 10 handles memory more efficiently than Windows 8 did.  I’m challenging the idea that you need to spend more money and go beyond specifications that work well today to future pproof a machine.  Many considerations enter into the question.  How do you intend to use the machine?  How much do you care about speed?  What sorts of changes in Windows and programs can accurately be predicted that will make your computer not be able to work with software over many years and Windows as it changes?  And how much more money are we talking about? 
 
And to explain my point further, if you apply the future proof argument or extrapolation to other areas, what are the results?  Do you end up advocating a much more powerful processor than that which works well now with Windows 10?  In the end, adding, with all these upgrades, 100 dollars, or 150 dollars to the price of a machine.  A little here and a little there and you may be talking about enough money to matter to people who want to be careful or reasonably careful about how much they spend.
 
I really doubt that Microsoft is going to create the kind of bad will and anger among its customers by making Windows 11 require enough more computer resources to make a lot of users’ machines obsolete or require them to spend money to upgrade their machines.
 
In short, my main point is that once you start applying the future proof argument, where does it lead and how much money is involved? 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop
 

Plus with Windows 11coming out, we don’t know the hardware requirements of that OS yet. Nor do we know  if JAWS will have new hard where requirements either.

I agree with Chris completely on this.

I’d go with 16GB to be safe.

My opinion is you don’t buy a laptop minimal specs just to last a year or two. You buy enough that will carry  you thru for a while.

I’d also go with a Core I5 11th gen.

Do you just want a clamshell laptop or w would you like to have it convert over to a tablet?

Is a keyboard with a  NumLock important to you?

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Hi Kathy.

 

In my experience, as one who uses jaws and the Microsoft office suite all the time, I can state that the two features that will make you happy are a solid state hard drive, and 16 gig of ram. Sure it is true that 8 gig will suffice, but I have 16 ram and solid state hard drives in all of my computers now and they work great. The difference in cost between 8 gig of ram and 16 gig is almost negligible.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: June 16, 2021 10:23 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

I do not want a slow computer

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy



Re: question for the group

Gene
 

A popular program is VLC Media Player. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:26 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] question for the group
 

If any of you watch vidios on your computer, can you tell me the program you use to watch a dvd?  I know my windows ten computer didn't come with one built in.

David 


Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

Gene
 

I mean that, as far as I know, Microsoft doesn’t make the next version of Windows markedly more demanding than the last version. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop
 
I don’t know how much more you spend for 16GB of RAM but I see no reason to worry about Windows 11.  Microsoft doesn’t go around making new versions markedly more demanding.  And has anyone reliable who writes technical articles said that Windows 11 will require more ram or computing power?  While I don’t follow these things, at the same time, I have seen nothing indicating that people who had machines that ran Windows 8 needed more powerful machines to run Windows 10. 
 
I don’t know how much more you spend for 16GB of RAM when buying a new machine and having the extra RAM added.  If it is a small amount like twenty-five or thirty dollars, it isn’t worth worrying about mmuchif at all for a lot of people. 
 
I’m not particularly concerned with the amouhnt of RAM except in the context of what I consider the very questionable generalization about future proofing a machine.  though I also am commenting because I just don’t think a typical computer user needs more or will benefit significantly more by adding ram. 
 
also, it is my impression that Windows 10 handles memory more efficiently than Windows 8 did.  I’m challenging the idea that you need to spend more money and go beyond specifications that work well today to future pproof a machine.  Many considerations enter into the question.  How do you intend to use the machine?  How much do you care about speed?  What sorts of changes in Windows and programs can accurately be predicted that will make your computer not be able to work with software over many years and Windows as it changes?  And how much more money are we talking about? 
 
And to explain my point further, if you apply the future proof argument or extrapolation to other areas, what are the results?  Do you end up advocating a much more powerful processor than that which works well now with Windows 10?  In the end, adding, with all these upgrades, 100 dollars, or 150 dollars to the price of a machine.  A little here and a little there and you may be talking about enough money to matter to people who want to be careful or reasonably careful about how much they spend.
 
