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Chromebook Accessibility Part 3: Accessibility for Android Apps

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

I've released the 3rd installment of Chromebook accessibility to my YouTube channel, www.youtube.com/nimerjaber

In this installment, Nimer is joined by Kirt. We demonstrate Chromebook accessibility in Android apps.

To check out the video, please visit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIaovqyd8Og

Please also consider pressing the like button, and subscribing if you have not already done so.

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Best,

Nimer Jaber

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

Thank you, and have a great day!


Microsoft safety scanner results

Troy Burnham
 

Hi all,


I just ran Microsoft safety scanner on my computer and as it was scanning I saw that it found 2 objects that I guess were suspicious, but when the scan finished it reported that nothing was found. Can somebody explain this? I run this software pretty often and usually when something is found it tells me that it was found and quarentined.


Thanks.


Troy


adding family members to my amazon prime

Vicki W
 

Hi,
 
I have family members sharing my Amazon Prime and I need to remove one and add another. It used to be very easy to do that, but I can't locate the area to make the change. I've looked under my Prime settings, but unless I'm missing it, it isn't there. Does anyone know where to locate the information for removing and adding members to your Family Prime membership?
 
Thanks.
 
    Vicki
 


Re: advice needed about domain names

Thomas N. Chan
 

I am just giving a choice.
if you own your own domain, you wouldn't need to worry if the provider like fastmail, whatever email like gmail decided to went out of business or even change some of their policy which you might not like. thats one big advantage. if you don't like them, you move your domain and your mails still go with you  or whoever email you get, the new provider  will still get your email.
the benefit is there but its  a matter if you can justify the cost of it.
you can create whatever email alias you want if you own the domain.

of course the Propagation of DNS will take up to 72 hrs if you transfer  to someone else. but usually, it will take a few hours max.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 at 19:28, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
But would there be any advantage in this case to buying a domain rather than use a company you pay for e-mail, such as Fast Mail? 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] advice needed about domain names
 
Hi there,
I am speaking of someone who has done a couple of times for my company, some clients and myself in terms of having your own domain.
1. some provider does charge you for buying the domain either yearly, every three years, five years or even ten years. some of them will charge you for having DNS hosting with them.
2. you can buy the domain directly through google workspace aka google aps which its the paid version of gmail and have your own domain. you basically get an domain like, mydomain.com and you can create as much email on it but you are still restricted on how much you can use. like for google workspace, it will be default 30gb.
3. seriously, if you are not going to use the capability of google workspace and you download into your email client, then you would be better off find a hosting company, share hosting and do it from there.
i don't have anyone which its accessible as i am not from USA but there's a few which some blind folks like to use like bluehost.
 
having your own domain, you need to pay for them, you need to pay google, yahoo, hosting company to have their server to use their resources. domain, you just need to buy them or i call it rent.
 
 
i have my domain for years, like ten years or so, never regret having it. if the hosting company went bankrupt , or you don't like their services, you just transfer your domain out.
find another hosting company, you put your own domain there.
 
 
 
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 at 11:25, Nancy Hill <girlyscream@...> wrote:
Everyone,


I have had my comcast email address for many years now and my husband is
thinking of switching providers.


I want to set up a new addie that I can keep going forward.  I was
wondering if I should consider buying a domain name.  I guess I could
switch to a google or yahoo addie, but I just don't know if I would want
to do that.


If I got a domain name, does anyone know where I can purchase the domain
and not have to pay more yearly.


I am confused and don't want to hop from one email addie to another.


Please give me some suggestions.


Thanks muchly,

nancy







Re: search in outlook

Thomas N. Chan
 

You can do advance search by hitting ctrl - shift -f
alt - b will allow you to browse for which folder to be search
type in the info you need and hit alt - n or tab and find this button call find now

there's a combo box which  allow you to choose subject field only which is selected by default,  subject and message body and last, frequently  used text field

once you hit - n, you can just hit f6 to bring the focus onto the list of search result.
if your screen reader is not picking up anything after you hit f6, chances are, you did something wrong or the find just find, nothing.
Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 at 19:15, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:
Have you tried control+E? 

That is the keystroke to search for things. I know you can tab around there and choose which folder. I’m not sure how to search just in the subject line though.
John


Sent from my iPod

On Aug 27, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:



Hi List,

 

I posted this querry to blindtech a few days ago and had no answer.

 

 

I’m using m s outlook 2016in win 10 with n v d a.

 

How do I do a search for a subject line in a particular folder?

 

I tried a web search and keep getting bogged down in crap.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Monte

 


Re: search in outlook

Gene
 

This may answer your question.  I found it in a Google search for something like search e-mails Outlook 2016. 
You may want to conduct a search and see if there are other results you are interested in, but it looks as though this one will do what you want.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 5:39 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] search in outlook
 

Hi List,

 

I posted this querry to blindtech a few days ago and had no answer.

