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Dropbox and Speak Dropbox

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
Running Win-10 Pro 21H1 19043.1055 with Jaws & NVDA.  I keep getting the message, No Dropbox Icon Found, when invoking the access keystroke from my Speak Dropbox program.
 
This has been going on for quite a long time now and I've tried uninstalling and reconfiguring Speak Dropbox as well as Dropbox itself.  I'm running the latest versions of both, but I've tried running an older version of Speak Dropbox and get the same no Dropbox icon found message.
 
I've ran Jaws with its default settings, no change, made sure Dropbox notifications are turned on in Settings / System / Notifications, and I just don't know what else to look at!
 
This happens with all versions of Jaws as well as with NVDA and Narrator.  Has anyone had this problem?  If so, how was your problem resolved?  All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 


Re: NVDA password echo

Gene
 

That’s good.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo
 
I'm running the latest non-beta version and I found an addon called, Report Passwords, that has both a stable and developmental version.  They both have the same version number, 1.2, so I installed the development version and it works on both my Win-7 & 10 computers.  Thanks mooy moocho.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo
 
Does the page say there is a development version?  There are a lot of add-ons not currently compatible with the beta of NVDA but I don’t know if you are running the beta.  If you are running the last nonbeta version, and there is a development or whatever they call it on the page version, that should work.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo
 
Hi Gene,
 
I tried to install the Speak Passwords Add-in and I get the message that it's not compatible.  I'm running the latest NVDA and the add-in is version 1.0 by Tyler Spivey.  Is this the correct add-in, or is there a different 1 to install?  Thanks much.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo
 
I don’t know if JAWS has any ability to do this.  NVDA has an add-on that will cause passwords to be announced just as other text is when you type.  You can’t read the password after you type it but the carachters are announced when typing.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo
 
Unfortunately, no screen reader I've ever used has a way to echo a password. I'm assuming this is for security reasons.

Some websites and programs have a button that says, "Show Password." When you click on it, the password is displayed the way it was typed.

But this feature isn't always available. So, I suggest typing the password into a Notepad document, then copying and pasting it into the password field. I hope that helps.
--


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http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com

abbietaylor945@...

 


Re: You Tube links expiring?

Gene
 

If the instructor provides these links and you listen to lessons at your convenience, not live, then they are available at least for a time.  You should use a program like Pontes Media Downloader to download the audio, or, if you wish, you can record them as they play.  Its up to you how you do this.  I can tell you about a recording program you can use and I can tell you more about Pontes Media Downloader.  Others can discuss such topics as well. 
 
I don’t know why the material is no longer available.  I don’t know if links to certain material expire or if your instructor is making the material unavailable.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 1:55 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] You Tube links expiring?
 

Hi List, I have been doing my guitar lessons via Zoom and my instructor has been sending me their recordings as You Tube links. 

 

I am now wanting to go back and revisit my first piece that was in late January or early February.  However, when I click on those links now, which did work at that time, they now say “Not available”.

 

Do You Tube links expire and can they be renewed?

 

Since I’m paying a hefty fee for each lesson, I am distressed over the idea that I might have to pay him yet again for the lessons.

 

If they do expire, is there a way to make a more permanent recording with the computer?

 

Thanks very much for any help!

 

 

Sincerely, Vicky V




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Re: NVDA password echo

Mike B.
 


I'm running the latest non-beta version and I found an addon called, Report Passwords, that has both a stable and developmental version.  They both have the same version number, 1.2, so I installed the development version and it works on both my Win-7 & 10 computers.  Thanks mooy moocho.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo

Does the page say there is a development version?  There are a lot of add-ons not currently compatible with the beta of NVDA but I don’t know if you are running the beta.  If you are running the last nonbeta version, and there is a development or whatever they call it on the page version, that should work.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo
 
Hi Gene,
 
I tried to install the Speak Passwords Add-in and I get the message that it's not compatible.  I'm running the latest NVDA and the add-in is version 1.0 by Tyler Spivey.  Is this the correct add-in, or is there a different 1 to install?  Thanks much.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo
 
I don’t know if JAWS has any ability to do this.  NVDA has an add-on that will cause passwords to be announced just as other text is when you type.  You can’t read the password after you type it but the carachters are announced when typing.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo
 
Unfortunately, no screen reader I've ever used has a way to echo a password. I'm assuming this is for security reasons.

Some websites and programs have a button that says, "Show Password." When you click on it, the password is displayed the way it was typed.

But this feature isn't always available. So, I suggest typing the password into a Notepad document, then copying and pasting it into the password field. I hope that helps.
--


Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://abbiescorner.wordpress.com

http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com

abbietaylor945@...

 


You Tube links expiring?

Vicky Vaughan
 

Hi List, I have been doing my guitar lessons via Zoom and my instructor has been sending me their recordings as You Tube links. 

 

I am now wanting to go back and revisit my first piece that was in late January or early February.  However, when I click on those links now, which did work at that time, they now say “Not available”.

 

Do You Tube links expire and can they be renewed?

 

Since I’m paying a hefty fee for each lesson, I am distressed over the idea that I might have to pay him yet again for the lessons.

 

If they do expire, is there a way to make a more permanent recording with the computer?

 

Thanks very much for any help!

