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Re: opening two documents

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Actually, Blaster, you don't close the first document if you open a second one from within it, at least it doesn't do that in my Word set up. You may want to explore the menus in your set-up. You may find a check box that needs unchecking.

Now, I don't use Wordpad or NotePad much at all, preferring Ed Sharp, but as I say, there may be a solution here.

Ann P.


Original message:

Yes, Just remember you need to open the second document from outside
of the main document. For instance, If your in notepad and you have a
file open, then go to the pulldown menu and try to open the second
document it will assume you want to close the first document and open
the second.
Open your first document and then navigate to the second document and
open it in the same way as you did the first and a second instance of
the program will appear with the second document.
Then as described in the last post, use alt tab switching to jump back
and forth between the documents, using cut, copy and paste along the
way.
Alt Tab switching works like this,
Press the ALT key and hold it while tapping the TAB key. With each
TAB key press you'll hear the name of your open programs. Releasing
the keys will place you on that open program. Once you've established
a jump between the first and second document, all you need to do is a
quick ALT key press with one tap of the TAB key press followed by
releasing the keys, to toggle back and forth between the two
documents.
HTH,
Blaster


On 7/31/21, gbmagoo@gmail.com <gbmagoo@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you doing copy paste?
If so you can open both and alt tab between and do your copy from one and
paste in the other. You can also do cut and paste
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe
Giovanelli
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 13:37
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] opening two documents
Hello,

The subject almost says what I need.

I wish to open two documents simultaneously. I need to move information
between them.

I use Win 10.Is there a way to do this?

Joe Giovanelli














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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
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Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: opening two documents

Ann Parsons
 

Morning all,

Glad to know you're using Win10, but that doesn't help us in this instance. What word processor are you using: Word, LibreOffice, what?

If using word, then open your first document, say it's called thesis.docx. While you're in that document, either press ctrl-n for a new document, or press ctrl-o to enter the open dialog of Word. Find your alternate file, say it's called notes.docx. The file should open.

Now, if you alt-tab, you should be able to see both thesis.docx and notes.docx. Use your normal Mark, Cut, Copy and Paste commands to manipulate the text of both documents.

I believe if using LibreOffice, the commands would be the same as in Word. I don't have info on other word processors.

Ann P.


Original message:

Hello,

The subject almost says what I need.

I wish to open two documents simultaneously. I need to move information
between them.

I use Win 10.Is there a way to do this?

Joe Giovanelli


--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Info about Pen Friend

chris judge
 

Hi Marie:

 

Check out this you tube video. It explains how way around works. I use it all the time it’s fantastic.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCn7T2YC_BQ

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Nelson
Sent: July 31, 2021 4:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Info about Pen Friend

 

This is not Marilyn, but would appreciate info from a user of the Way Around system. How is it more versatile? Also, does it provide different labels such as the laundry labels which are fantastic for labeling clothing.

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: chris judge

Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 1:00 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Info about Pen Friend

 

Hi Marilyn.

 

Just a question. Do you use a smart phone? If so, you might want to consider the way around labelling system, much more versatile. If you want more info please ask.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn and Don Bilderback
Sent: July 30, 2021 11:38 PM
To: TECHTALK <techtalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Info about Pen Friend

 

My Pen Friend finally bit the dust after years of almost daily use.  Now I can’t independently pick out my own clothes.  I sure miss that thing!

 

Anyone use the new Pen Friend, I think it is called the 3. 

 

I would appreciate any information from users about how they like it or what doesn’t work.  It says it takes 3 to 6 weeks to come and you order from Maxi Aids.  Any other sellers of this product?  Either the price has gone up a lot or I surely don’t remember the cost being so high. Sounds like it comes from the UK.

 

This is one item I have gotten much use out of.  It makes me mad that I heard you can’t use the labels with the new one.

 

Help me make up my mind whether to order another Pen Friend.  Thanks much.  Marilyn  


solution for electronically filling out scanned-images of pdfs, (urgent time sensitive)

David Mehler
 

Hello,

I've got an urgent, time sensitive issue I'm needing some help with. I
was sent some documents that I thought were word forms that I could
fill out. Turns out they are pdfs, scanned images of pdfs to be
specific. I've got to somehow get them in to a form I can see what
they want, then fill them out, then repackage them so that I can
resend them back. This is for what is shaping up to be a legal matter,
so would appreciate any quick responses.

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: Email Question

Marilyn and Don Bilderback
 

Shelly,
Just like me, I want only the basics on my computer. I manage finethat way. Glad there is another person who thinks like I do.
Marilyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shelly Kane
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 2:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

John:


Thanks for getting back to me. I think I told you that I hit Control Enter to send a message and to begin a message, I hit Control N. As to the folders, I like all of my mail to go into the in box. When I delete a message, I have it go into the trash folder and then when there is a lot, I delete them totally from that folder and they come off the computer. I don't like to plug my computer up with messages. I also have a sent folder that the message I send fall into. When I start a message and can't finish it, it goes to the drafts folder and then I can go back to it after I save it. That's all of the folders I want.

Shelly

On 7/30/2021 4:10 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
Hey Shelly,
Like ok right now.
Do you have rules set up so that certain mail go into certain folders?

The keystrokes to send a message will remain the same no matter which protocol you use, pop3 or imap.
Because you see, the keystroke you use to send the message is one that is built into the program.
Does that make sense ?
Once you answer the question about folders, I can direct you further.
Glad to help in any way that I can!
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Shelly Kane
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 8:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

John:


No, no one explained iMap the way you just did. I'm not tech savvy at
all so I'm lucky that I can do the things I can. The question I have
is when I set up iMap, will it look my folders in Thunderbird that I
have set up now? When I open the program, I download my mail and then
I hit
F6 to see a list of my folders and I hit tab and then it says filter messages and then I can do my business and go down the list of messages. Does iMap work like that or is it more involved? My niece is sighted and usually helps me with these things. I would eventually want my mail to come off the server so it doesn't clog my devices. When I send a message, I hit Control Enter and then when I'm done, I hit Control S to send. Does this work the same way for iMap? Sorry that I have so many questions. I just need to know that things work the same way so I don't have to start all over again. If you could tell me how to set it up step by step, I could definitely do it. Thanks in advance.

Shelly

On 7/30/2021 6:15 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:
Hey Shelly.
I’m not here to decide what is best for you but let me explain something to you.
If you use iMap then whatever happens server side will apply to every device you use at the same time.
Let’s say you get a message on your thunderbird and open it and read it .
Once you go to your phone, the same message will be there and it’ll be marked as read.
Let’s say you open a message on your phone, read it , then reply to it.
Your message will be marked as replied, you’re reply be put into a sent folder.
Let’s say you then go to your PC. You’ll see the same message, but it’ll be marked as replied, and you’ll see it in the sent folder, just as you would on your phone.