 

 

I’m using m s outlook 2016in win 10 with n v d a.

 

How do I do a search for a subject line in a particular folder?

 

I tried a web search and keep getting bogged down in crap.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Monte

 


Re: search in outlook

John Holcomb II
 

Have you tried control+E? 

That is the keystroke to search for things. I know you can tab around there and choose which folder. I’m not sure how to search just in the subject line though.
John


Sent from my iPod

On Aug 27, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:



Hi List,

 

I posted this querry to blindtech a few days ago and had no answer.

 

 

I’m using m s outlook 2016in win 10 with n v d a.

 

How do I do a search for a subject line in a particular folder?

 

I tried a web search and keep getting bogged down in crap.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Monte

 


search in outlook

Monte Single
 

Hi List,

 

I posted this querry to blindtech a few days ago and had no answer.

 

 

I’m using m s outlook 2016in win 10 with n v d a.

 

How do I do a search for a subject line in a particular folder?

 

I tried a web search and keep getting bogged down in crap.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Monte

 


Re: advice needed about domain names

Frank Ventura
 

Have you considered getting an Outlook.com account? Basic accounts are free.

On Aug 25, 2021, at 11:24 PM, Nancy Hill via groups.io <girlyscream@...> wrote:

Everyone,


I have had my comcast email address for many years now and my husband is thinking of switching providers.


I want to set up a new addie that I can keep going forward.  I was wondering if I should consider buying a domain name.  I guess I could switch to a google or yahoo addie, but I just don't know if I would want to do that.


If I got a domain name, does anyone know where I can purchase the domain and not have to pay more yearly.


I am confused and don't want to hop from one email addie to another.


Please give me some suggestions.


Thanks muchly,

nancy








Re: advice needed about domain names

Lisa Belville
 

Hi, Hope.  I'm curious what you mean about using Yahoo with Thunderbird.


I use Frontier as my ISP, but they use Yahoo as their main portal, so everything is sent from the frontier.yahoo.com page to my Thunderbird account on my Windows PC.  So far, I haven't had any issues, but I am wondering if there is some change afoot I'm unaware of?  I'd love to ditch Frontier, but around here it's Frontier DSL, or Cable, or a new Fiber optic company that doesn't have a hub in my neighborhood yet.


Lisa


Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@frontier.com

On 8/26/2021 2:44 PM, Hope Williamson wrote:
Hi Nancy, of course you could get a Gmail address, or anything besides
your ISP. You don't have to buy a domain at all. Yahoo, mail.com, and
Fastmail would work too. Although I wouldn't necessarily recommend Yahoo
if you're going to use something like Thunderbird. I'm pretty sure you
have to pay.

On 8/25/2021 8:24 PM, Nancy Hill wrote:
Everyone,


I have had my comcast email address for many years now and my husband
is thinking of switching providers.


I want to set up a new addie that I can keep going forward.  I was
wondering if I should consider buying a domain name.  I guess I could
switch to a google or yahoo addie, but I just don't know if I would
want to do that.


If I got a domain name, does anyone know where I can purchase the
domain and not have to pay more yearly.


I am confused and don't want to hop from one email addie to another.


Please give me some suggestions.


Thanks muchly,

nancy








Re: advice needed about domain names

Hope Williamson
 

Hi Nancy, of course you could get a Gmail address, or anything besides
your ISP. You don't have to buy a domain at all. Yahoo, mail.com, and
Fastmail would work too. Although I wouldn't necessarily recommend Yahoo
if you're going to use something like Thunderbird. I'm pretty sure you
have to pay.

On 8/25/2021 8:24 PM, Nancy Hill wrote:
Everyone,


I have had my comcast email address for many years now and my husband
is thinking of switching providers.


I want to set up a new addie that I can keep going forward.  I was
wondering if I should consider buying a domain name.  I guess I could
switch to a google or yahoo addie, but I just don't know if I would
want to do that.


If I got a domain name, does anyone know where I can purchase the
domain and not have to pay more yearly.


I am confused and don't want to hop from one email addie to another.


Please give me some suggestions.


Thanks muchly,

nancy





Re: advice needed about domain names

Hope Williamson
 

I get all my domains through namesilo.com. However I never let my registrar do my hosting for me, in any way. This is just a place where you register the domain, where you host it is up to you.

