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Re: drive image backup with win10 and nvda

Monte Single
 

Prices are  always coming dow in terms of gigs of memory per dollar.

Sometimes they seem to stagnateor rise a little.

Eight years ago I purchased a 120 gig sata drive and it was about a buck a gig.

The one I got today  was about 5 gigs for a buck.

5  gig of s s d memory  for  a buck is not too shabby;  it sounds even better if you say a gig of s s d memory for 20 cents.

Of course, those are Canadian cents.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: June 19, 2021 6:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] drive image backup with win10 and nvda

 

By the time I get to upgrading to an M.2 SSD they’ll be  even cheaper lol.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] drive image backup with win10 and nvda

 

Yes,  I just talked with the store and it comes with something called Magician.

…and my friend has already picked one up for me.

I’m not committed, but getting close.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: June 19, 2021 5:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] drive image backup with win10 and nvda

 

Believe (but am not certain of this fact), that the Samsung SSD will come with software to do this.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 7:44 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] drive image backup with win10 and nvda

 

Hi List,

 

I have decided to replace my 500 gig sata drive with a 500 gig s s d.

I think I’ll get the Samsung evo 860 s s d 500 gig drive.

I can get a WD blue for  a little less money,  but I like to go for thing that are  just a little more than the cheapest.

Ten bucks in this case.

 

I want to clone my sata 500 gig drive to a 500 gig s s d drive.

This means  transferring everything on my c drive to a new drive.

I would really like my browser, outlook 2016  etc. to come through intact.

I am using win10 20h2, current nvda, office 2016  and current chrome.

I am looking for the simplest and safest method.  I can  do a backup to an external disk.

The software does not have to be  blind friendly as I will have a sighted friend help me with this.

 

 

Thanks for all help.

As this subject has been covered on this list before,  any help and suggestions can be sent to me at; mrsingle@...

 

Cheers,

 

Monte


Re: drive image backup with win10 and nvda

John Holcomb II
 

By the time I get to upgrading to an M.2 SSD they’ll be  even cheaper lol.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] drive image backup with win10 and nvda

 

Yes,  I just talked with the store and it comes with something called Magician.

…and my friend has already picked one up for me.

I’m not committed, but getting close.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: June 19, 2021 5:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] drive image backup with win10 and nvda

 

Believe (but am not certain of this fact), that the Samsung SSD will come with software to do this.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 7:44 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] drive image backup with win10 and nvda

 

Hi List,

 

I have decided to replace my 500 gig sata drive with a 500 gig s s d.

I think I’ll get the Samsung evo 860 s s d 500 gig drive.

I can get a WD blue for  a little less money,  but I like to go for thing that are  just a little more than the cheapest.

Ten bucks in this case.

 

I want to clone my sata 500 gig drive to a 500 gig s s d drive.

This means  transferring everything on my c drive to a new drive.

I would really like my browser, outlook 2016  etc. to come through intact.

I am using win10 20h2, current nvda, office 2016  and current chrome.

I am looking for the simplest and safest method.  I can  do a backup to an external disk.

The software does not have to be  blind friendly as I will have a sighted friend help me with this.

 

 

Thanks for all help.

As this subject has been covered on this list before,  any help and suggestions can be sent to me at; mrsingle@...

 

Cheers,

 

Monte


Re: drive image backup with win10 and nvda

Monte Single
 

Yes,  I just talked with the store and it comes with something called Magician.

…and my friend has already picked one up for me.

I’m not committed, but getting close.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: June 19, 2021 5:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] drive image backup with win10 and nvda

 

Believe (but am not certain of this fact), that the Samsung SSD will come with software to do this.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 7:44 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] drive image backup with win10 and nvda

 

Hi List,

 

I have decided to replace my 500 gig sata drive with a 500 gig s s d.

I think I’ll get the Samsung evo 860 s s d 500 gig drive.

I can get a WD blue for  a little less money,  but I like to go for thing that are  just a little more than the cheapest.

Ten bucks in this case.

 

I want to clone my sata 500 gig drive to a 500 gig s s d drive.

This means  transferring everything on my c drive to a new drive.

I would really like my browser, outlook 2016  etc. to come through intact.

I am using win10 20h2, current nvda, office 2016  and current chrome.

I am looking for the simplest and safest method.  I can  do a backup to an external disk.

The software does not have to be  blind friendly as I will have a sighted friend help me with this.

 

 

Thanks for all help.