I really doubt that Microsoft is going to create the kind of bad will and anger among its customers by making Windows 11 require enough more computer resources to make a lot of users’ machines obsolete or require them to spend money to upgrade their machines.
 
In short, my main point is that once you start applying the future proof argument, where does it lead and how much money is involved? 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop
 

Plus with Windows 11coming out, we don’t know the hardware requirements of that OS yet. Nor do we know  if JAWS will have new hard where requirements either.

I agree with Chris completely on this.

I’d go with 16GB to be safe.

My opinion is you don’t buy a laptop minimal specs just to last a year or two. You buy enough that will carry  you thru for a while.

I’d also go with a Core I5 11th gen.

Do you just want a clamshell laptop or w would you like to have it convert over to a tablet?

Is a keyboard with a  NumLock important to you?

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Hi Kathy.

 

In my experience, as one who uses jaws and the Microsoft office suite all the time, I can state that the two features that will make you happy are a solid state hard drive, and 16 gig of ram. Sure it is true that 8 gig will suffice, but I have 16 ram and solid state hard drives in all of my computers now and they work great. The difference in cost between 8 gig of ram and 16 gig is almost negligible.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: June 16, 2021 10:23 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

I do not want a slow computer

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy


Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

Gene
 

I don’t know how much more you spend for 16GB of RAM but I see no reason to worry about Windows 11.  Microsoft doesn’t go around making new versions markedly more demanding.  And has anyone reliable who writes technical articles said that Windows 11 will require more ram or computing power?  While I don’t follow these things, at the same time, I have seen nothing indicating that people who had machines that ran Windows 8 needed more powerful machines to run Windows 10. 
 
I don’t know how much more you spend for 16GB of RAM when buying a new machine and having the extra RAM added.  If it is a small amount like twenty-five or thirty dollars, it isn’t worth worrying about mmuchif at all for a lot of people. 
 
I’m not particularly concerned with the amouhnt of RAM except in the context of what I consider the very questionable generalization about future proofing a machine.  though I also am commenting because I just don’t think a typical computer user needs more or will benefit significantly more by adding ram. 
 
also, it is my impression that Windows 10 handles memory more efficiently than Windows 8 did.  I’m challenging the idea that you need to spend more money and go beyond specifications that work well today to future pproof a machine.  Many considerations enter into the question.  How do you intend to use the machine?  How much do you care about speed?  What sorts of changes in Windows and programs can accurately be predicted that will make your computer not be able to work with software over many years and Windows as it changes?  And how much more money are we talking about? 
 
And to explain my point further, if you apply the future proof argument or extrapolation to other areas, what are the results?  Do you end up advocating a much more powerful processor than that which works well now with Windows 10?  In the end, adding, with all these upgrades, 100 dollars, or 150 dollars to the price of a machine.  A little here and a little there and you may be talking about enough money to matter to people who want to be careful or reasonably careful about how much they spend.
 
I really doubt that Microsoft is going to create the kind of bad will and anger among its customers by making Windows 11 require enough more computer resources to make a lot of users’ machines obsolete or require them to spend money to upgrade their machines.
 
In short, my main point is that once you start applying the future proof argument, where does it lead and how much money is involved? 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop
 

Plus with Windows 11coming out, we don’t know the hardware requirements of that OS yet. Nor do we know  if JAWS will have new hard where requirements either.

I agree with Chris completely on this.

I’d go with 16GB to be safe.

My opinion is you don’t buy a laptop minimal specs just to last a year or two. You buy enough that will carry  you thru for a while.

I’d also go with a Core I5 11th gen.

Do you just want a clamshell laptop or w would you like to have it convert over to a tablet?

Is a keyboard with a  NumLock important to you?

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Hi Kathy.