 

 

Sincerely, Vicky V




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Re: NVDA password echo

Gene
 

Does the page say there is a development version?  There are a lot of add-ons not currently compatible with the beta of NVDA but I don’t know if you are running the beta.  If you are running the last nonbeta version, and there is a development or whatever they call it on the page version, that should work.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo
 
Hi Gene,
 
I tried to install the Speak Passwords Add-in and I get the message that it's not compatible.  I'm running the latest NVDA and the add-in is version 1.0 by Tyler Spivey.  Is this the correct add-in, or is there a different 1 to install?  Thanks much.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo
 
I don’t know if JAWS has any ability to do this.  NVDA has an add-on that will cause passwords to be announced just as other text is when you type.  You can’t read the password after you type it but the carachters are announced when typing.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo
 
Unfortunately, no screen reader I've ever used has a way to echo a password. I'm assuming this is for security reasons.

Some websites and programs have a button that says, "Show Password." When you click on it, the password is displayed the way it was typed.

But this feature isn't always available. So, I suggest typing the password into a Notepad document, then copying and pasting it into the password field. I hope that helps.
--


Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://abbiescorner.wordpress.com

http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com

abbietaylor945@...

 


Re: NVDA password echo

Mike B.
 


Hi Gene,
 
I tried to install the Speak Passwords Add-in and I get the message that it's not compatible.  I'm running the latest NVDA and the add-in is version 1.0 by Tyler Spivey.  Is this the correct add-in, or is there a different 1 to install?  Thanks much.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo

I don’t know if JAWS has any ability to do this.  NVDA has an add-on that will cause passwords to be announced just as other text is when you type.  You can’t read the password after you type it but the carachters are announced when typing.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA password echo
 
Unfortunately, no screen reader I've ever used has a way to echo a password. I'm assuming this is for security reasons.

Some websites and programs have a button that says, "Show Password." When you click on it, the password is displayed the way it was typed.

But this feature isn't always available. So, I suggest typing the password into a Notepad document, then copying and pasting it into the password field. I hope that helps.
--


Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://abbiescorner.wordpress.com

http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com

abbietaylor945@...

 


Re: s s d drives

Monte Single
 

Hi John,

 

Yes, I tried taking some of my own medicine and ran the belarc advisor.

I think I fell asleep listening to all those specs.

I just talked with a local computer store, not the geek squad.

And he said my computer model would not  have an m2 slot.

 

He suggested I go with something like a western digital blue 500 gig for about 70 cannuck bucks plus tax.

So, I’ll chew on that for a while.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: June 18, 2021 11:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] s s d drives

 

Have you tried running Belarc?

This  will help you to see if your box has an M.2 slot or if you’ll need to go for a SATA SSD.

If you’ve got an m.2 slot it’ll be better  to get an M.2 SSD.

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 1:27 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] s s d drives

 

Hi John h II and list,

I have a 4-5 year old hp small form desktop with 6th gen I5 processor.

Haven’t spent any money on pcs  in a couple years.

This device has a 500 gig sata drive.

I’m thinking about installing a s s d drive for the o s and programs.

You said newer ssd and  such drives connect to the mainboard through 

 

Pci-e 3 and 4 slots.

I tried getting the specs for my  hp from the net.  I got lots of info about cpu, ram slots, usb ports, video etc.,  but I could not fine the specs for unused pci slots.

There is a serial adapter plugged  into one slot, there are 2  really short slots, and one long slot,  long like a stick of ram.

Maybe these are pci—3 slots?

 

Just poking around in the dark.

 

Monte


Re: s s d drives

John Holcomb II
 

Have you tried running Belarc?

This  will help you to see if your box has an M.2 slot or if you’ll need to go for a SATA SSD.

If you’ve got an m.2 slot it’ll be better  to get an M.2 SSD.

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 1:27 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] s s d drives

 

Hi John h II and list,

I have a 4-5 year old hp small form desktop with 6th gen I5 processor.

Haven’t spent any money on pcs  in a couple years.

This device has a 500 gig sata drive.

I’m thinking about installing a s s d drive for the o s and programs.

You said newer ssd and  such drives connect to the mainboard through 

 

Pci-e 3 and 4 slots.

I tried getting the specs for my  hp from the net.  I got lots of info about cpu, ram slots, usb ports, video etc.,  but I could not fine the specs for unused pci slots.

There is a serial adapter plugged  into one slot, there are 2  really short slots, and one long slot,  long like a stick of ram.

Maybe these are pci—3 slots?

 

Just poking around in the dark.

 

Monte


s s d drives

Monte Single
 

Hi John h II and list,

I have a 4-5 year old hp small form desktop with 6th gen I5 processor.

Haven’t spent any money on pcs  in a couple years.

This device has a 500 gig sata drive.

I’m thinking about installing a s s d drive for the o s and programs.

You said newer ssd and  such drives connect to the mainboard through 

 

Pci-e 3 and 4 slots.

I tried getting the specs for my  hp from the net.  I got lots of info about cpu, ram slots, usb ports, video etc.,  but I could not fine the specs for unused pci slots.

There is a serial adapter plugged  into one slot, there are 2  really short slots, and one long slot,  long like a stick of ram.

Maybe these are pci—3 slots?

 

Just poking around in the dark.