As this subject has been covered on this list before,  any help and suggestions can be sent to me at; mrsingle@...

 

Cheers,

 

Monte


Re: drive image backup with win10 and nvda

John Holcomb II
 

Believe (but am not certain of this fact), that the Samsung SSD will come with software to do this.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 7:44 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] drive image backup with win10 and nvda

 

Hi List,

 

I have decided to replace my 500 gig sata drive with a 500 gig s s d.

I think I’ll get the Samsung evo 860 s s d 500 gig drive.

I can get a WD blue for  a little less money,  but I like to go for thing that are  just a little more than the cheapest.

Ten bucks in this case.

 

I want to clone my sata 500 gig drive to a 500 gig s s d drive.

This means  transferring everything on my c drive to a new drive.

I would really like my browser, outlook 2016  etc. to come through intact.

I am using win10 20h2, current nvda, office 2016  and current chrome.

I am looking for the simplest and safest method.  I can  do a backup to an external disk.

The software does not have to be  blind friendly as I will have a sighted friend help me with this.

 

 

Thanks for all help.

As this subject has been covered on this list before,  any help and suggestions can be sent to me at; mrsingle@...

 

Cheers,

 

Monte


drive image backup with win10 and nvda

Monte Single
 

Hi List,

 

I have decided to replace my 500 gig sata drive with a 500 gig s s d.

I think I’ll get the Samsung evo 860 s s d 500 gig drive.

I can get a WD blue for  a little less money,  but I like to go for thing that are  just a little more than the cheapest.

Ten bucks in this case.

 

I want to clone my sata 500 gig drive to a 500 gig s s d drive.

This means  transferring everything on my c drive to a new drive.

I would really like my browser, outlook 2016  etc. to come through intact.

I am using win10 20h2, current nvda, office 2016  and current chrome.

I am looking for the simplest and safest method.  I can  do a backup to an external disk.

The software does not have to be  blind friendly as I will have a sighted friend help me with this.

 

 

Thanks for all help.

As this subject has been covered on this list before,  any help and suggestions can be sent to me at; mrsingle@...

 

Cheers,

 

Monte


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

John Holcomb II
 

The CPU usage is only 1% the fans are very quiet and only spin up if it’s a heavy task which pretty much never happens lol.

Yeah I definitely went overkill on this thing.

However if it lasts me for at least 10 years or more I’ll be happy.

The only thing that is unknown to me is what upgrading the OS will do as far as taxing the box.

Its liquid cooled.

And it almost never turns off

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

OK,

A lot of those numbers went right over my head or  bounced off my thick skull,  but I understand you are using about  25%.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: June 19, 2021 5:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

It doesn’t, that I know of.

But right now  if I take a look at my task manager with several browser windows open, JAWS, TeamViewer, outlook and its various messages open, some windows inm browsers having multiple tabs, Sound Forge Studio 10, Winamp I think… we’re looking at

15GB being used, with

Cached 48795 Threads 3093
Available 49856 Processes 159
Cached 48795 Threads 3094
Available 49856 Processes 159
Free 1114 Up Time 29:23:21:35
Commit (GB) 17GB

I’m not sure how Windows  10 or 11 u utilize ram different t  then windows 7, which I’m currently on.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 7:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well John,

 

How does your machine use 64 gig of ddr 4 ram?

Or is it just like a big old dog,  lying there, sleeping!

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: June 19, 2021 3:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Yeah… When I bought this in 2017 AMD wasn’t in the game yet or I wouldn’t have bought this.

Do  our screen readers and Windows take advantage of multi-core processors yet I wonder?

Mine is overkill I know, but I’ll probably keep it until it becomes too slow.

Whitebox

3.75 gigahertz Intel Core i7-6950X

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. SABERTOOTH X99 Rev 1.xx

64GB DDR4 ram.

I forget which ram I put in here.

I plan to put an M.2 SSD in here next and upgrade to I guess it’ll be Windows 11? As right now I’m on a spinning Western Digital Red on Windows 7.

This will be much better when I put an M.2 in here I’m sure!

The graphics is a Nvidia GForce 210

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

 He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

Monte Single
 

OK,

A lot of those numbers went right over my head or  bounced off my thick skull,  but I understand you are using about  25%.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: June 19, 2021 5:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

It doesn’t, that I know of.