This applies to anything you do using email.
Deleting messages, forwarding messages, creating folders, literally anything.
See the advantage of iMap is that it doesn’t matter what device you do what on.
I used to use Pop3 some while back, but see this is exactly why IMAP exists.
For this very reason. For people who have and use multiple devices.
this way you don’t have to worry about what you open where and when.
This way you don’t have to think, hmm. Did I open the mail on my PC, is it on my phone? Where is it?
Where is the reply?:
It also just makes managing mail a lot easier.
IMAP is made for multiple device/web access.

No mattter if you do these things on your thunderbird, or your phone, or the web interface, the server will keep track of everything that is done and it’ll be mirrored across devices. I did read the thread, but not sure if anyone explains in greater detail the advantages of imap.
In case they didn’t, that’s why i wrote you here.
I’d personally a advise you switch to iMap with your mails. It’ll make life a lot easier for you, in my opinion.

Take care,
John


Sent from my iPod

On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:57 AM, Shelly Kane <shellykane323@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you so much for explaining this to me. I use a pop3 account and have for years. Now at least I understand what's going on. I wouldn't use my phone that much for email. I was just looking into it. If I don't download my mail right away onto Thunderbird, I can see it on the web or my phone. I have no idea how to use IMap so I would rather stick with the pop3 which I know. Thanks so much for your help.

Shelly

On 7/29/2021 7:51 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi There,

You must have your mail account set to imap for this to woork properly. Imap will automatically leave a copy on the server of all received mail. With pop3, all e-mail is downloaded just one time and nothing is left on the server.
I forget what mail account you have, so i can't help any more than that.

On 7/29/2021 4:28 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Hi Group:


I have a complicated question about my email and hope someone can answer this. I tried putting my email account on my phone last night so I can start looking at it and not get on the computer all the time. So after I got it all set up, it worked great. The mail downloaded just fine and I wanted to make sure it still worked in Thunderbird because I use the computer more. It downloaded in Thunderbird just fine but here's the problem. When I went back on the phone to see if the mail was in both places, Thunderbird blocked it. My phone had no email on there. It was wiped clean. This happens also when I download mail into Thunderbird and I go to my gmail account on the web you can't see the mail on google either if it's already in Thunderbird. Do any of you know why this keeps happening and is there anything simple I can do about it? Thanks in advance for any help.

Shelly








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Re: opening two documents

Gene
 

In which  program?  You can open two documents in all Windows programs for working with documents I know of.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 3:37 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] opening two documents
 
Hello,


The subject almost says what I need.


I wish to open two documents simultaneously. I need to move information
between them.


I use Win 10.Is there a way to do this?


Joe Giovanelli






Re: opening two documents

Carolyn Arnold
 

Joe Joe, if you have JAWS and Windows:

1. Press Windows M That puts the open program you are working in on the Taskbar.
2. Open whatever you want to open.
3. Alt+Tab to go to the first one; Alt+Tab to go to the second one.
4. You'll have to close each program separately.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 4:37 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] opening two documents

Hello,


The subject almost says what I need.


I wish to open two documents simultaneously. I need to move information between them.


I use Win 10.Is there a way to do this?


Joe Giovanelli


Re: opening two documents

Blaster
 

Yes, Just remember you need to open the second document from outside
of the main document. For instance, If your in notepad and you have a
file open, then go to the pulldown menu and try to open the second
document it will assume you want to close the first document and open
the second.

Open your first document and then navigate to the second document and
open it in the same way as you did the first and a second instance of
the program will appear with the second document.

Then as described in the last post, use alt tab switching to jump back
and forth between the documents, using cut, copy and paste along the
way.

Alt Tab switching works like this,
Press the ALT key and hold it while tapping the TAB key. With each
TAB key press you'll hear the name of your open programs. Releasing
the keys will place you on that open program. Once you've established
a jump between the first and second document, all you need to do is a
quick ALT key press with one tap of the TAB key press followed by
releasing the keys, to toggle back and forth between the two
documents.

HTH,
Blaster

On 7/31/21, gbmagoo@gmail.com <gbmagoo@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you doing copy paste?

If so you can open both and alt tab between and do your copy from one and
paste in the other. You can also do cut and paste

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe
Giovanelli
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 13:37
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] opening two documents

Hello,


The subject almost says what I need.


I wish to open two documents simultaneously. I need to move information
between them.


I use Win 10.Is there a way to do this?


Joe Giovanelli













Re: opening two documents

gbmagoo@...
 

Are you doing copy paste?

If so you can open both and alt tab between and do your copy from one and paste in the other. You can also do cut and paste

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 13:37
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] opening two documents

Hello,


The subject almost says what I need.


I wish to open two documents simultaneously. I need to move information between them.


I use Win 10.Is there a way to do this?


Joe Giovanelli


opening two documents

Joe Giovanelli
 

Hello,


The subject almost says what I need.


I wish to open two documents simultaneously. I need to move information between them.


I use Win 10.Is there a way to do this?


Joe Giovanelli


Re: Info about Pen Friend

Marie Nelson
 

This is not Marilyn, but would appreciate info from a user of the Way Around system. How is it more versatile? Also, does it provide different labels such as the laundry labels which are fantastic for labeling clothing.
Thanks, Marie
 
 

From: chris judge
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 1:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Info about Pen Friend
 

Hi Marilyn.

 

Just a question. Do you use a smart phone? If so, you might want to consider the way around labelling system, much more versatile. If you want more info please ask.

 

Chris Judge

JAWS Certified, 2021

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn and Don Bilderback
Sent: July 30, 2021 11:38 PM
To: TECHTALK <techtalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Info about Pen Friend

 

My Pen Friend finally bit the dust after years of almost daily use.  Now I can’t independently pick out my own clothes.  I sure miss that thing!

 

Anyone use the new Pen Friend, I think it is called the 3. 

 

I would appreciate any information from users about how they like it or what doesn’t work.  It says it takes 3 to 6 weeks to come and you order from Maxi Aids.  Any other sellers of this product?  Either the price has gone up a lot or I surely don’t remember the cost being so high. Sounds like it comes from the UK.

 

This is one item I have gotten much use out of.  It makes me mad that I heard you can’t use the labels with the new one.