 

Monte


opinion: the Pixel 4A, iPad Mini5, Kyocera Dora extreme, or LG V60

John Holcomb II
 

So I’ve got $140 in device dollars which I need to use by July 10th from Verizon.

I’m debating about getting the Pixel 4A or an iPad mini5.

I’ve got a Samsung Galaxy S10 which I know will be upgradable to android 12. I’ve also got an iPhone SE first gen.

Reasons for getting the  pixel is that I’d get the latest versions of android, I could ask on this list, and I could a also  call the google disability desk if I should have problems with Be  My Eyes, plus all of  the issues with Samsung devices I’ve seen as of late.

As far as the iPad mini5, it still has the t touch ID sensor and headphone jack and will be supported longer than my SE first gen (which  while I know will run on iOS 15, won’t run past that most likely.)

I could also hold off on getting that pixel and get it when android 13   comes out, as I think Samsung would fix their issues by the time 12 is out.

I’m  looking for advice.

Thing is, I have to use these dollars by July 10th or I lose them. So I’m getting something one way or the other .

The other thought I’ve considered is replacing my LG Exalt LTE with the Kyocera Dora extreme.

The advantage of that over the LG is that it is a  lot louder thru its speaker and headphone jack for phone calls.

I’ve also got a Samsung Galaxy Note 9 running android 10 . If I traded that in I will only get $128.

I also don’t think I’d get a ton of money for the S10 + either. It’s the 1TB model unlocked.

If you had to pick between these 3 devices, which one would you go with and why?

I’m thinking that the pixel would have the most staying power.

I’m also thinking any of these things I don’t have to absolutely have right now. But I’m stuck using these dollars so got to do something with them.  

SO hmm.

Your thoughts and opinions?

If you had to buy one of these devices, which one would you pick and why?

Of Corse I’m thinking about the LG V60 because of its quad DAC.

John


Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

John Holcomb II
 

Yeah but look at what you posted.

Sh’es not doing even one of these things.

She’ll  be doing emails and web browsing and office work.

She’s a very light user of a computer.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 11:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

That depends. Graphics aren't just for photoshop or gaming.

https://gameranswers.com/do-i-need-a-graphics-card-if-i-dont-play-games/

On 6/17/2021 6:15 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Just as I thought. She doesn’t need  integrated graphics.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Here is a quote from an article on this subject:

Of course, integrated graphics have their downsides too. First, they’re weak. They’re intended for the demands of a desktop user who reads email, browses the web, drafts documents, not users who do more demanding things like games.

 

Gene

Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Ok… but is it performance that will be noticed for a blind person running an M.2 SD SSD and 16GB of ram?

If all they are doing is web browsing and email and office work how much will integrated graphics  kill performance?

I don’t think for that tasks having  a built in  GPU will harm enough for it to be noticeable.

Ok…  what if the person doesn’t have $900 to spend? I suppose there are payment options you could pay it off over time but some don’t want to do that.

John

.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 5:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I would never buy used equipment that if I could get new. There is no garantie what condition it was used as. And discrete graphics it is simple. Intigrated graphics reduce system performance, as well as the ram. If you have discrete graphics,. browsers, and other apps use the GPU for hardware acceleration and to improve performance. So graphics isn't just for gaming, but the processor itself is useful, and doesn't add much to the price. An entry level graphics is fine, like the rtx 2060 or 3060 now.

On 6/17/2021 2:43 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Tell me why a blind person would need discreet graphics.

That’s the only thing but past that I agree with you on everything else.

I’m not  so sure I agree with

You on price, I haven’t priced new ones and s specked them out.

I know on BestBuy or other places if you go refurb, you can get some pretty good deals on yesterday’s wine that is good enough.

John

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

This is incorrect. 8 gb is ok, but 16 is even better. With no apps open, my win10 system eats about 5.5 gb. That leaves  very little for anything else if I used 8 gb. True a powerful computer probably isn't required, but an 800-900 or so good laptop is worth it for the responsiveness and pleasant experience. A minimum  of dual channel ram, an SSD, discrete graphics, and an i5/R5.

On 6/16/2021 8:27 AM, Gene wrote:

You don’t need a powerful computer to do what you want to do.  Most computers today come with 8gb of ram and you don’t need more.  You aren’t using any memory intensive applications that might bring you even close to using 8gb of RAM.  I haven’t priced various laptops or kept up with different models for a long time, but I doubt you will have to spend more than five or six hundred dollars to get a laptop that will fill your needs well.  I’ll let others discuss the question further.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 8:23 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

I do not want a slow computer

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone




On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II mailto:jhii926@... wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy


Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

John Holcomb II
 

Me too.

I’ve only  got a graphics card that is dedicated now because the processor didn’t come with one. It’s the bottom of the barrel card though but it works just fine for my needs.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 8:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I've been using computers for 25 years and never had a dedicated graphics card. I haven't seen the need to have one. . I don't play games or do video editing, etc.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 6:03 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

From the very article you linked to:

A graphics card is essentially responsible for generating the images you see on your monitor.

It is often associated with gaming purposes, but do you need a graphics card if you don’t play games?

In short, not really.

 

Next quote:

Even if you don’t play games, some activities still require an excellent GPU.

This includes things like video and photo editing, 3D rendering, and even cryptocurrency mining.