But right now  if I take a look at my task manager with several browser windows open, JAWS, TeamViewer, outlook and its various messages open, some windows inm browsers having multiple tabs, Sound Forge Studio 10, Winamp I think… we’re looking at

15GB being used, with

Cached 48795 Threads 3093
Available 49856 Processes 159
Cached 48795 Threads 3094
Available 49856 Processes 159
Free 1114 Up Time 29:23:21:35
Commit (GB) 17GB

I’m not sure how Windows  10 or 11 u utilize ram different t  then windows 7, which I’m currently on.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 7:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well John,

 

How does your machine use 64 gig of ddr 4 ram?

Or is it just like a big old dog,  lying there, sleeping!

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: June 19, 2021 3:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Yeah… When I bought this in 2017 AMD wasn’t in the game yet or I wouldn’t have bought this.

Do  our screen readers and Windows take advantage of multi-core processors yet I wonder?

Mine is overkill I know, but I’ll probably keep it until it becomes too slow.

Whitebox

3.75 gigahertz Intel Core i7-6950X

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. SABERTOOTH X99 Rev 1.xx

64GB DDR4 ram.

I forget which ram I put in here.

I plan to put an M.2 SSD in here next and upgrade to I guess it’ll be Windows 11? As right now I’m on a spinning Western Digital Red on Windows 7.

This will be much better when I put an M.2 in here I’m sure!

The graphics is a Nvidia GForce 210

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

 He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

John Holcomb II
 

It doesn’t, that I know of.

But right now  if I take a look at my task manager with several browser windows open, JAWS, TeamViewer, outlook and its various messages open, some windows inm browsers having multiple tabs, Sound Forge Studio 10, Winamp I think… we’re looking at

15GB being used, with

Cached 48795 Threads 3093
Available 49856 Processes 159
Cached 48795 Threads 3094
Available 49856 Processes 159
Free 1114 Up Time 29:23:21:35
Commit (GB) 17GB

I’m not sure how Windows  10 or 11 u utilize ram different t  then windows 7, which I’m currently on.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 7:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well John,

 

How does your machine use 64 gig of ddr 4 ram?

Or is it just like a big old dog,  lying there, sleeping!

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: June 19, 2021 3:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Yeah… When I bought this in 2017 AMD wasn’t in the game yet or I wouldn’t have bought this.

Do  our screen readers and Windows take advantage of multi-core processors yet I wonder?

Mine is overkill I know, but I’ll probably keep it until it becomes too slow.

Whitebox

3.75 gigahertz Intel Core i7-6950X

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. SABERTOOTH X99 Rev 1.xx

64GB DDR4 ram.

I forget which ram I put in here.

I plan to put an M.2 SSD in here next and upgrade to I guess it’ll be Windows 11? As right now I’m on a spinning Western Digital Red on Windows 7.

This will be much better when I put an M.2 in here I’m sure!

The graphics is a Nvidia GForce 210

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

 He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

Monte Single
 

Well John,

 

How does your machine use 64 gig of ddr 4 ram?

Or is it just like a big old dog,  lying there, sleeping!

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: June 19, 2021 3:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Yeah… When I bought this in 2017 AMD wasn’t in the game yet or I wouldn’t have bought this.

Do  our screen readers and Windows take advantage of multi-core processors yet I wonder?

Mine is overkill I know, but I’ll probably keep it until it becomes too slow.

Whitebox

3.75 gigahertz Intel Core i7-6950X

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. SABERTOOTH X99 Rev 1.xx

64GB DDR4 ram.

I forget which ram I put in here.

I plan to put an M.2 SSD in here next and upgrade to I guess it’ll be Windows 11? As right now I’m on a spinning Western Digital Red on Windows 7.

This will be much better when I put an M.2 in here I’m sure!

The graphics is a Nvidia GForce 210

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

 He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

John Holcomb II
 

So several things to think about.

For those that are suggesting spending more money is better, what if the person doesn’t have it?

What if they only have a few  hundred dollars to spend now and then possibly again in a few y years or live on fixed income?

This could be a lot of people.

Maybe some of you would not buy refurb units, but if you had only $500 right now… and you wanted to get some of the specs we’re suggesting, then the only way to get it that cheap is to not buy new.

Especially true when it comes to laptops.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 6:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I’m not sure what you are saying.  I’m saying that I had no problem with heat using old machines going back to the nineties.  And I don’t know what you mean by the most basic of computer tasks.  I used machines from the early 2000’s to browse, stream, including from Youtube, record audio, word process, and copy backups to external drives.  My laptop is about eleven years old.  Even if my apartment is warm, eighty or eighty-five degrees, I have absolutely no trouble with heat doing the things I discuss, nor do I have problems with the other much older machines I have.  My fans do not race. 