 

In my experience, as one who uses jaws and the Microsoft office suite all the time, I can state that the two features that will make you happy are a solid state hard drive, and 16 gig of ram. Sure it is true that 8 gig will suffice, but I have 16 ram and solid state hard drives in all of my computers now and they work great. The difference in cost between 8 gig of ram and 16 gig is almost negligible.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: June 16, 2021 10:23 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

I do not want a slow computer

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy


Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

Monte Single
 

Hi Kathy,

 

A solid state drive has no moving parts. So, unlike the standard hard drives,

---there are no moving parts.

---they do not overheat.

---they use less energy and last longer.

 

These days, they are quite affordable.

Also,  most new laptops now come with a solid state  drive by default.

…and they are faster than  the  traditional mechanical drive.

 

Good brand names are Kingston, crucial, Samsung, etc..

 

I would not purchase a new p c or laptop without a solid state drive.

 

You wrote that you will not  be moving/carrying your  laptop from  place to place, so you can get one that may be a little heavier than  a very lightweight one.

Laptops with a numeric keypad are a little bigger than those without.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock


Sent: June 16, 2021 8:56 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I am a little dumb in this area what is considered a solid-state drive question do you like a certain brand other than another brand question

Kathy

 



On Jun 16, 2021, at 9:41 AM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:



Hi Kathy.

 

In my experience, as one who uses jaws and the Microsoft office suite all the time, I can state that the two features that will make you happy are a solid state hard drive, and 16 gig of ram. Sure it is true that 8 gig will suffice, but I have 16 ram and solid state hard drives in all of my computers now and they work great. The difference in cost between 8 gig of ram and 16 gig is almost negligible.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: June 16, 2021 10:23 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

 I do not want a slow computer 

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone




On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy 


Re: how to get access to an IPad

John Holcomb II
 

Well ok…

Let count me in to the people wo who would like to know  if this is possible.

Because  from y way of knowing, it isn’t possible unless you know the apple ID and PW.

If Ashely knows of a way, I’d like to know too.

At this point it might make sense to just share iw  with the list 😊

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get access to an IPad

 

Some people want to take things off list believing that others may not be interested because the topic is too limited or too technical.  At times, thatis correct, but in my observation, it far more often results in people not learning things they would like to know.

 

Gene


Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

John Holcomb II
 

Plus with Windows 11coming out, we don’t know the hardware requirements of that OS yet. Nor do we know  if JAWS will have new hard where requirements either.

I agree with Chris completely on this.

I’d go with 16GB to be safe.

My opinion is you don’t buy a laptop minimal specs just to last a year or two. You buy enough that will carry  you thru for a while.

I’d also go with a Core I5 11th gen.

Do you just want a clamshell laptop or w would you like to have it convert over to a tablet?

Is a keyboard with a  NumLock important to you?

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Hi Kathy.

 

In my experience, as one who uses jaws and the Microsoft office suite all the time, I can state that the two features that will make you happy are a solid state hard drive, and 16 gig of ram. Sure it is true that 8 gig will suffice, but I have 16 ram and solid state hard drives in all of my computers now and they work great. The difference in cost between 8 gig of ram and 16 gig is almost negligible.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: June 16, 2021 10:23 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

 I do not want a slow computer 

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy 


Re: how to get access to an IPad

Gene
 

Some people want to take things off list believing that others may not be interested because the topic is too limited or too technical.  At times, thatis correct, but in my observation, it far more often results in people not learning things they would like to know.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get access to an IPad
 
Yeah I find it a little odd that she'd ask for private emails too.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 5:08 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get access to an IPad

Is this something you can share with the group?

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ashley Breger via groups.io
Sent: June 15, 2021 8:05 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get access to an IPad

Hello, if you want to contact me off list I would be happy to give you instructions on how to gain access to the iPad. Email me back off the list for assistance with this problem

Ashley

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Nancy Hill <girlyscream@...> wrote:
>
> Group,
>
>
> I have a good friend whose Mom passed away unexpectedly last year.  In going through her things she found an I Pad that is fairly new, but she can not gain access to it.
>
>
> What must my friend do to be able to gain access to this almost new IPad?
>
>
> Thanks for your help and advice.
>
>
> nancy
>
>
>
>
>
>


















Re: how to get access to an IPad

John Holcomb II
 

Yeah I find it a little odd that she'd ask for private emails too.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 5:08 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get access to an IPad

Is this something you can share with the group?