Not to mention software used for engineering and scientific projects.

Having a dedicated GPU will boost all of these activities’ performances.

 

One or two other activities are mentioned in the article, none of which the person or the typical user does.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

That depends. Graphics aren't just for photoshop or gaming.

https://gameranswers.com/do-i-need-a-graphics-card-if-i-dont-play-games/

On 6/17/2021 6:15 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Just as I thought. She doesn’t need  integrated graphics.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Here is a quote from an article on this subject:

Of course, integrated graphics have their downsides too. First, they’re weak. They’re intended for the demands of a desktop user who reads email, browses the web, drafts documents, not users who do more demanding things like games.

 

Gene

Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Ok… but is it performance that will be noticed for a blind person running an M.2 SD SSD and 16GB of ram?

If all they are doing is web browsing and email and office work how much will integrated graphics  kill performance?

I don’t think for that tasks having  a built in  GPU will harm enough for it to be noticeable.

Ok…  what if the person doesn’t have $900 to spend? I suppose there are payment options you could pay it off over time but some don’t want to do that.

John

.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 5:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I would never buy used equipment that if I could get new. There is no garantie what condition it was used as. And discrete graphics it is simple. Intigrated graphics reduce system performance, as well as the ram. If you have discrete graphics,. browsers, and other apps use the GPU for hardware acceleration and to improve performance. So graphics isn't just for gaming, but the processor itself is useful, and doesn't add much to the price. An entry level graphics is fine, like the rtx 2060 or 3060 now.

On 6/17/2021 2:43 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Tell me why a blind person would need discreet graphics.

That’s the only thing but past that I agree with you on everything else.

I’m not  so sure I agree with

You on price, I haven’t priced new ones and s specked them out.

I know on BestBuy or other places if you go refurb, you can get some pretty good deals on yesterday’s wine that is good enough.

John

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

This is incorrect. 8 gb is ok, but 16 is even better. With no apps open, my win10 system eats about 5.5 gb. That leaves  very little for anything else if I used 8 gb. True a powerful computer probably isn't required, but an 800-900 or so good laptop is worth it for the responsiveness and pleasant experience. A minimum  of dual channel ram, an SSD, discrete graphics, and an i5/R5.

On 6/16/2021 8:27 AM, Gene wrote:

You don’t need a powerful computer to do what you want to do.  Most computers today come with 8gb of ram and you don’t need more.  You aren’t using any memory intensive applications that might bring you even close to using 8gb of RAM.  I haven’t priced various laptops or kept up with different models for a long time, but I doubt you will have to spend more than five or six hundred dollars to get a laptop that will fill your needs well.  I’ll let others discuss the question further.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 8:23 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

I do not want a slow computer

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone




On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II mailto:jhii926@... wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy


Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

John Holcomb II
 

While I don’t always agree with Geen, I do in this case.

For what she’s using her PC for, it won’t matter one lick if its built in graphics.

She really doesn’t need the top of the line beast.

There’s such a thing as too slow, and that would be core I3 and below. Spinning drive, not enough memory so it pages too much.

But that being said there’s overkill on the other side. I mean come on more than 16GB of  RAM and dedicated graphics card  while good for some use cases definitely is not hers.

Same with a touch screen, 4K screen etc. she doesn’t need  that either.

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 6:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

From the very article you linked to:

A graphics card is essentially responsible for generating the images you see on your monitor.

It is often associated with gaming purposes, but do you need a graphics card if you don’t play games?

In short, not really.

 

Next quote:

Even if you don’t play games, some activities still require an excellent GPU.

This includes things like video and photo editing, 3D rendering, and even cryptocurrency mining.

Not to mention software used for engineering and scientific projects.

Having a dedicated GPU will boost all of these activities’ performances.

 

One or two other activities are mentioned in the article, none of which the person or the typical user does.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

That depends. Graphics aren't just for photoshop or gaming.

https://gameranswers.com/do-i-need-a-graphics-card-if-i-dont-play-games/

On 6/17/2021 6:15 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Just as I thought. She doesn’t need  integrated graphics.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Here is a quote from an article on this subject:

Of course, integrated graphics have their downsides too. First, they’re weak. They’re intended for the demands of a desktop user who reads email, browses the web, drafts documents, not users who do more demanding things like games.

 

Gene

Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Ok… but is it performance that will be noticed for a blind person running an M.2 SD SSD and 16GB of ram?

If all they are doing is web browsing and email and office work how much will integrated graphics  kill performance?

I don’t think for that tasks having  a built in  GPU will harm enough for it to be noticeable.

Ok…  what if the person doesn’t have $900 to spend? I suppose there are payment options you could pay it off over time but some don’t want to do that.

John

.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 5:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I would never buy used equipment that if I could get new. There is no garantie what condition it was used as. And discrete graphics it is simple. Intigrated graphics reduce system performance, as well as the ram. If you have discrete graphics,. browsers, and other apps use the GPU for hardware acceleration and to improve performance. So graphics isn't just for gaming, but the processor itself is useful, and doesn't add much to the price. An entry level graphics is fine, like the rtx 2060 or 3060 now.

On 6/17/2021 2:43 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Tell me why a blind person would need discreet graphics.

That’s the only thing but past that I agree with you on everything else.

I’m not  so sure I agree with

You on price, I haven’t priced new ones and s specked them out.