 

I hope others enter into this conversation.  You just do not need a nine-hundred dollar machine if you are a typical computer user, though you seem, as I understand what you are saying, to be advocating that.

 

Gene

-----Original message-----

 

 

Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 4:04 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Likewise, your experiences, or lack there of of heat doesn't represent everyone with older machines. It is well established that very old processors are underpowered for anything but the most basic of computing tasks, and generate tremendous amounts of heat. You would need to compare it to a brand new high powered laptop to really feel the difference.

On 6/19/2021 1:35 PM, Gene wrote:

I have never had a problem with heat and, though I don’t discount your experience, it cannot be assumed to be representative.  My laptop, an eleven year old machine, seldom has its fan run at anything but a slow speed and that is when I do most things I do, including streaming videos from Youtube. 

 

I have another old, by today’s standards very underpowered machine that runs XP.  I never had a heat problem and I would use it for Youtube.  I should also add that I have another old machine that runs XP and it too never had such a problem.  One person’s experience is not valid for generalization when discussing computer problems and performance.

 

If other people report similar experiences, I would take that into account but nothing in my experience supports your experience.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 1:05 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

Gene
 

What I meant to say is I have no problem with heat using my laptop or the much older machines I have.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop
 
I’m not sure what you are saying.  I’m saying that I had no problem with heat using old machines going back to the nineties.  And I don’t know what you mean by the most basic of computer tasks.  I used machines from the early 2000’s to browse, stream, including from Youtube, record audio, word process, and copy backups to external drives.  My laptop is about eleven years old.  Even if my apartment is warm, eighty or eighty-five degrees, I have absolutely no trouble with heat doing the things I discuss, nor do I have problems with the other much older machines I have.  My fans do not race. 
 
I hope others enter into this conversation.  You just do not need a nine-hundred dollar machine if you are a typical computer user, though you seem, as I understand what you are saying, to be advocating that.
 
Gene
-----Original message-----
 
 
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop
 

Likewise, your experiences, or lack there of of heat doesn't represent everyone with older machines. It is well established that very old processors are underpowered for anything but the most basic of computing tasks, and generate tremendous amounts of heat. You would need to compare it to a brand new high powered laptop to really feel the difference.

On 6/19/2021 1:35 PM, Gene wrote:
I have never had a problem with heat and, though I don’t discount your experience, it cannot be assumed to be representative.  My laptop, an eleven year old machine, seldom has its fan run at anything but a slow speed and that is when I do most things I do, including streaming videos from Youtube. 
 
I have another old, by today’s standards very underpowered machine that runs XP.  I never had a heat problem and I would use it for Youtube.  I should also add that I have another old machine that runs XP and it too never had such a problem.  One person’s experience is not valid for generalization when discussing computer problems and performance.
 
If other people report similar experiences, I would take that into account but nothing in my experience supports your experience.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop
 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

Gene
 

I’m not sure what you are saying.  I’m saying that I had no problem with heat using old machines going back to the nineties.  And I don’t know what you mean by the most basic of computer tasks.  I used machines from the early 2000’s to browse, stream, including from Youtube, record audio, word process, and copy backups to external drives.  My laptop is about eleven years old.  Even if my apartment is warm, eighty or eighty-five degrees, I have absolutely no trouble with heat doing the things I discuss, nor do I have problems with the other much older machines I have.  My fans do not race. 
 
I hope others enter into this conversation.  You just do not need a nine-hundred dollar machine if you are a typical computer user, though you seem, as I understand what you are saying, to be advocating that.
 
Gene

-----Original message-----
 
 
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop
 

Likewise, your experiences, or lack there of of heat doesn't represent everyone with older machines. It is well established that very old processors are underpowered for anything but the most basic of computing tasks, and generate tremendous amounts of heat. You would need to compare it to a brand new high powered laptop to really feel the difference.

On 6/19/2021 1:35 PM, Gene wrote:
I have never had a problem with heat and, though I don’t discount your experience, it cannot be assumed to be representative.  My laptop, an eleven year old machine, seldom has its fan run at anything but a slow speed and that is when I do most things I do, including streaming videos from Youtube. 
 