 

Help me make up my mind whether to order another Pen Friend.  Thanks much.  Marilyn  


Re: Email Question

Sugar
 

John
I use Imap and love it
Thanks
Shelly, you should try it
Sugar

“How lucky I am to have something that makes saying goodbye so hard.”
- - Winnie the Pooh

Please walk with me through a second chance of life:
https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey

-Sugar, ❤😘

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 8:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

Hey Shelly
Then y if you decide to go with imap, everything will be easy!
That's exactly what it does by default.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shelly Kane
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 5:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

John:


Thanks for getting back to me. I think I told you that I hit Control Enter to send a message and to begin a message, I hit Control N. As to the folders, I like all of my mail to go into the in box. When I delete a message, I have it go into the trash folder and then when there is a lot, I delete them totally from that folder and they come off the computer. I don't like to plug my computer up with messages. I also have a sent folder that the message I send fall into. When I start a message and can't finish it, it goes to the drafts folder and then I can go back to it after I save it. That's all of the folders I want.

Shelly

On 7/30/2021 4:10 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
Hey Shelly,
Like ok right now.
Do you have rules set up so that certain mail go into certain folders?

The keystrokes to send a message will remain the same no matter which protocol you use, pop3 or imap.
Because you see, the keystroke you use to send the message is one that is built into the program.
Does that make sense ?
Once you answer the question about folders, I can direct you further.
Glad to help in any way that I can!
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Shelly Kane
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 8:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

John:


No, no one explained iMap the way you just did. I'm not tech savvy at
all so I'm lucky that I can do the things I can. The question I have
is when I set up iMap, will it look my folders in Thunderbird that I
have set up now? When I open the program, I download my mail and then
I hit
F6 to see a list of my folders and I hit tab and then it says filter messages and then I can do my business and go down the list of messages. Does iMap work like that or is it more involved? My niece is sighted and usually helps me with these things. I would eventually want my mail to come off the server so it doesn't clog my devices. When I send a message, I hit Control Enter and then when I'm done, I hit Control S to send. Does this work the same way for iMap? Sorry that I have so many questions. I just need to know that things work the same way so I don't have to start all over again. If you could tell me how to set it up step by step, I could definitely do it. Thanks in advance.

Shelly

On 7/30/2021 6:15 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:
Hey Shelly.
I’m not here to decide what is best for you but let me explain something to you.
If you use iMap then whatever happens server side will apply to every device you use at the same time.
Let’s say you get a message on your thunderbird and open it and read it .
Once you go to your phone, the same message will be there and it’ll be marked as read.
Let’s say you open a message on your phone, read it , then reply to it.
Your message will be marked as replied, you’re reply be put into a sent folder.
Let’s say you then go to your PC. You’ll see the same message, but it’ll be marked as replied, and you’ll see it in the sent folder, just as you would on your phone.

This applies to anything you do using email.
Deleting messages, forwarding messages, creating folders, literally anything.
See the advantage of iMap is that it doesn’t matter what device you do what on.
I used to use Pop3 some while back, but see this is exactly why IMAP exists.
For this very reason. For people who have and use multiple devices.
this way you don’t have to worry about what you open where and when.
This way you don’t have to think, hmm. Did I open the mail on my PC, is it on my phone? Where is it?
Where is the reply?:
It also just makes managing mail a lot easier.
IMAP is made for multiple device/web access.

No mattter if you do these things on your thunderbird, or your phone, or the web interface, the server will keep track of everything that is done and it’ll be mirrored across devices. I did read the thread, but not sure if anyone explains in greater detail the advantages of imap.
In case they didn’t, that’s why i wrote you here.
I’d personally a advise you switch to iMap with your mails. It’ll make life a lot easier for you, in my opinion.

Take care,
John


Sent from my iPod

On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:57 AM, Shelly Kane <shellykane323@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you so much for explaining this to me. I use a pop3 account and have for years. Now at least I understand what's going on. I wouldn't use my phone that much for email. I was just looking into it. If I don't download my mail right away onto Thunderbird, I can see it on the web or my phone. I have no idea how to use IMap so I would rather stick with the pop3 which I know. Thanks so much for your help.

Shelly

On 7/29/2021 7:51 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi There,

You must have your mail account set to imap for this to woork properly. Imap will automatically leave a copy on the server of all received mail. With pop3, all e-mail is downloaded just one time and nothing is left on the server.
I forget what mail account you have, so i can't help any more than that.

On 7/29/2021 4:28 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Hi Group:


I have a complicated question about my email and hope someone can answer this. I tried putting my email account on my phone last night so I can start looking at it and not get on the computer all the time. So after I got it all set up, it worked great. The mail downloaded just fine and I wanted to make sure it still worked in Thunderbird because I use the computer more. It downloaded in Thunderbird just fine but here's the problem. When I went back on the phone to see if the mail was in both places, Thunderbird blocked it. My phone had no email on there. It was wiped clean. This happens also when I download mail into Thunderbird and I go to my gmail account on the web you can't see the mail on google either if it's already in Thunderbird. Do any of you know why this keeps happening and is there anything simple I can do about it? Thanks in advance for any help.

Shelly








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Re: Email Question

Curtis Delzer
 

well that is because SF uses conventional menus for most everything, and that was many years ago. :)