I know on BestBuy or other places if you go refurb, you can get some pretty good deals on yesterday’s wine that is good enough.

John

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

This is incorrect. 8 gb is ok, but 16 is even better. With no apps open, my win10 system eats about 5.5 gb. That leaves  very little for anything else if I used 8 gb. True a powerful computer probably isn't required, but an 800-900 or so good laptop is worth it for the responsiveness and pleasant experience. A minimum  of dual channel ram, an SSD, discrete graphics, and an i5/R5.

On 6/16/2021 8:27 AM, Gene wrote:

You don’t need a powerful computer to do what you want to do.  Most computers today come with 8gb of ram and you don’t need more.  You aren’t using any memory intensive applications that might bring you even close to using 8gb of RAM.  I haven’t priced various laptops or kept up with different models for a long time, but I doubt you will have to spend more than five or six hundred dollars to get a laptop that will fill your needs well.  I’ll let others discuss the question further.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 8:23 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

I do not want a slow computer

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone




On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II mailto:jhii926@... wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy


Re: a white cane question

Monte Single
 

Hi Shelly,

You will find a telescoping cane at;

www.ambutech.com

1-800-561-3340


33.87
Tfs multisection telescoping fiberglass cane

This company is located in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, but their products are sold by the usual gang;

Independent living aids,
L s and s group,
Maxi aids.
Their fiberglass telescoping cane is intended as an identity cane and not a mobility device, meaning it breaks more easily than a regular travel cane.

Cheers,

Monte

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shelly Kane
Sent: June 17, 2021 4:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Where can you get a telescopic cane? I have folding canes and they are quite bulky and I can't fit them in my purse. I would like it for identification and then I would use the folding cane while I'm walking independently.

Shelly

On 6/17/2021 5:17 AM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Victor,

I have had at least 2 or 3 telescopic canes.
I really like them for places like airports and planes, restaurants.
When I was working, I kept one at work.
I like how easy it is to collapse them and hang them on a chair or in a pouch etc..
But!! All the ones I have had would be rated as flimsy, they break real easy, usually at the bottom joint.
I'd like to find one that did not break so easily.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Victor
Sent: June 16, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Are there any good collapsible canes out there? I’m not talking about the folding ones. I’m talking about the telescopic ones. The ones that are kind of like an antenna. I’ve only put my hands on one and that was a long time ago. But I have heard that these telescoping canes break very easily.

Victor
On Jun 16, 2021, at 10:08 PM, Nancy Hill <girlyscream@comcast.net> wrote:

Almost every time I go out with husband or friend. I have my Seeing Eye Dog, Nelly and for 'just in case' I always carry a collapseable carbon fiber cane in side my purse.


I don't know how to do it, but could someone advise how to check if the cord that works a folding cane could be shortened to add to the solid feel of the cane while in use?

nancy




On 6/17/2021 12:13 AM, Victor wrote:
I usually take my cane wherever I go as well. I didn’t when I was younger, but I find myself doing it more now just to be on the safe side.

Victor
On Jun 16, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Troy Burnham <troyburnham34@gmail.com> wrote:
Monty,


This cane is 3 sections like the others I've had over the years, but as I said the shaft of this cane is just slightly bigger around than the others I've had. Maybe the elastic cord inside the shaft is slightly looser than I'm used to and that's what causes it to not seem quite as solid as my past canes have been. It may not be as fragile as it seems to be, I'm just used to the sections fitting together more snugly than this.


Troy


On 6/16/2021 6:41 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Troy,
Mostof the canes I have seen are
4 sections which fit together quite snugly with and heavy, inner elastic chord.
They definitely do not fall apart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Troy Burnham
Sent: June 16, 2021 5:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Hi all,


I don't use a white cane much because when I go somewhere I'm almost always with somebody sighted and I walk sighted guide with them. I do have a cane though, one that an O&M instructor gave me, and it's slightly bigger around than any other cane I've ever had and the 3 sections fit together very loosely. Is that the way all canes are made these days?


I won't try to replace this one because I do use it so seldom, but when I unfold the cane and put the joints together they seem loose enough to me that one of the joints may snap if I get the cane stuck in a crack or in some other obstacle.


Thanks.


Troy






















Re: a white cane question

Pamela Dominguez
 

Okay, I never heard of her; I don't do social media. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Victor
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 12:50 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] a white cane question

The latest thing in the blind community seems to be carrying what they call and identifier cane. This is a cane that low vision people carry so that they are identified as visually impaired even if they are not totally blind. Molly Burke, the blind girl who is all over social media was talking about it on one of her videos recently. I don’t get it, but whatever.

Victor
On Jun 17, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Alex Stone <alexstone87@hotmail.com> wrote:

You wouldn’t, unless you were going to use them for water divining.
On 18 Jun 2021, at 01:41, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:

Why would you need another cane for identification if you are going to use a folding cane? Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Where can you get a telescopic cane? I have folding canes and they are
quite bulky and I can't fit them in my purse. I would like it for
identification and then I would use the folding cane while I'm walking
independently.