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ashley Breger via groups.io
Sent: June 15, 2021 8:05 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get access to an IPad

Hello, if you want to contact me off list I would be happy to give you instructions on how to gain access to the iPad. Email me back off the list for assistance with this problem

Ashley

On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Nancy Hill <girlyscream@comcast.net> wrote:

Group,


I have a good friend whose Mom passed away unexpectedly last year. In going through her things she found an I Pad that is fairly new, but she can not gain access to it.


What must my friend do to be able to gain access to this almost new IPad?


Thanks for your help and advice.


nancy






Another Touch + Question

lynn white
 

When you are connected to the iPhone using terminal mode, how to do get back to being able to independently use your Touch.

I am reading the Mystic Access tutorial and they refer to pressing home to get back. What keystroke is that? Thanks.


Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

Kathy Pingstock
 

I am a little dumb in this area what is considered a solid-state drive question do you like a certain brand other than another brand question
Kathy



On Jun 16, 2021, at 9:41 AM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:



Hi Kathy.

 

In my experience, as one who uses jaws and the Microsoft office suite all the time, I can state that the two features that will make you happy are a solid state hard drive, and 16 gig of ram. Sure it is true that 8 gig will suffice, but I have 16 ram and solid state hard drives in all of my computers now and they work great. The difference in cost between 8 gig of ram and 16 gig is almost negligible.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: June 16, 2021 10:23 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

 I do not want a slow computer 

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy 


Re: Sending a private message using Thunderbird

Carolyn Arnold
 

Exactly, Gene. But, I tried your idea of Shift+Tab. I had to Tab three times to get your address highlighted.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sending a private message using Thunderbird

Do you mean that you open a message, shift tab once then copy the address to the clipboard?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sending a private message using Thunderbird

gsasner@gmail.com>

Outlook - Shift+Tab; Copy to line. Then, paste and edit. You can see that I just did it and included it in the body of the message instead of starting a new email and posting it in the To field. I hope that makes sense.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sending a private message using Thunderbird

A similar method to what I described in my first message does work with Windows Live Mail. I don’t use Outlook but it would be interesting to know if a similar method works in that program.

In Windows Live Mail, open the message and shift tab until you get to a button that says something like contact’s name and then reads the e-mail address.
Open the context menu, down arrow to send message to and press enter.
A blank message will be created with the address in the from line. No modifications are necessary.

I believe at times, when you press enter on send message to, you may be in a submenu with choices. Choose the one that is appropriate. I think one of the choices is private, but I do this so seldom that I’m not sure. I believe that is the right choice.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Sending a private message using Thunderbird

Here is an important correction. The method I described won’t work on many lists. It needs to be modified. The method I described before may work on some lists, but not on Groups.io lists. That is for technical reasons the list serve uses to ensure reliable delivery of mail to people using certain providers.

Here is the way that will work.
New steps start on new lines.
Open the message.
Shift tab once.
Tab once.
You are now on the from line.
Open the context menu.
Down arrow to the item that says something like compose message to and press enter.
A new message will be created and you will be on the subject line.
Shiftt tab to the to line and left arrow once. Then press enter.
You can now edit the address.
Press home.
Right arrow until you get to the less than sign.
Hold shift and press home again. Then press delete.
Right arrow to the equals sign. Then right arrow one more time.
Backspace once to remove the equals sign.
Type the at sign.
Then right arrow to the end of the proper e-mail address. In my case, it would be gmail.com.
There is more after the correct proper address. Delete it.
If you right arrow once beyond the end of the proper e-mail address, you will be on another at sign.
Use shift end then press delete.
You now have the correct address with nothing extraneous.
This may sound a bit complex and cumbersome but if you try it a few times, you will see that it isn’t bad even though it’s a little cumbersome.
If you are practicing, to remove the practice message, use alt f4 then tab once and press the space bar.