On 7/31/2021 8:08 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:
Ah  see, the only one I’ve ever heard produced what was Jonathon Moson’s Sound Forge 4.5 one .
John
*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *chris judge
*Sent:* Saturday, July 31, 2021 3:56 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Email Question
John, even tutorials produced by blind people, for blind people, do not use the jaws virtual menu options. Take the excellent courses that Brian Hartgen produces on using word, outlook, power point and others, do not use the virtual ribbon option.
Chris Judge
JAWS Certified, 2021 <https://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Certification>
*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *John Holcomb II
*Sent:* July 30, 2021 7:55 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Email Question
So Jaws actually changes the ribbons?
And it  introduces its own keystrokes?
Is that why it wouldn’t work as affectively if you are trying to view a generalized tutorial ?
John
*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Friday, July 30, 2021 6:53 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Email Question
Windows 10 uses ribbons in important parts of its interface.  if you get a Windows tutorial or a Word tutorial they generally use ribbons, not JAWS virtual ribbons.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:*John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Friday, July 30, 2021 5:41 PM
*To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] Email Question
Gene,
Your first point is t the one that  I don’t understand.
How would using a tutorial be harder to use?
Thanks,
John
*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Friday, July 30, 2021 6:36 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Email Question
I'm not writing this to argue about what you should do.  But because of the amount of worry about ribbons, I'll say the following to those considering what to do:
If you use JAWS virtual menus, you are making tutorials that use ribbons, and they generally do, harder or much harder to use.
For anyone considering what to do, please read the article I sent.
Ribbons do speak more But once you have looked through the ribbon, you can interrupt speech and continue to move, just as you do in general when something is telling you information you don't want to hear.  In my opinion, the advantages of using real ribbons far outweigh less speech in the JAWS virtual menus.  Also, because ribbons talk more and have a lot more items in them, you can save a lot of time going through ribbons by using fast movement commands that I discuss in my tutorial.  My point is that in some ways, menus may be more pleasant to use but once you get used to ribbons and learn short cut commands, they shouldn't be more inefficient to use enough to amount to much.
Gene
7/30/2021 5:10 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Hey Shelly, Like ok right now. Do you have rules set up so that > certain mail go into certain folders? > > The keystrokes to send a message will remain the same no matter which > protocol you use, pop3 or imap. Because you see, the keystroke you > use to send the message is one that is built into the program. Does > that make sense ? Once you answer the question about folders, I can > direct you further. Glad to help in any way that I can! John > > > -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shelly Kane Sent: Friday, July > 30, 2021 8:00 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] > Email Question > > John: > > > No, no one explained iMap the way you just did. I'm not tech savvy > at all so I'm lucky that I can do the things I can. The question I > have is when I set up iMap, will it look my folders in Thunderbird > that I have set up now? When I open the program, I download my mail > and then I hit F6 to see a list of my folders and I hit tab and then > it says filter messages and then I can do my business and go down the > list of messages. Does iMap work like that or is it more involved? > My niece is sighted and usually helps me with these things. I would > eventually want my mail to come off the server so it doesn't clog my > devices. When I send a message, I hit Control Enter and then when > I'm done, I hit Control S to send. Does this work the same way for > iMap? Sorry that I have so many questions. I just need to know that > things work the same way so I don't have to start all over again. If > you could tell me how to set it up step by step, I could definitely > do it. Thanks in advance. > > Shelly > > On 7/30/2021 6:15 AM, John Holcomb II wrote: >> Hey Shelly. I’m not here to decide what is best for you but let me >> explain something to you. If you use iMap then whatever happens >> server side will apply to every device you use at the same time. >> Let’s say you get a message on your thunderbird and open it and >> read it . Once you go to your phone, the same message will be >> there and it’ll be marked as read. Let’s say you open a message on >> your phone, read it , then reply to it. Your message will be marked >> as replied, you’re reply be put into a sent folder. Let’s say >> you then go to your PC. You’ll see the same message, but it’ll be >> marked as replied, and you’ll see it in the sent folder, just as >> you would on your phone. >> >> This applies to anything you do using email. Deleting messages, >> forwarding messages, creating folders, literally anything. See the >> advantage of iMap is that it doesn’t matter what device you do what >> on. I used to use Pop3 some while back, but see this is exactly >> why IMAP exists. For this very reason. For people who have and use >> multiple devices. this way you don’t have to worry about what you >> open where and when. This way you don’t have to think, hmm. Did I >> open the mail on my PC, is it on my phone? Where is it? Where is >> the reply?: It also just makes managing mail a lot easier. IMAP is >> made for multiple device/web access. >> >> No mattter if you do these things on your thunderbird, or your >> phone, or the web interface, the server will keep track of >> everything that is done and it’ll be mirrored across devices. I >> did read the thread, but not sure if anyone explains in greater >> detail the advantages of imap. In case they didn’t, that’s why i >> wrote you here. I’d personally a advise you switch to iMap with
>> your mails. It’ll make life a lot easier for you, in my opinion. >> Take care, John >> >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >>> On Jul 30, 2021,
at 2:57 AM, Shelly Kane >>> mailto:shellykane323@gmail.com <mailto:shellykane323@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you so much for explaining this to me. I use a pop3 >>> account and have for years. Now at least I understand what's >>> going on. I wouldn't use my phone that much for email. I was >>> just looking into it. If I don't download my mail right away >>> onto Thunderbird, I can see it on the web or my phone. I have no >>> idea how to use IMap so I would rather stick with the pop3 which >>> I know. Thanks so much for your help. >>> >>> Shelly
>>> >>>> On 7/29/2021 7:51 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote: Hi There, >>>> >>>>
You must have your mail account set to imap for this to woork >>>> properly. Imap will automatically leave a copy on the server >>>> of all received mail. With pop3, all e-mail is downloaded just >>>> one time and nothing is left on the server. I forget what mail >>>> account you have, so i can't help any more than that. >>>> >>>>> On 7/29/2021 4:28 AM, Shelly Kane wrote: Hi Group: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have a complicated question about my email and hope someone >>>>> can answer this. I tried putting my email account on my >>>>> phone last night so I can start looking at it and not get on >>>>> the computer all the time. So after I got it all set up, it >>>>> worked great. The mail downloaded just fine and I wanted to >>>>> make sure it still worked in Thunderbird because I use the >>>>> computer more. It downloaded in Thunderbird just fine but
>>>>> here's the problem. When I went back on the phone to see if >>>>>
the mail was in both places, Thunderbird blocked it. My >>>>> phone had no email on there. It was wiped clean. This >>>>> happens also when I download mail into Thunderbird and I go >>>>> to my gmail account on the web you can't see the mail on >>>>> google either if it's already in Thunderbird. Do any of you >>>>> know why this keeps happening and is there anything simple I >>>>> can do about it? Thanks in advance for any help. >>>>> >>>>> Shelly >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> . > > > > > > > > > > >
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Curtis Delzer
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Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com


Re: Email Question

Gene
 

The things you are describing are no different.  You still have about the same folders, messages still go into the inbox, commands remain exactly the same.  All IMAP is is a different way of storing and viewing mail  the interface is the same. 
 
And there may be an advantage in using IMAP no one has spoken of.  I can’t discuss other e-mail services but I would expect this to be true in general.  Before I used IMAP with GMail, I had to look on the web site at my spam folder, provided by GMail itself to show spam before it even reached my e-mail program.  Now, using IMAP, any folder used by my server for my account is accessible to me using my e-mail program.  I can look at the spam folder without going online and looking in my account.
 
I’ve heard about people accumulating thousands of messages in their inboxes using GMail that they want to get rid of.  If you delete messages using the delete key on your e-mail program, they will be sent to trash.  They are deleted from there thirty days after their arrival so you need do nothing.  If you use shift delete, the message is completely removed, it doesn’t go to the trash folder.
 
In short, IMAP makes management easier because things people have to do with POP3 accounts on the web site of GMail and perhaps with other services can be done directly from your e-mail program. 
 
So even if you don’t have the uses that have been discussed to this point for IMAP, what I’ve discussed are other reasons to consider it.  I’ll add one more:
I see messages from time to time on various lists from people who are moving to another computer.  They want to know how to take their e-mail with them.  If you use IMAP, any computer you use with an IMAP account will show all the same e-mail.  There is no need to transfer mail from one computer to another.