Shelly

On 6/17/2021 5:17 AM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Victor,

I have had at least 2 or 3 telescopic canes.
I really like them for places like airports and planes, restaurants.
When I was working, I kept one at work.
I like how easy it is to collapse them and hang them on a chair or in a pouch etc..
But!! All the ones I have had would be rated as flimsy, they break real easy, usually at the bottom joint.
I'd like to find one that did not break so easily.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: June 16, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Are there any good collapsible canes out there? I’m not talking about the folding ones. I’m talking about the telescopic ones. The ones that are kind of like an antenna. I’ve only put my hands on one and that was a long time ago. But I have heard that these telescoping canes break very easily.

Victor
On Jun 16, 2021, at 10:08 PM, Nancy Hill <girlyscream@comcast.net> wrote:
Almost every time I go out with husband or friend. I have my Seeing Eye Dog, Nelly and for 'just in case' I always carry a collapseable carbon fiber cane in side my purse.


I don't know how to do it, but could someone advise how to check if the cord that works a folding cane could be shortened to add to the solid feel of the cane while in use?

nancy




On 6/17/2021 12:13 AM, Victor wrote:
I usually take my cane wherever I go as well. I didn’t when I was younger, but I find myself doing it more now just to be on the safe side.

Victor
On Jun 16, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Troy Burnham <troyburnham34@gmail.com> wrote:
Monty,


This cane is 3 sections like the others I've had over the years, but as I said the shaft of this cane is just slightly bigger around than the others I've had. Maybe the elastic cord inside the shaft is slightly looser than I'm used to and that's what causes it to not seem quite as solid as my past canes have been. It may not be as fragile as it seems to be, I'm just used to the sections fitting together more snugly than this.


Troy


On 6/16/2021 6:41 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Troy,
Mostof the canes I have seen are
4 sections which fit together quite snugly with and heavy, inner elastic chord.
They definitely do not fall apart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Troy Burnham
Sent: June 16, 2021 5:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Hi all,


I don't use a white cane much because when I go somewhere I'm almost always with somebody sighted and I walk sighted guide with them. I do have a cane though, one that an O&M instructor gave me, and it's slightly bigger around than any other cane I've ever had and the 3 sections fit together very loosely. Is that the way all canes are made these days?


I won't try to replace this one because I do use it so seldom, but when I unfold the cane and put the joints together they seem loose enough to me that one of the joints may snap if I get the cane stuck in a crack or in some other obstacle.


Thanks.


Troy


























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Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

Loy
 


I've been using computers for 25 years and never had a dedicated graphics card. I haven't seen the need to have one. . I don't play games or do video editing, etc.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

From the very article you linked to:
A graphics card is essentially responsible for generating the images you see on your monitor.
It is often associated with gaming purposes, but do you need a graphics card if you don’t play games?
In short, not really.
 
Next quote:
Even if you don’t play games, some activities still require an excellent GPU.
This includes things like video and photo editing, 3D rendering, and even cryptocurrency mining.
Not to mention software used for engineering and scientific projects.
Having a dedicated GPU will boost all of these activities’ performances.
 
One or two other activities are mentioned in the article, none of which the person or the typical user does.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop
 

That depends. Graphics aren't just for photoshop or gaming.

https://gameranswers.com/do-i-need-a-graphics-card-if-i-dont-play-games/

On 6/17/2021 6:15 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Just as I thought. She doesn’t need  integrated graphics.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Here is a quote from an article on this subject:

Of course, integrated graphics have their downsides too. First, they’re weak. They’re intended for the demands of a desktop user who reads email, browses the web, drafts documents, not users who do more demanding things like games.

 

Gene

Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Ok… but is it performance that will be noticed for a blind person running an M.2 SD SSD and 16GB of ram?

If all they are doing is web browsing and email and office work how much will integrated graphics  kill performance?

I don’t think for that tasks having  a built in  GPU will harm enough for it to be noticeable.

Ok…  what if the person doesn’t have $900 to spend? I suppose there are payment options you could pay it off over time but some don’t want to do that.

John

.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 5:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I would never buy used equipment that if I could get new. There is no garantie what condition it was used as. And discrete graphics it is simple. Intigrated graphics reduce system performance, as well as the ram. If you have discrete graphics,. browsers, and other apps use the GPU for hardware acceleration and to improve performance. So graphics isn't just for gaming, but the processor itself is useful, and doesn't add much to the price. An entry level graphics is fine, like the rtx 2060 or 3060 now.

On 6/17/2021 2:43 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Tell me why a blind person would need discreet graphics.

That’s the only thing but past that I agree with you on everything else.

I’m not  so sure I agree with

You on price, I haven’t priced new ones and s specked them out.

I know on BestBuy or other places if you go refurb, you can get some pretty good deals on yesterday’s wine that is good enough.

John

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

This is incorrect. 8 gb is ok, but 16 is even better. With no apps open, my win10 system eats about 5.5 gb. That leaves  very little for anything else if I used 8 gb. True a powerful computer probably isn't required, but an 800-900 or so good laptop is worth it for the responsiveness and pleasant experience. A minimum  of dual channel ram, an SSD, discrete graphics, and an i5/R5.