I have another old, by today’s standards very underpowered machine that runs XP.  I never had a heat problem and I would use it for Youtube.  I should also add that I have another old machine that runs XP and it too never had such a problem.  One person’s experience is not valid for generalization when discussing computer problems and performance.
 
If other people report similar experiences, I would take that into account but nothing in my experience supports your experience.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop
 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

John Holcomb II
 

Yeah… When I bought this in 2017 AMD wasn’t in the game yet or I wouldn’t have bought this.

Do  our screen readers and Windows take advantage of multi-core processors yet I wonder?

Mine is overkill I know, but I’ll probably keep it until it becomes too slow.

Whitebox

3.75 gigahertz Intel Core i7-6950X

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. SABERTOOTH X99 Rev 1.xx

64GB DDR4 ram.

I forget which ram I put in here.

I plan to put an M.2 SSD in here next and upgrade to I guess it’ll be Windows 11? As right now I’m on a spinning Western Digital Red on Windows 7.

This will be much better when I put an M.2 in here I’m sure!

The graphics is a Nvidia GForce 210

John

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

 He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

enes sarıbaş
 

Likewise, your experiences, or lack there of of heat doesn't represent everyone with older machines. It is well established that very old processors are underpowered for anything but the most basic of computing tasks, and generate tremendous amounts of heat. You would need to compare it to a brand new high powered laptop to really feel the difference.

On 6/19/2021 1:35 PM, Gene wrote:
I have never had a problem with heat and, though I don’t discount your experience, it cannot be assumed to be representative.  My laptop, an eleven year old machine, seldom has its fan run at anything but a slow speed and that is when I do most things I do, including streaming videos from Youtube. 
 
I have another old, by today’s standards very underpowered machine that runs XP.  I never had a heat problem and I would use it for Youtube.  I should also add that I have another old machine that runs XP and it too never had such a problem.  One person’s experience is not valid for generalization when discussing computer problems and performance.
 
If other people report similar experiences, I would take that into account but nothing in my experience supports your experience.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop
 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

Gene
 

I have never had a problem with heat and, though I don’t discount your experience, it cannot be assumed to be representative.  My laptop, an eleven year old machine, seldom has its fan run at anything but a slow speed and that is when I do most things I do, including streaming videos from Youtube. 
 
I have another old, by today’s standards very underpowered machine that runs XP.  I never had a heat problem and I would use it for Youtube.  I should also add that I have another old machine that runs XP and it too never had such a problem.  One person’s experience is not valid for generalization when discussing computer problems and performance.
 
If other people report similar experiences, I would take that into account but nothing in my experience supports your experience.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop
 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

enes sarıbaş
 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

 He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

John Holcomb II
 

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

 He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: a white cane question

Monte Single
 

Yes, these canes cost $> 33.87
I had put it in the message, but neglected to insert the $ sign.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shelly Kane
Sent: June 19, 2021 3:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Monte:


Thank you for giving me this information. I have actually used Ambutech before to order a mobility device. Do you know how much these telescopic canes run?

Shelly

On 6/18/2021 8:37 AM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Shelly,

You will find a telescoping cane at;

www.ambutech.com

1-800-561-3340


33.87
Tfs multisection telescoping fiberglass cane

This company is located in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, but their
products are sold by the usual gang;

Independent living aids,
L s and s group,
Maxi aids.
Their fiberglass telescoping cane is intended as an identity cane and not a mobility device, meaning it breaks more easily than a regular travel cane.

Cheers,

Monte
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Shelly Kane
Sent: June 17, 2021 4:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Where can you get a telescopic cane? I have folding canes and they are quite bulky and I can't fit them in my purse. I would like it for identification and then I would use the folding cane while I'm walking independently.

Shelly

On 6/17/2021 5:17 AM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Victor,

I have had at least 2 or 3 telescopic canes.
I really like them for places like airports and planes, restaurants.
When I was working, I kept one at work.
I like how easy it is to collapse them and hang them on a chair or in a pouch etc..
But!! All the ones I have had would be rated as flimsy, they break real easy, usually at the bottom joint.
I'd like to find one that did not break so easily.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Victor
Sent: June 16, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Are there any good collapsible canes out there? I’m not talking about the folding ones. I’m talking about the telescopic ones. The ones that are kind of like an antenna. I’ve only put my hands on one and that was a long time ago. But I have heard that these telescoping canes break very easily.