Gene
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 6:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Sending a private message using Thunderbird

Since the topic of how to send private messages to list members has come up, I did a little experimentation and I found what may well be the easiest way if you are using Thunderbird. Do the following:
Open the message from the person you want to reply to.
Shift tab once. You will either be on a link or you will hear nothing.
Either way, tab once.
You are on the from line.
Open the context menu.
You will see many items.
Press enter on the item that says something like send message to.
This will open a new message with the person’s address in the to line and you will be on the subject line.

Gene


Re: Sending a private message using Thunderbird

Carolyn Arnold
 

OK, Gene, I tried the Shift+Tab, but had to Tab three times to get to your address. Thanks for getting me steered in that direction.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 8:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sending a private message using Thunderbird

I specifically say to shift tab and then tab. If you shift tab and continue to shift tab, as you suggest, you will move through all links in a message starting from the bottom link moving backwards through all the links. If you shift tab once, then tab, you will be in the from line, which is what I say to do.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 7:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sending a private message using Thunderbird




Oops, slight correction. When you open a new message with Control-N, shift-tab from the top of the message body until you land on the "to" field and then press Control-V to paste in the address of the sender.




Gerald








On 6/16/2021 8:03 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:




Troy, there is an easier way to send a private message to a sender that does not involve all that editting. First, open the message whose sender you want to reply to privately. Be sure that you are at the top of the message and then shift tab until you are on the "to" field. Launch the context menu with the context menu key or Shift-F10. Arrow down to copy email address and press enter. Next, press Control-N too open a new message. Alt-tab to the "to" field and press Control-V to pate in the email address of the sender. No additional editting of the sender's email address is required.



Gerald






On 6/16/2021 7:10 AM, Troy Burnham wrote:


Gene,



When you say "open the context menu" is that just hitting the context menu key?



Thanks, I've often wondered how to send a private message to someone, or even how to just find an address in thunderbird when it's not shown so this will come in handy I think.




Troy







On 6/15/2021 7:18 PM, Gene wrote:


Here is an important correction. The method I described won’t work on many lists. It needs to be modified. The method I described before may work on some lists, but not on Groups.io lists. That is for technical reasons the list serve uses to ensure reliable delivery of mail to people using certain providers.

Here is the way that will work.
New steps start on new lines.
Open the message.
Shift tab once.
Tab once.
You are now on the from line.
Open the context menu.
Down arrow to the item that says something like compose message to and press enter.
A new message will be created and you will be on the subject line.
Shiftt tab to the to line and left arrow once. Then press enter.
You can now edit the address.
Press home.
Right arrow until you get to the less than sign.
Hold shift and press home again. Then press delete.
Right arrow to the equals sign. Then right arrow one more time.
Backspace once to remove the equals sign.
Type the at sign.
Then right arrow to the end of the proper e-mail address. In my case, it would be gmail.com.
There is more after the correct proper address. Delete it.
If you right arrow once beyond the end of the proper e-mail address, you will be on another at sign.
Use shift end then press delete.
You now have the correct address with nothing extraneous.
This may sound a bit complex and cumbersome but if you try it a few times, you will see that it isn’t bad even though it’s a little cumbersome.
If you are practicing, to remove the practice message, use alt f4 then tab once and press the space bar.

Gene
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 6:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Sending a private message using Thunderbird

Since the topic of how to send private messages to list members has come up, I did a little experimentation and I found what may well be the easiest way if you are using Thunderbird. Do the following:
Open the message from the person you want to reply to.
Shift tab once. You will either be on a link or you will hear nothing.
Either way, tab once.
You are on the from line.
Open the context menu.
You will see many items.
Press enter on the item that says something like send message to.
This will open a new message with the person’s address in the to line and you will be on the subject line.

Gene


question for the group

DAVID GLOBE
 

If any of you watch vidios on your computer, can you tell me the program you use to watch a dvd?  I know my windows ten computer didn't come with one built in.