On 6/16/2021 8:27 AM, Gene wrote:

You don’t need a powerful computer to do what you want to do.  Most computers today come with 8gb of ram and you don’t need more.  You aren’t using any memory intensive applications that might bring you even close to using 8gb of RAM.  I haven’t priced various laptops or kept up with different models for a long time, but I doubt you will have to spend more than five or six hundred dollars to get a laptop that will fill your needs well.  I’ll let others discuss the question further.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 8:23 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

I do not want a slow computer

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II mailto:jhii926@... wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy


Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

Gene
 

From the very article you linked to:
A graphics card is essentially responsible for generating the images you see on your monitor.
It is often associated with gaming purposes, but do you need a graphics card if you don’t play games?
In short, not really.
 
Next quote:
Even if you don’t play games, some activities still require an excellent GPU.
This includes things like video and photo editing, 3D rendering, and even cryptocurrency mining.
Not to mention software used for engineering and scientific projects.
Having a dedicated GPU will boost all of these activities’ performances.
 
One or two other activities are mentioned in the article, none of which the person or the typical user does.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop
 

That depends. Graphics aren't just for photoshop or gaming.

https://gameranswers.com/do-i-need-a-graphics-card-if-i-dont-play-games/

On 6/17/2021 6:15 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Just as I thought. She doesn’t need  integrated graphics.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Here is a quote from an article on this subject:

Of course, integrated graphics have their downsides too. First, they’re weak. They’re intended for the demands of a desktop user who reads email, browses the web, drafts documents, not users who do more demanding things like games.

 

Gene

Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Ok… but is it performance that will be noticed for a blind person running an M.2 SD SSD and 16GB of ram?

If all they are doing is web browsing and email and office work how much will integrated graphics  kill performance?

I don’t think for that tasks having  a built in  GPU will harm enough for it to be noticeable.

Ok…  what if the person doesn’t have $900 to spend? I suppose there are payment options you could pay it off over time but some don’t want to do that.

John

.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 5:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I would never buy used equipment that if I could get new. There is no garantie what condition it was used as. And discrete graphics it is simple. Intigrated graphics reduce system performance, as well as the ram. If you have discrete graphics,. browsers, and other apps use the GPU for hardware acceleration and to improve performance. So graphics isn't just for gaming, but the processor itself is useful, and doesn't add much to the price. An entry level graphics is fine, like the rtx 2060 or 3060 now.

On 6/17/2021 2:43 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Tell me why a blind person would need discreet graphics.

That’s the only thing but past that I agree with you on everything else.

I’m not  so sure I agree with

You on price, I haven’t priced new ones and s specked them out.

I know on BestBuy or other places if you go refurb, you can get some pretty good deals on yesterday’s wine that is good enough.

John

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

This is incorrect. 8 gb is ok, but 16 is even better. With no apps open, my win10 system eats about 5.5 gb. That leaves  very little for anything else if I used 8 gb. True a powerful computer probably isn't required, but an 800-900 or so good laptop is worth it for the responsiveness and pleasant experience. A minimum  of dual channel ram, an SSD, discrete graphics, and an i5/R5.

On 6/16/2021 8:27 AM, Gene wrote:

You don’t need a powerful computer to do what you want to do.  Most computers today come with 8gb of ram and you don’t need more.  You aren’t using any memory intensive applications that might bring you even close to using 8gb of RAM.  I haven’t priced various laptops or kept up with different models for a long time, but I doubt you will have to spend more than five or six hundred dollars to get a laptop that will fill your needs well.  I’ll let others discuss the question further.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 8:23 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

I do not want a slow computer

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II mailto:jhii926@... wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy


Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

chris judge
 

Sure it’s enough for the OS and software, I was just thinking a bit of data storage.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: June 17, 2021 2:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

You don’t think 256 is enough?

I think 128 is a bit small.

Although under $600 you can get laptops with 512 SSD drive.

John

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 4:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Hi Kathy. I have never seen the value in a touch screen for a blind user, so getting a 2 in 1 laptop, especially if you have to pay more, would not be my recommendation. Regarding the solid state drive, I would not go less than 512 gig. You can always use external storage devices for data.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: June 16, 2021 4:15 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

How big should the state Drive be and what our opinions about the two and one laptops

 

Kathy

 

On Jun 16, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

 You say:
Microsoft doesn’t make the next version of Windows markedly more demanding than the last version. 

Look at history
MS DOS
Windows 2.5
Windows 3.1
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows ME
Windows XP
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
and Windows 10

Seems to me that each step (almost) required all new hardware.

On 6/16/2021 11:04 AM, Gene wrote:

I mean that, as far as I know, Microsoft doesn’t make the next version of Windows markedly more demanding than the last version. 

 

Gene

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I don’t know how much more you spend for 16GB of RAM but I see no reason to worry about Windows 11.  Microsoft doesn’t go around making new versions markedly more demanding.  And has anyone reliable who writes technical articles said that Windows 11 will require more ram or computing power?  While I don’t follow these things, at the same time, I have seen nothing indicating that people who had machines that ran Windows 8 needed more powerful machines to run Windows 10. 

 

I don’t know how much more you spend for 16GB of RAM when buying a new machine and having the extra RAM added.  If it is a small amount like twenty-five or thirty dollars, it isn’t worth worrying about mmuchif at all for a lot of people. 

 

I’m not particularly concerned with the amouhnt of RAM except in the context of what I consider the very questionable generalization about future proofing a machine.  though I also am commenting because I just don’t think a typical computer user needs more or will benefit significantly more by adding ram. 