The only disadvantage I know of to an IMAP account is that some e-mail programs don’t let you set up message rules in the program for IMAP accounts so you have to do so on the web site itself.  Those who have done so may wish to discuss this further. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question
 
Hey Shelly
Then y if you decide to go with imap, everything will be easy!
That's exactly what it  does by default.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shelly Kane
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 5:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

John:


Thanks for getting back to me.  I think I told you that I hit Control Enter to send a message and to begin a message, I hit Control N.  As to the folders, I like all of my mail to go into the in box.  When I delete a message, I have it go into the trash folder and then when there is a lot, I delete them totally from that folder and they come off the computer.  I don't like to plug my computer up with messages.  I also have a sent folder that the message I send fall into.  When I start a message and can't finish it, it goes to the drafts folder and then I can go back to it after I save it.  That's all of the folders I want.

Shelly

On 7/30/2021 4:10 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
> Hey Shelly,
> Like ok right now.
> Do you have rules set up so that certain mail go into certain folders?
>
> The keystrokes to send a message will remain the same no matter which protocol you use, pop3 or  imap.
> Because you see, the keystroke you use to send the message is one that is built into the program.
> Does that make sense ?
> Once you answer the question about folders, I can direct you further.
> Glad to help in any way that I can!
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
> Shelly Kane
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 8:00 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question
>
> John:
>
>
> No, no one explained iMap the way you just did.  I'm not tech savvy at
> all so I'm lucky that I can do the things I can.  The question I have
> is when I set up iMap, will it look my folders in Thunderbird that I
> have set up now?  When I open the program, I download my mail and then
> I hit
> F6 to see a list of my folders and I hit tab and then it says filter messages and then I can do my business and go down the list of messages.  Does iMap work like that or is it more involved?  My niece is sighted and usually helps me with these things.  I would eventually want my mail to come off the server so it doesn't clog my devices.  When I send a message, I hit Control Enter and then when I'm done, I hit Control S to send.  Does this work the same way for iMap?  Sorry that I have so many questions.  I just need to know that things work the same way so I don't have to start all over again.  If you could tell me how to set it up step by step, I could definitely do it. Thanks in advance.
>
> Shelly
>
> On 7/30/2021 6:15 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:
>> Hey Shelly.
>> I’m not here to decide what is best for you but let me explain something to you.
>> If you use iMap then whatever happens server side will apply to every device you use at the same time.
>> Let’s say you get a message on your thunderbird and  open it and read it .
>> Once you go to your phone, the  same message will be there and it’ll be marked as read.
>> Let’s say you open a message on your phone, read it , then reply to it.
>> Your message will be marked  as replied, you’re reply    be put into a sent  folder.
>> Let’s say you then go to your PC. You’ll see the same message, but it’ll be marked as  replied, and you’ll see it in the sent folder, just as you would on your phone.
>>
>> This applies to anything you do using email.
>> Deleting messages, forwarding messages, creating folders, literally anything.
>> See the advantage of iMap is that it doesn’t matter what device you do what on.
>> I used to  use Pop3 some  while back, but see this is exactly why IMAP exists.
>> For this very reason. For people who have and use multiple devices.
>> this way you don’t have to worry about what you open where and when.
>> This way you don’t have to think, hmm. Did I open the mail on my PC, is it on my phone? Where is it?
>> Where is the reply?:
>> It also just makes managing mail a lot easier.
>> IMAP is made for multiple device/web  access.
>>
>> No mattter if you do these things on your thunderbird, or your phone, or the web interface, the server will keep track of everything that is done and it’ll be  mirrored across devices. I did read the thread, but not sure if anyone explains in greater detail the advantages of imap.
>> In case they didn’t, that’s why i wrote you here.
>> I’d personally a advise you switch  to iMap with your mails. It’ll make life a lot easier for you, in my opinion.
>>
>> Take care,
>> John
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:57 AM, Shelly Kane <shellykane323@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for explaining this to me.  I use a pop3 account and have for years.  Now at least I understand what's going on.  I wouldn't use my phone that much for email.  I was just looking into it.  If I don't download my mail right away onto Thunderbird, I can see it on the web or my phone.  I have no idea how to use IMap so I would rather stick with the pop3 which I know.  Thanks so much for your help.
>>>
>>> Shelly
>>>
>>>> On 7/29/2021 7:51 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>>> Hi There,
>>>>
>>>> You must have your mail account set to imap for this to woork properly.  Imap will automatically leave a copy on the server of all received mail.  With pop3, all e-mail is downloaded just one time and nothing is left on the server.
>>>> I forget what mail account you have, so i can't help any more than that.
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/29/2021 4:28 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
>>>>> Hi Group:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a complicated question about my email and hope someone can answer this.  I tried putting my email account on my phone last night so I can start looking at it and not get on the computer all the time.  So after I got it all set up, it worked great.  The mail downloaded just fine and I wanted to make sure it still worked in Thunderbird because I use the computer more. It downloaded in Thunderbird just fine but here's the problem. When I went back on the phone to see if the mail was in both places, Thunderbird blocked it.  My phone had no email on there.  It was wiped clean.  This happens also when I download mail into Thunderbird and I go to my gmail account on the web you can't see the mail on google either if it's already in Thunderbird.  Do any of you know why this keeps happening and is there anything simple I can do about it?  Thanks in advance for any help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shelly
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>
>
>
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Re: Email Question

John Holcomb II
 

Ah  see, the only one I’ve ever heard produced what was Jonathon Moson’s Sound Forge 4.5 one .

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 3:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

 

John, even tutorials produced by blind people, for blind people, do not use the jaws virtual menu options. Take the excellent courses that Brian Hartgen produces on using word, outlook, power point and others, do not use the virtual ribbon option.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: July 30, 2021 7:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

 

So Jaws actually changes the ribbons?

And it  introduces its own keystrokes?

Is that why it wouldn’t work as affectively if you are trying to view a generalized tutorial ?

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 6:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

 

Windows 10 uses ribbons in important parts of its interface.  if you get a Windows tutorial or a Word tutorial they generally use ribbons, not JAWS virtual ribbons. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

 

Gene,

Your first point is t the one that  I don’t understand.

How would using a tutorial be harder to use?

Thanks,

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 6:36 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

 

I'm not writing this to argue about what you should do.  But because of the amount of worry about ribbons, I'll say the following to those considering what to do:

If you use JAWS virtual menus, you are making tutorials that use ribbons, and they generally do, harder or much harder to use. 

 

For anyone considering what to do, please read the article I sent.  Ribbons do speak more But once you have looked through the ribbon, you can interrupt speech and continue to move, just as you do in general when something is telling you information you don't want to hear.  In my opinion, the advantages of using real ribbons far outweigh less speech in the JAWS virtual menus.  Also, because ribbons talk more and have a lot more items in them, you can save a lot of time going through ribbons by using fast movement commands that I discuss in my tutorial.  My point is that in some ways, menus may be more pleasant to use but once you get used to ribbons and learn short cut commands, they shouldn't be more inefficient to use enough to amount to much. 