David  


Re: Sending a private message using Thunderbird

Carolyn Arnold
 

Using the Context method does not work in Outlook for getting the sender's address.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 8:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sending a private message using Thunderbird

I wouldn’t assume that will always work. For technical reasons that have to do with list serves getting aroundd spam prevention measures, I believe some e-mail addresses may not be shown in usable form. And if your method works, then my method will work for a message. If Your method doesn’t work, mine won’t.

If you look at what I believe is my previous message, you will see that I said that using a method I describe may work for a lot of addresses and then I give another method. If you have to edit the address as I describe using my method, you would have to paste the clipboard address into a blank message and edit it in just the same way.

What I am not sure of is whether the method I give in my prevvious message works for all addresses or only for a lot so people should have access to both methods I describe in that message.

Gene
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 7:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sending a private message using Thunderbird




Troy, there is an easier way to send a private message to a sender that does not involve all that editting. First, open the message whose sender you want to reply to privately. Be sure that you are at the top of the message and then shift tab until you are on the "to" field. Launch the context menu with the context menu key or Shift-F10. Arrow down to copy email address and press enter. Next, press Control-N too open a new message. Alt-tab to the "to" field and press Control-V to pate in the email address of the sender. No additional editting of the sender's email address is required.




Gerald








On 6/16/2021 7:10 AM, Troy Burnham wrote:


Gene,



When you say "open the context menu" is that just hitting the context menu key?



Thanks, I've often wondered how to send a private message to someone, or even how to just find an address in thunderbird when it's not shown so this will come in handy I think.




Troy







On 6/15/2021 7:18 PM, Gene wrote:


Here is an important correction. The method I described won’t work on many lists. It needs to be modified. The method I described before may work on some lists, but not on Groups.io lists. That is for technical reasons the list serve uses to ensure reliable delivery of mail to people using certain providers.

Here is the way that will work.
New steps start on new lines.
Open the message.
Shift tab once.
Tab once.
You are now on the from line.
Open the context menu.
Down arrow to the item that says something like compose message to and press enter.
A new message will be created and you will be on the subject line.
Shiftt tab to the to line and left arrow once. Then press enter.
You can now edit the address.
Press home.
Right arrow until you get to the less than sign.
Hold shift and press home again. Then press delete.
Right arrow to the equals sign. Then right arrow one more time.
Backspace once to remove the equals sign.
Type the at sign.
Then right arrow to the end of the proper e-mail address. In my case, it would be gmail.com.
There is more after the correct proper address. Delete it.
If you right arrow once beyond the end of the proper e-mail address, you will be on another at sign.
Use shift end then press delete.
You now have the correct address with nothing extraneous.
This may sound a bit complex and cumbersome but if you try it a few times, you will see that it isn’t bad even though it’s a little cumbersome.
If you are practicing, to remove the practice message, use alt f4 then tab once and press the space bar.

Gene
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 6:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Sending a private message using Thunderbird

Since the topic of how to send private messages to list members has come up, I did a little experimentation and I found what may well be the easiest way if you are using Thunderbird. Do the following:
Open the message from the person you want to reply to.
Shift tab once. You will either be on a link or you will hear nothing.
Either way, tab once.
You are on the from line.
Open the context menu.
You will see many items.
Press enter on the item that says something like send message to.
This will open a new message with the person’s address in the to line and you will be on the subject line.

Gene


Re: how to get access to an IPad

Gene
 

Does that command work in thunderbird?  Someone using JAWS would have to try it.  It may work in Word but I have no idea what programs JAWS is scripted to use that command with.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get access to an IPad
 
One can also use Insert+Shift+R, which works with JAWS and Outlook.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get access to an IPad


I am using Thunderbird and I have used ctrl R and then ctrl shift R to try to respond only to Ashley.




BTW, it is probly the latest TB and one of the latest versions of Win10 plus Jaws.