 

also, it is my impression that Windows 10 handles memory more efficiently than Windows 8 did.  I’m challenging the idea that you need to spend more money and go beyond specifications that work well today to future pproof a machine.  Many considerations enter into the question.  How do you intend to use the machine?  How much do you care about speed?  What sorts of changes in Windows and programs can accurately be predicted that will make your computer not be able to work with software over many years and Windows as it changes?  And how much more money are we talking about? 

 

And to explain my point further, if you apply the future proof argument or extrapolation to other areas, what are the results?  Do you end up advocating a much more powerful processor than that which works well now with Windows 10?  In the end, adding, with all these upgrades, 100 dollars, or 150 dollars to the price of a machine.  A little here and a little there and you may be talking about enough money to matter to people who want to be careful or reasonably careful about how much they spend.

 

I really doubt that Microsoft is going to create the kind of bad will and anger among its customers by making Windows 11 require enough more computer resources to make a lot of users’ machines obsolete or require them to spend money to upgrade their machines.

 

In short, my main point is that once you start applying the future proof argument, where does it lead and how much money is involved? 

 

Gene

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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Plus with Windows 11coming out, we don’t know the hardware requirements of that OS yet. Nor do we know  if JAWS will have new hard where requirements either.

I agree with Chris completely on this.

I’d go with 16GB to be safe.

My opinion is you don’t buy a laptop minimal specs just to last a year or two. You buy enough that will carry  you thru for a while.

I’d also go with a Core I5 11th gen.

Do you just want a clamshell laptop or w would you like to have it convert over to a tablet?

Is a keyboard with a  NumLock important to you?

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Hi Kathy.

 

In my experience, as one who uses jaws and the Microsoft office suite all the time, I can state that the two features that will make you happy are a solid state hard drive, and 16 gig of ram. Sure it is true that 8 gig will suffice, but I have 16 ram and solid state hard drives in all of my computers now and they work great. The difference in cost between 8 gig of ram and 16 gig is almost negligible.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: June 16, 2021 10:23 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

I do not want a slow computer

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy

 


Re: a white cane question

Victor
 

The latest thing in the blind community seems to be carrying what they call and identifier cane. This is a cane that low vision people carry so that they are identified as visually impaired even if they are not totally blind. Molly Burke, the blind girl who is all over social media was talking about it on one of her videos recently. I don’t get it, but whatever.

Victor

On Jun 17, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Alex Stone <alexstone87@hotmail.com> wrote:

You wouldn’t, unless you were going to use them for water divining.
On 18 Jun 2021, at 01:41, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:

Why would you need another cane for identification if you are going to use a folding cane? Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Where can you get a telescopic cane? I have folding canes and they are
quite bulky and I can't fit them in my purse. I would like it for
identification and then I would use the folding cane while I'm walking
independently.

Shelly

On 6/17/2021 5:17 AM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Victor,

I have had at least 2 or 3 telescopic canes.
I really like them for places like airports and planes, restaurants.
When I was working, I kept one at work.
I like how easy it is to collapse them and hang them on a chair or in a pouch etc..
But!! All the ones I have had would be rated as flimsy, they break real easy, usually at the bottom joint.
I'd like to find one that did not break so easily.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: June 16, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Are there any good collapsible canes out there? I’m not talking about the folding ones. I’m talking about the telescopic ones. The ones that are kind of like an antenna. I’ve only put my hands on one and that was a long time ago. But I have heard that these telescoping canes break very easily.

Victor
On Jun 16, 2021, at 10:08 PM, Nancy Hill <girlyscream@comcast.net> wrote:
Almost every time I go out with husband or friend. I have my Seeing Eye Dog, Nelly and for 'just in case' I always carry a collapseable carbon fiber cane in side my purse.


I don't know how to do it, but could someone advise how to check if the cord that works a folding cane could be shortened to add to the solid feel of the cane while in use?

nancy




On 6/17/2021 12:13 AM, Victor wrote:
I usually take my cane wherever I go as well. I didn’t when I was younger, but I find myself doing it more now just to be on the safe side.

Victor
On Jun 16, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Troy Burnham <troyburnham34@gmail.com> wrote:
Monty,


This cane is 3 sections like the others I've had over the years, but as I said the shaft of this cane is just slightly bigger around than the others I've had. Maybe the elastic cord inside the shaft is slightly looser than I'm used to and that's what causes it to not seem quite as solid as my past canes have been. It may not be as fragile as it seems to be, I'm just used to the sections fitting together more snugly than this.


Troy


On 6/16/2021 6:41 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Troy,
Mostof the canes I have seen are
4 sections which fit together quite snugly with and heavy, inner elastic chord.
They definitely do not fall apart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Troy Burnham
Sent: June 16, 2021 5:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Hi all,


I don't use a white cane much because when I go somewhere I'm almost always with somebody sighted and I walk sighted guide with them. I do have a cane though, one that an O&M instructor gave me, and it's slightly bigger around than any other cane I've ever had and the 3 sections fit together very loosely. Is that the way all canes are made these days?


I won't try to replace this one because I do use it so seldom, but when I unfold the cane and put the joints together they seem loose enough to me that one of the joints may snap if I get the cane stuck in a crack or in some other obstacle.


Thanks.


Troy


























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