 

Gene

7/30/2021 5:10 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

> Hey Shelly, Like ok right now. Do you have rules set up so that > certain mail go into certain folders? > > The keystrokes to send a message will remain the same no matter which > protocol you use, pop3 or imap. Because you see, the keystroke you > use to send the message is one that is built into the program. Does > that make sense ? Once you answer the question about folders, I can > direct you further. Glad to help in any way that I can! John > > > -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io > mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Shelly Kane Sent: Friday, July > 30, 2021 8:00 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] > Email Question > > John: > > > No, no one explained iMap the way you just did. I'm not tech savvy > at all so I'm lucky that I can do the things I can. The question I > have is when I set up iMap, will it look my folders in Thunderbird > that I have set up now? When I open the program, I download my mail > and then I hit F6 to see a list of my folders and I hit tab and then > it says filter messages and then I can do my business and go down the > list of messages. Does iMap work like that or is it more involved? > My niece is sighted and usually helps me with these things. I would > eventually want my mail to come off the server so it doesn't clog my > devices. When I send a message, I hit Control Enter and then when > I'm done, I hit Control S to send. Does this work the same way for > iMap? Sorry that I have so many questions. I just need to know that > things work the same way so I don't have to start all over again. If > you could tell me how to set it up step by step, I could definitely > do it. Thanks in advance. > > Shelly > > On 7/30/2021 6:15 AM, John Holcomb II wrote: >> Hey Shelly. I’m not here to decide what is best for you but let me >> explain something to you. If you use iMap then whatever happens >> server side will apply to every device you use at the same time. >> Let’s say you get a message on your thunderbird and open it and >> read it . Once you go to your phone, the same message will be >> there and it’ll be marked as read. Let’s say you open a message on >> your phone, read it , then reply to it. Your message will be marked >> as replied, you’re reply be put into a sent folder. Let’s say >> you then go to your PC. You’ll see the same message, but it’ll be >> marked as replied, and you’ll see it in the sent folder, just as >> you would on your phone. >> >> This applies to anything you do using email. Deleting messages, >> forwarding messages, creating folders, literally anything. See the >> advantage of iMap is that it doesn’t matter what device you do what >> on. I used to use Pop3 some while back, but see this is exactly >> why IMAP exists. For this very reason. For people who have and use >> multiple devices. this way you don’t have to worry about what you >> open where and when. This way you don’t have to think, hmm. Did I >> open the mail on my PC, is it on my phone? Where is it? Where is >> the reply?: It also just makes managing mail a lot easier. IMAP is >> made for multiple device/web access. >> >> No mattter if you do these things on your thunderbird, or your >> phone, or the web interface, the server will keep track of >> everything that is done and it’ll be mirrored across devices. I >> did read the thread, but not sure if anyone explains in greater >> detail the advantages of imap. In case they didn’t, that’s why i >> wrote you here. I’d personally a advise you switch to iMap with >> your mails. It’ll make life a lot easier for you, in my opinion. >> >> Take care, John >> >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:57 AM, Shelly Kane >>> mailto:shellykane323@... wrote: >>> >>> Thank you so much for explaining this to me. I use a pop3 >>> account and have for years. Now at least I understand what's >>> going on. I wouldn't use my phone that much for email. I was >>> just looking into it. If I don't download my mail right away >>> onto Thunderbird, I can see it on the web or my phone. I have no >>> idea how to use IMap so I would rather stick with the pop3 which >>> I know. Thanks so much for your help. >>> >>> Shelly >>> >>>> On 7/29/2021 7:51 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote: Hi There, >>>> >>>> You must have your mail account set to imap for this to woork >>>> properly. Imap will automatically leave a copy on the server >>>> of all received mail. With pop3, all e-mail is downloaded just >>>> one time and nothing is left on the server. I forget what mail >>>> account you have, so i can't help any more than that. >>>> >>>>> On 7/29/2021 4:28 AM, Shelly Kane wrote: Hi Group: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have a complicated question about my email and hope someone >>>>> can answer this. I tried putting my email account on my >>>>> phone last night so I can start looking at it and not get on >>>>> the computer all the time. So after I got it all set up, it >>>>> worked great. The mail downloaded just fine and I wanted to >>>>> make sure it still worked in Thunderbird because I use the >>>>> computer more. It downloaded in Thunderbird just fine but >>>>> here's the problem. When I went back on the phone to see if >>>>> the mail was in both places, Thunderbird blocked it. My >>>>> phone had no email on there. It was wiped clean. This >>>>> happens also when I download mail into Thunderbird and I go >>>>> to my gmail account on the web you can't see the mail on >>>>> google either if it's already in Thunderbird. Do any of you >>>>> know why this keeps happening and is there anything simple I >>>>> can do about it? Thanks in advance for any help. >>>>> >>>>> Shelly >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> . > > > > > > > > > > >


Re: Email Question

John Holcomb II
 

Hey Shelly
Then y if you decide to go with imap, everything will be easy!
That's exactly what it does by default.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shelly Kane
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 5:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

John:


Thanks for getting back to me. I think I told you that I hit Control Enter to send a message and to begin a message, I hit Control N. As to the folders, I like all of my mail to go into the in box. When I delete a message, I have it go into the trash folder and then when there is a lot, I delete them totally from that folder and they come off the computer. I don't like to plug my computer up with messages. I also have a sent folder that the message I send fall into. When I start a message and can't finish it, it goes to the drafts folder and then I can go back to it after I save it. That's all of the folders I want.

Shelly

On 7/30/2021 4:10 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
Hey Shelly,
Like ok right now.
Do you have rules set up so that certain mail go into certain folders?

The keystrokes to send a message will remain the same no matter which protocol you use, pop3 or imap.
Because you see, the keystroke you use to send the message is one that is built into the program.
Does that make sense ?
Once you answer the question about folders, I can direct you further.
Glad to help in any way that I can!
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Shelly Kane
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 8:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

John:


No, no one explained iMap the way you just did. I'm not tech savvy at
all so I'm lucky that I can do the things I can. The question I have
is when I set up iMap, will it look my folders in Thunderbird that I
have set up now? When I open the program, I download my mail and then
I hit
F6 to see a list of my folders and I hit tab and then it says filter messages and then I can do my business and go down the list of messages. Does iMap work like that or is it more involved? My niece is sighted and usually helps me with these things. I would eventually want my mail to come off the server so it doesn't clog my devices. When I send a message, I hit Control Enter and then when I'm done, I hit Control S to send. Does this work the same way for iMap? Sorry that I have so many questions. I just need to know that things work the same way so I don't have to start all over again. If you could tell me how to set it up step by step, I could definitely do it. Thanks in advance.