Thanks for your help!

nancy



On 6/15/2021 7:36 PM, Gene wrote:
> What e-mail program are you using. Someone can tell you how to write > to people offlist. > > Methods such as you are using often don’t work. Perhaps on some > lists, they might but on lists I’ve been on, which I think represent > the majority in terms of how they are set up, such techniques don’t. > But there are reliable ways to do this. > > Gene -----Original Message----- *From:* Nancy Hill > <mailto:girlyscream@...> <mailto:girlyscream@...>  *Sent:* Tuesday, June 15, 2021 6:26 > PM *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  > *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] how to get access to an IPad > > Ashley, I hit CTRL R so I hope this goes only to you. > > > Thanks, > > nancy > > On 6/15/2021 7:04 PM, Ashley Breger via groups.io wrote: >> Hello, if you want to contact me off list I would be happy to give >> you instructions on how to gain access to the iPad. Email me back >> off the list for assistance with this problem >> >> Ashley >> >>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Nancy Hill <girlyscream@...>
<mailto:girlyscream@...>







Re: Sending a private message using Thunderbird

Gene
 

I didn’t have any idea if the Windows Live Mail procedure would work in Outlook.  but people are still using Windows Live Mail so I provided that method.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sending a private message using Thunderbird
 
That method did not work for me in Outlook, but the one in my previous post did.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:36 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sending a private message using Thunderbird

I’m not sure what determines when you are placed in a submenu.  I just tried the Windows Live Mail procedure on an address that is not a list address and I was placed on an item that says private.  That is the item to press enter on.
 
Gene
-----Original Message----=-
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Sending a private message using Thunderbird
 
A similar method to what I described in my first message does work with Windows Live Mail.  I don’t use Outlook but it would be interesting to know if a similar method works in that program.
 
In Windows Live Mail, open the message and shift tab until you get to a button that says something like contact’s name and then reads the e-mail address.
Open the context menu, down arrow to send message to and press enter.
A blank message will be created with the address in the from line.  No modifications are necessary.
 
I believe at times, when you press enter on send message to, you may be in a submenu with choices.  Choose the one that is appropriate.  I think one of the choices is private, but I do this so seldom that I’m not sure.  I believe that is the right choice.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Sending a private message using Thunderbird
 
Here is an important correction.  The method I described won’t work on many lists.  It needs to be modified.  The method I described before may work on some lists, but not on Groups.io lists.  That is for technical reasons the list serve uses to ensure reliable delivery of mail to people using certain providers.
 
Here is the way that will work.
New steps start on new lines.
Open the message.
Shift tab once.
Tab once.
You are now on the from line.
Open the context menu.
Down arrow to the item that says something like compose message to and press enter.
A new message will be created and you will be on the subject line.
Shiftt tab to the to line and left arrow once.  Then press enter.
You can now edit the address.
Press home.
Right arrow until you get to the less than sign.
Hold shift and press home again.  Then press delete.
Right arrow to the equals sign.  Then right arrow one more time.
Backspace once to remove the equals sign.
Type the at sign.
Then right arrow to the end of the proper e-mail address.  In my case, it would be gmail.com.
There is more after the correct proper address.  Delete it.
If you right arrow once beyond the end of the proper e-mail address, you will be on another at sign.
Use shift end then press delete.
You now have the correct address with nothing extraneous.
This may sound a bit complex and cumbersome but if you try it a few times, you will see that it isn’t bad even though it’s a little cumbersome.
If you are practicing, to remove the practice message, use alt f4 then tab once and press the space bar.
 
Gene
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 6:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Sending a private message using Thunderbird
 
Since the topic of how to send private messages to list members has come up, I did a little experimentation and I found what may well be the easiest way if you are using Thunderbird.  Do the following:
Open the message from the person you want to reply to.
Shift tab once.  You will either be on a link or you will hear nothing.
Either way, tab once.
You are on the from line.
Open the context menu.
You will see many items.
Press enter on the item that says something like send message to.
This will open a new message with the person’s address in the to line and you will be on the subject line.
 