Victor
On Jun 16, 2021, at 10:08 PM, Nancy Hill <girlyscream@comcast.net> wrote:

Almost every time I go out with husband or friend. I have my Seeing Eye Dog, Nelly and for 'just in case' I always carry a collapseable carbon fiber cane in side my purse.


I don't know how to do it, but could someone advise how to check if the cord that works a folding cane could be shortened to add to the solid feel of the cane while in use?

nancy




On 6/17/2021 12:13 AM, Victor wrote:
I usually take my cane wherever I go as well. I didn’t when I was younger, but I find myself doing it more now just to be on the safe side.

Victor
On Jun 16, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Troy Burnham <troyburnham34@gmail.com> wrote:
Monty,


This cane is 3 sections like the others I've had over the years, but as I said the shaft of this cane is just slightly bigger around than the others I've had. Maybe the elastic cord inside the shaft is slightly looser than I'm used to and that's what causes it to not seem quite as solid as my past canes have been. It may not be as fragile as it seems to be, I'm just used to the sections fitting together more snugly than this.


Troy


On 6/16/2021 6:41 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Troy,
Mostof the canes I have seen are
4 sections which fit together quite snugly with and heavy, inner elastic chord.
They definitely do not fall apart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Troy Burnham
Sent: June 16, 2021 5:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Hi all,


I don't use a white cane much because when I go somewhere I'm almost always with somebody sighted and I walk sighted guide with them. I do have a cane though, one that an O&M instructor gave me, and it's slightly bigger around than any other cane I've ever had and the 3 sections fit together very loosely. Is that the way all canes are made these days?


I won't try to replace this one because I do use it so seldom, but when I unfold the cane and put the joints together they seem loose enough to me that one of the joints may snap if I get the cane stuck in a crack or in some other obstacle.


Thanks.


Troy


























Re: a white cane question

Shelly Kane
 

Monte:


Thank you for giving me this information.  I have actually used Ambutech before to order a mobility device.  Do you know how much these telescopic canes run?

Shelly

On 6/18/2021 8:37 AM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Shelly,

You will find a telescoping cane at;

www.ambutech.com

1-800-561-3340


33.87
Tfs multisection telescoping fiberglass cane

This company is located in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, but their products are sold by the usual gang;

Independent living aids,
L s and s group,
Maxi aids.
Their fiberglass telescoping cane is intended as an identity cane and not a mobility device, meaning it breaks more easily than a regular travel cane.

Cheers,

Monte
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shelly Kane
Sent: June 17, 2021 4:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Where can you get a telescopic cane? I have folding canes and they are quite bulky and I can't fit them in my purse. I would like it for identification and then I would use the folding cane while I'm walking independently.

Shelly

On 6/17/2021 5:17 AM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Victor,

I have had at least 2 or 3 telescopic canes.
I really like them for places like airports and planes, restaurants.
When I was working, I kept one at work.
I like how easy it is to collapse them and hang them on a chair or in a pouch etc..
But!! All the ones I have had would be rated as flimsy, they break real easy, usually at the bottom joint.
I'd like to find one that did not break so easily.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Victor
Sent: June 16, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Are there any good collapsible canes out there? I’m not talking about the folding ones. I’m talking about the telescopic ones. The ones that are kind of like an antenna. I’ve only put my hands on one and that was a long time ago. But I have heard that these telescoping canes break very easily.

Victor
On Jun 16, 2021, at 10:08 PM, Nancy Hill <girlyscream@comcast.net> wrote:

Almost every time I go out with husband or friend. I have my Seeing Eye Dog, Nelly and for 'just in case' I always carry a collapseable carbon fiber cane in side my purse.


I don't know how to do it, but could someone advise how to check if the cord that works a folding cane could be shortened to add to the solid feel of the cane while in use?

nancy




On 6/17/2021 12:13 AM, Victor wrote:
I usually take my cane wherever I go as well. I didn’t when I was younger, but I find myself doing it more now just to be on the safe side.

Victor
On Jun 16, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Troy Burnham <troyburnham34@gmail.com> wrote:
Monty,


This cane is 3 sections like the others I've had over the years, but as I said the shaft of this cane is just slightly bigger around than the others I've had. Maybe the elastic cord inside the shaft is slightly looser than I'm used to and that's what causes it to not seem quite as solid as my past canes have been. It may not be as fragile as it seems to be, I'm just used to the sections fitting together more snugly than this.