Shelly

On 7/30/2021 6:15 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:
Hey Shelly.
I’m not here to decide what is best for you but let me explain something to you.
If you use iMap then whatever happens server side will apply to every device you use at the same time.
Let’s say you get a message on your thunderbird and open it and read it .
Once you go to your phone, the same message will be there and it’ll be marked as read.
Let’s say you open a message on your phone, read it , then reply to it.
Your message will be marked as replied, you’re reply be put into a sent folder.
Let’s say you then go to your PC. You’ll see the same message, but it’ll be marked as replied, and you’ll see it in the sent folder, just as you would on your phone.

This applies to anything you do using email.
Deleting messages, forwarding messages, creating folders, literally anything.
See the advantage of iMap is that it doesn’t matter what device you do what on.
I used to use Pop3 some while back, but see this is exactly why IMAP exists.
For this very reason. For people who have and use multiple devices.
this way you don’t have to worry about what you open where and when.
This way you don’t have to think, hmm. Did I open the mail on my PC, is it on my phone? Where is it?
Where is the reply?:
It also just makes managing mail a lot easier.
IMAP is made for multiple device/web access.

No mattter if you do these things on your thunderbird, or your phone, or the web interface, the server will keep track of everything that is done and it’ll be mirrored across devices. I did read the thread, but not sure if anyone explains in greater detail the advantages of imap.
In case they didn’t, that’s why i wrote you here.
I’d personally a advise you switch to iMap with your mails. It’ll make life a lot easier for you, in my opinion.

Take care,
John


Sent from my iPod

On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:57 AM, Shelly Kane <shellykane323@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you so much for explaining this to me. I use a pop3 account and have for years. Now at least I understand what's going on. I wouldn't use my phone that much for email. I was just looking into it. If I don't download my mail right away onto Thunderbird, I can see it on the web or my phone. I have no idea how to use IMap so I would rather stick with the pop3 which I know. Thanks so much for your help.

Shelly

On 7/29/2021 7:51 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi There,

You must have your mail account set to imap for this to woork properly. Imap will automatically leave a copy on the server of all received mail. With pop3, all e-mail is downloaded just one time and nothing is left on the server.
I forget what mail account you have, so i can't help any more than that.

On 7/29/2021 4:28 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Hi Group:


I have a complicated question about my email and hope someone can answer this. I tried putting my email account on my phone last night so I can start looking at it and not get on the computer all the time. So after I got it all set up, it worked great. The mail downloaded just fine and I wanted to make sure it still worked in Thunderbird because I use the computer more. It downloaded in Thunderbird just fine but here's the problem. When I went back on the phone to see if the mail was in both places, Thunderbird blocked it. My phone had no email on there. It was wiped clean. This happens also when I download mail into Thunderbird and I go to my gmail account on the web you can't see the mail on google either if it's already in Thunderbird. Do any of you know why this keeps happening and is there anything simple I can do about it? Thanks in advance for any help.

Shelly








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Re: windows 10 with jaws

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Interesting, and probably true. Once I realized that I was looking at a menu which combined the old drop-down menus with the toolbars, all the mystery was gone for me. As I said before, the fact that a ribbon menu is horizontal shouldn't affect a blind person's understanding at all because he or she is still working with a feature which is voiced, and it is not germain to talk about how ribbons are horizontal instead of vertical; unless the student is a visual learner.

I think the only way to remove the fear of ribbons is to work with them. Oh, not using Jaws Virtual Ribbons, though these are good, and often useful if you want to do something quick, but working with the ribbons as they appear on the screen. Once you've tabbed through the options on a ribbon, you all of a sudden realize that this is the same group of options you had before. It's just arranged differently. Everything you want to do with your program is still there.

One word about commands, many of your old commands from windows7 still work. Ctrl-s saves. Alt-f4 still closes programs. Ctrl-2 still changes line spacing in Word. Alt-s still sends messages in Outlook. Ctrl-o still opens files.

It's the same tune, different variation.

Ann P.


Original message:

I think one reason is that ribbons may not be clear in terms of how they
are organized and how to work with them if you just come across them and
have no good instruction.  That probably happened to a lot of people who
had none or had some help from people who didn't understand them
properly either.

The word from people who have such experiences spreads from them
throughout the blind computer using community.

If there had been some sort of utopian way to send good help in the form
of explanations and demonstrations to all those in the blind Windows
computer using community as soon as ribbons were released, a lot of the
fear surrounding ribbons might have been preempted.

Gene
On 7/30/2021 3:28 PM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,
It's amazing to me that a word, one simple word can cause such angst,
such fear, such unreasoning terror.  Ribbons are menus, pure and
simple.  They may cause some difficulty for the sighted because they
are horizontal and not vertical, but what is so terrifying about a
menu?  You've been working with menus since you started using a
computer.  Why aren't you terrified by menus? They're just the same as
ribbons!  Ribbons are horizontal menus, that's all.  They have more
data in them, but they're only menus, just menus.  ""Beware the
Jabberwock, The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!”
― Lewis Carroll,  Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There
<smiling>
Ann P.



Original message:
Really there’s a ribene disabler?
What is that n and how odes it work?
Thanks,
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
joanne
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 7:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws
Marvin and all, thanks for your input and we will definitely be in
touch with those who let me know they're available to help. When I
get windows 10 it's a relief to know I can email my specific concerns
to someone who's used it.
I think the main problem my friend is having is what I am having
whenever I see a computer that has 10. He couldn't get regular list
views and, like many of us, didn't comprehend ribbons so I sent him a
ribbon disabler. What I wasn't aware of until now was the
comprehensive info we can get from Freedom Scientific. I will
certainly be making use of that and will let my friend know that help
from them is also available.
I realize there have been disagreements in the group about people's
comfort level and wanting to stick with certain things that they're
used to from other programs. That's why there are some work-arounds
like classic shell and other tools. I'm very glad many of you have
caught on to the strange setup of 10, but some of us--at least
starting out--want certain aspects to have at least some familiarity
to us. So I appreciate the great help that comes, and I also hope
that those who don't have trouble adjusting to 10 might try to
understand that some are in a different place and need some extra
help and ideas as we learn this operating system.
Joanne
From: Marvin Hunkin <mailto:startrektech@techie.com>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 4:08 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 10 with jaws
h. if you want to e-mail me and tell me what problems or issues. Been
using windows 10 with jaws for about 7 years. A power user. So if I
can help. Did you try googling if windows 10 utube. Did you try the
freedom scientific training and then searching for windows 10.
Or what about the fs reader training about windows. That is for
windows 10.
If you need help.
Happy to help.
Ps: don’t know of any programs which will have a shell like windows 7.
Just learn to use windows 10.
Marvin.