Gene







Re: how to get access to an IPad

Carolyn Arnold
 

Mine will with Outlook and JAWS. Actually, the first method, more trouble, works with Outlook, not a JAWS specific activity.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get access to an IPad

Let us know if you try my method. If done correctly, it will work.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Hill <mailto:girlyscream@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get access to an IPad

Ashley, will you reply directly to me. I just have not been successful.


Many thanks,

nancy

On 6/15/2021 7:26 PM, Nancy Hill wrote:
Ashley, I hit CTRL R so I hope this goes only to you.


Thanks,

nancy

On 6/15/2021 7:04 PM, Ashley Breger via groups.io wrote:
Hello, if you want to contact me off list I would be happy to give
you instructions on how to gain access to the iPad. Email me back off
the list for assistance with this problem

Ashley

On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Nancy Hill <girlyscream@comcast.net>
wrote:

Group,


I have a good friend whose Mom passed away unexpectedly last year.
In going through her things she found an I Pad that is fairly new,
but she can not gain access to it.


What must my friend do to be able to gain access to this almost new
IPad?


Thanks for your help and advice.


nancy












Re: Sending a private message using Thunderbird

Gene
 

Do you mean that you open a message, shift tab once then copy the address to the clipboard?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sending a private message using Thunderbird
 
gsasner@...>

Outlook - Shift+Tab; Copy to line. Then, paste and edit. You can see that I just did it and included it in the body of the message instead of starting a new email and posting it in the To field. I hope that makes sense.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sending a private message using Thunderbird

A similar method to what I described in my first message does work with Windows Live Mail.  I don’t use Outlook but it would be interesting to know if a similar method works in that program.
 
In Windows Live Mail, open the message and shift tab until you get to a button that says something like contact’s name and then reads the e-mail address.
Open the context menu, down arrow to send message to and press enter.
A blank message will be created with the address in the from line.  No modifications are necessary.
 
I believe at times, when you press enter on send message to, you may be in a submenu with choices.  Choose the one that is appropriate.  I think one of the choices is private, but I do this so seldom that I’m not sure.  I believe that is the right choice.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Sending a private message using Thunderbird
 
Here is an important correction.  The method I described won’t work on many lists.  It needs to be modified.  The method I described before may work on some lists, but not on Groups.io lists.  That is for technical reasons the list serve uses to ensure reliable delivery of mail to people using certain providers.
 
Here is the way that will work.
New steps start on new lines.
Open the message.
Shift tab once.
Tab once.
You are now on the from line.
Open the context menu.
Down arrow to the item that says something like compose message to and press enter.
A new message will be created and you will be on the subject line.
Shiftt tab to the to line and left arrow once.  Then press enter.
You can now edit the address.
Press home.
Right arrow until you get to the less than sign.
Hold shift and press home again.  Then press delete.
Right arrow to the equals sign.  Then right arrow one more time.
Backspace once to remove the equals sign.
Type the at sign.
Then right arrow to the end of the proper e-mail address.  In my case, it would be gmail.com.
There is more after the correct proper address.  Delete it.
If you right arrow once beyond the end of the proper e-mail address, you will be on another at sign.
Use shift end then press delete.
You now have the correct address with nothing extraneous.
This may sound a bit complex and cumbersome but if you try it a few times, you will see that it isn’t bad even though it’s a little cumbersome.
If you are practicing, to remove the practice message, use alt f4 then tab once and press the space bar.
 
Gene
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 6:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Sending a private message using Thunderbird
 
Since the topic of how to send private messages to list members has come up, I did a little experimentation and I found what may well be the easiest way if you are using Thunderbird.  Do the following:
Open the message from the person you want to reply to.
Shift tab once.  You will either be on a link or you will hear nothing.
Either way, tab once.
You are on the from line.
Open the context menu.
You will see many items.
Press enter on the item that says something like send message to.
This will open a new message with the person’s address in the to line and you will be on the subject line.
 
Gene






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