Troy


On 6/16/2021 6:41 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Troy,
Mostof the canes I have seen are
4 sections which fit together quite snugly with and heavy, inner elastic chord.
They definitely do not fall apart.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Troy Burnham
Sent: June 16, 2021 5:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] a white cane question

Hi all,


I don't use a white cane much because when I go somewhere I'm almost always with somebody sighted and I walk sighted guide with them. I do have a cane though, one that an O&M instructor gave me, and it's slightly bigger around than any other cane I've ever had and the 3 sections fit together very loosely. Is that the way all canes are made these days?


I won't try to replace this one because I do use it so seldom, but when I unfold the cane and put the joints together they seem loose enough to me that one of the joints may snap if I get the cane stuck in a crack or in some other obstacle.


Thanks.


Troy

























Re: Recommendations for a new laptop

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For example, NVIDIA has the rtx series, that has the boost DL extentions and ray tracing. But not only does it use this for gaming, the AI instructions can be used for RTX voice, to filter background sound.

On 6/18/2021 11:24 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Yeah but look at what you posted.

Sh’es not doing even one of these things.

She’ll  be doing emails and web browsing and office work.

She’s a very light user of a computer.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 11:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

That depends. Graphics aren't just for photoshop or gaming.

https://gameranswers.com/do-i-need-a-graphics-card-if-i-dont-play-games/

On 6/17/2021 6:15 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Just as I thought. She doesn’t need  integrated graphics.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Here is a quote from an article on this subject:

Of course, integrated graphics have their downsides too. First, they’re weak. They’re intended for the demands of a desktop user who reads email, browses the web, drafts documents, not users who do more demanding things like games.

 

Gene

Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Ok… but is it performance that will be noticed for a blind person running an M.2 SD SSD and 16GB of ram?

If all they are doing is web browsing and email and office work how much will integrated graphics  kill performance?

I don’t think for that tasks having  a built in  GPU will harm enough for it to be noticeable.

Ok…  what if the person doesn’t have $900 to spend? I suppose there are payment options you could pay it off over time but some don’t want to do that.

John

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 5:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I would never buy used equipment that if I could get new. There is no garantie what condition it was used as. And discrete graphics it is simple. Intigrated graphics reduce system performance, as well as the ram. If you have discrete graphics,. browsers, and other apps use the GPU for hardware acceleration and to improve performance. So graphics isn't just for gaming, but the processor itself is useful, and doesn't add much to the price. An entry level graphics is fine, like the rtx 2060 or 3060 now.

On 6/17/2021 2:43 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Tell me why a blind person would need discreet graphics.

That’s the only thing but past that I agree with you on everything else.

I’m not  so sure I agree with

You on price, I haven’t priced new ones and s specked them out.

I know on BestBuy or other places if you go refurb, you can get some pretty good deals on yesterday’s wine that is good enough.

John

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

This is incorrect. 8 gb is ok, but 16 is even better. With no apps open, my win10 system eats about 5.5 gb. That leaves  very little for anything else if I used 8 gb. True a powerful computer probably isn't required, but an 800-900 or so good laptop is worth it for the responsiveness and pleasant experience. A minimum  of dual channel ram, an SSD, discrete graphics, and an i5/R5.

On 6/16/2021 8:27 AM, Gene wrote:

You don’t need a powerful computer to do what you want to do.  Most computers today come with 8gb of ram and you don’t need more.  You aren’t using any memory intensive applications that might bring you even close to using 8gb of RAM.  I haven’t priced various laptops or kept up with different models for a long time, but I doubt you will have to spend more than five or six hundred dollars to get a laptop that will fill your needs well.  I’ll let others discuss the question further.

 

Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 8:23 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

I will not be traveling with my laptop. I am doing a ministry through our church so I use the Internet a lot. I also print out braille so I have a Duxberry program and of course I use the latest jaws I just wanted to make sure that I have enough memory in my computer for it to last me for a little bit I also like to keep books on my computer because I download from bard as well

I do not want a slow computer

 

Kathy Sent from my iPhone




On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:04 PM, John Holcomb II mailto:jhii926@... wrote:



What do you do with your laptop? How much is your budget?

Will you be traveling a lot with this and need a good  battery ?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Kathy Pingstock
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Recommendations for a new laptop

 

Good afternoon to all

 

I need to purchase a new laptop, I need help with how much memory and everything I need for my laptop I use the latest jaws  and I use office products I’d like to do the Internet as well I’m not good at this part when it comes to purchasing a laptop and everything I should have in it

 

 

Kathy

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