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Re: Exercise bike question regarding technology

Gerald Levy
 


Sorry to disappoint you, but I am not aware of any exercise bike on the market that has a monitor with speech output.  Indeed, the more expensive an exercise bike is, the less blind friendly it is likely to be.  I suggest that you consider an old-fashioned upright exercise bike with chain drive and mechanical friction resistance and forget about the monitor and and use an ineexpensive talking countdown timer to keep track of your workout and listen to music or TV while you are working out to keep you motivated.  I have a Sunny Fitness SF-B1203 upright exercise bike with chain drive and simple friction resistance which is very robust and offers a vigorous workout.  Because the monitor is useless, I replaced it with a small clip-on fan to keep me cool while I'm working out.  I take exercise very seriously and find that the simplest, least expensive exercise machines are usually the most blind-friendly.


Gerald



On 7/31/2021 2:49 AM, Cole wrote:
Hello
What is the best exercise and stationary bike for the totally blind. A lot of exercise bikes that I have worked with have touch screens with the controls and information like speed and distance is built into the touch screen. Is there a talk or Braille exercise bike?
Cole Roberts


On Jul 27, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Mike B. <mb69mach1@...> wrote:


Hi Jim,
 
Try the following:
Note: If you want to make these settings in a particular application / program, then open the application / program & open the Settings Center while in
the application / program & skip step #2.  If you want these settings for all applications follow all the steps below.
 
1. Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard.
2. Press, Control, Shift, + D, to open Setting Center default all applications.
3. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open.
Note: If you want the date to read correctly when it's in a number format, arrow down 1 time to, Numeric Date Processing, press the spacebar to toggle
through your options, & stop when Jaws reports, Some Translation.
5. Arrow down 1 time to, Number Processing, press the spacebar to toggle through the options.  Stop when Jaws reports, Controlled By Synthesizer.
6. Arrow down to, Speak Single Digits, right arrow to open, arrow down to, If Number Contains, press the spacebar to toggle through the options, & stop
when Jaws reports, Controlled By The Synthesizer.
7. Arrow down to, If number contains dashes, this box needs to be checked.
8. If you want dollar & cents amounts reported correctly, arrow down to, Speak Dollars, & make sure this box is checked.
9. Tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save your changes & close the Settings Center.
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 5:24 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] How to get Jaws 2021 reading number not numerals'

Members
My system win 7 JAWS 2021
How do I set Jaws to read numbers like 3500 as thirty five hundred and
not by 3, 5, 0, 0?
Thanks
Jim

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Re: Email Question

Pamela Dominguez
 

I hear that! It was the same with us. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marilyn and Don Bilderback
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 3:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

We keep it simple and both use the same Email. No secrets after 58 years together. smile

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 12:42 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

Tat’s not an easy question to answer. Would they both be using the same email account, or different ones?
On 30 Jul 2021, at 20:40, Marilyn and Don Bilderback <djbilderback@cox.net> wrote:

Well, what happens in an instance where one person has an iPhone and
uses Email and the spouse only uses the computer for Emails? Would
Pop or iMap-- Be the right choice? iMap Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 5:15 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Email Question

Hey Shelly.
I’m not here to decide what is best for you but let me explain something to you.
If you use iMap then whatever happens server side will apply to every device you use at the same time.
Let’s say you get a message on your thunderbird and open it and read it .
Once you go to your phone, the same message will be there and it’ll be marked as read.
Let’s say you open a message on your phone, read it , then reply to it.
Your message will be marked as replied, you’re reply be put into a sent folder.
Let’s say you then go to your PC. You’ll see the same message, but it’ll be marked as replied, and you’ll see it in the sent folder, just as you would on your phone.

This applies to anything you do using email.
Deleting messages, forwarding messages, creating folders, literally anything.
See the advantage of iMap is that it doesn’t matter what device you do what on.
I used to use Pop3 some while back, but see this is exactly why IMAP exists.
For this very reason. For people who have and use multiple devices.
this way you don’t have to worry about what you open where and when.
This way you don’t have to think, hmm. Did I open the mail on my PC, is it on my phone? Where is it?
Where is the reply?:
It also just makes managing mail a lot easier.
IMAP is made for multiple device/web access.

No mattter if you do these things on your thunderbird, or your phone, or the web interface, the server will keep track of everything that is done and it’ll be mirrored across devices. I did read the thread, but not sure if anyone explains in greater detail the advantages of imap.
In case they didn’t, that’s why i wrote you here.
I’d personally a advise you switch to iMap with your mails. It’ll make life a lot easier for you, in my opinion.

Take care,
John


Sent from my iPod

On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:57 AM, Shelly Kane <shellykane323@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you so much for explaining this to me. I use a pop3 account and have for years. Now at least I understand what's going on. I wouldn't use my phone that much for email. I was just looking into it. If I don't download my mail right away onto Thunderbird, I can see it on the web or my phone. I have no idea how to use IMap so I would rather stick with the pop3 which I know. Thanks so much for your help.

Shelly

On 7/29/2021 7:51 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi There,

You must have your mail account set to imap for this to woork properly. Imap will automatically leave a copy on the server of all received mail. With pop3, all e-mail is downloaded just one time and nothing is left on the server.
I forget what mail account you have, so i can't help any more than that.

On 7/29/2021 4:28 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Hi Group:


I have a complicated question about my email and hope someone can answer this. I tried putting my email account on my phone last night so I can start looking at it and not get on the computer all the time. So after I got it all set up, it worked great. The mail downloaded just fine and I wanted to make sure it still worked in Thunderbird because I use the computer more. It downloaded in Thunderbird just fine but here's the problem. When I went back on the phone to see if the mail was in both places, Thunderbird blocked it. My phone had no email on there. It was wiped clean. This happens also when I download mail into Thunderbird and I go to my gmail account on the web you can't see the mail on google either if it's already in Thunderbird. Do any of you know why this keeps happening and is there anything simple I can do about it? Thanks in advance for any help.

Shelly



























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Re: Info about Pen Friend

chris judge
 

Hi Marilyn.

 

Just a question. Do you use a smart phone? If so, you might want to consider the way around labelling system, much more versatile. If you want more info please ask.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn and Don Bilderback
Sent: July 30, 2021 11:38 PM
To: TECHTALK <techtalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Info about Pen Friend

 

My Pen Friend finally bit the dust after years of almost daily use.  Now I can’t independently pick out my own clothes.  I sure miss that thing!

 

Anyone use the new Pen Friend, I think it is called the 3. 

 

I would appreciate any information from users about how they like it or what doesn’t work.  It says it takes 3 to 6 weeks to come and you order from Maxi Aids.  Any other sellers of this product?  Either the price has gone up a lot or I surely don’t remember the cost being so high. Sounds like it comes from the UK.

 

This is one item I have gotten much use out of.  It makes me mad that I heard you can’t use the labels with the new one.

 

Help me make up my mind whether to order another Pen Friend.  Thanks much.  Marilyn   

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