On 8/26/2021 4:28 AM, Gene wrote:
But would there be any advantage in this case to buying a domain rather than use a company you pay for e-mail, such as Fast Mail? 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] advice needed about domain names
 
Hi there,
I am speaking of someone who has done a couple of times for my company, some clients and myself in terms of having your own domain.
1. some provider does charge you for buying the domain either yearly, every three years, five years or even ten years. some of them will charge you for having DNS hosting with them.
2. you can buy the domain directly through google workspace aka google aps which its the paid version of gmail and have your own domain. you basically get an domain like, mydomain.com and you can create as much email on it but you are still restricted on how much you can use. like for google workspace, it will be default 30gb.
3. seriously, if you are not going to use the capability of google workspace and you download into your email client, then you would be better off find a hosting company, share hosting and do it from there.
i don't have anyone which its accessible as i am not from USA but there's a few which some blind folks like to use like bluehost.
 
having your own domain, you need to pay for them, you need to pay google, yahoo, hosting company to have their server to use their resources. domain, you just need to buy them or i call it rent.
 
 
i have my domain for years, like ten years or so, never regret having it. if the hosting company went bankrupt , or you don't like their services, you just transfer your domain out.
find another hosting company, you put your own domain there.
 
 
 
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 at 11:25, Nancy Hill <girlyscream@...> wrote:
Everyone,


I have had my comcast email address for many years now and my husband is
thinking of switching providers.


I want to set up a new addie that I can keep going forward.  I was
wondering if I should consider buying a domain name.  I guess I could
switch to a google or yahoo addie, but I just don't know if I would want
to do that.


If I got a domain name, does anyone know where I can purchase the domain
and not have to pay more yearly.


I am confused and don't want to hop from one email addie to another.


Please give me some suggestions.


Thanks muchly,

nancy







Re: advice needed about domain names

Ann Parsons
 

Morning all,

There have been rumors around for the past several years about people getting a permanent email address issued by government or whatever and you wouldn't have to change your email addy at all. At the moment, though, it's all mist and moonshine.

Getting a domain will cost you anywhere between say $9.95 a year to $14.95 depending on what the domain provider offers you. It's slightly more expensive if the domain provider offers to handle your email, however, this is probably the best way to go.

Once you get your domain, you won't ever have to change your email address again, no matter what provider you use. Try Domain Masters there's a small company and they have excellent tech support.

Ann P.


Original message:

Everyone,

I have had my comcast email address for many years now and my husband is
thinking of switching providers.

I want to set up a new addie that I can keep going forward.  I was
wondering if I should consider buying a domain name.  I guess I could
switch to a google or yahoo addie, but I just don't know if I would want
to do that.

If I got a domain name, does anyone know where I can purchase the domain
and not have to pay more yearly.

I am confused and don't want to hop from one email addie to another.

Please give me some suggestions.

Thanks muchly,
nancy


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Re: advice needed about domain names

Gene
 

But would there be any advantage in this case to buying a domain rather than use a company you pay for e-mail, such as Fast Mail? 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] advice needed about domain names
 
Hi there,
I am speaking of someone who has done a couple of times for my company, some clients and myself in terms of having your own domain.
1. some provider does charge you for buying the domain either yearly, every three years, five years or even ten years. some of them will charge you for having DNS hosting with them.
2. you can buy the domain directly through google workspace aka google aps which its the paid version of gmail and have your own domain. you basically get an domain like, mydomain.com and you can create as much email on it but you are still restricted on how much you can use. like for google workspace, it will be default 30gb.
3. seriously, if you are not going to use the capability of google workspace and you download into your email client, then you would be better off find a hosting company, share hosting and do it from there.
i don't have anyone which its accessible as i am not from USA but there's a few which some blind folks like to use like bluehost.
 
having your own domain, you need to pay for them, you need to pay google, yahoo, hosting company to have their server to use their resources. domain, you just need to buy them or i call it rent.
 
 
i have my domain for years, like ten years or so, never regret having it. if the hosting company went bankrupt , or you don't like their services, you just transfer your domain out.
find another hosting company, you put your own domain there.
 
 
 
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 at 11:25, Nancy Hill <girlyscream@...> wrote:
Everyone,


I have had my comcast email address for many years now and my husband is
thinking of switching providers.


I want to set up a new addie that I can keep going forward.  I was
wondering if I should consider buying a domain name.  I guess I could
switch to a google or yahoo addie, but I just don't know if I would want
to do that.


If I got a domain name, does anyone know where I can purchase the domain
and not have to pay more yearly.


I am confused and don't want to hop from one email addie to another.


Please give me some suggestions.


Thanks muchly,

nancy







Re: advice needed about domain names

Thomas N. Chan
 

Hi there,
I am speaking of someone who has done a couple of times for my company, some clients and myself in terms of having your own domain.
1. some provider does charge you for buying the domain either yearly, every three years, five years or even ten years. some of them will charge you for having DNS hosting with them.
2. you can buy the domain directly through google workspace aka google aps which its the paid version of gmail and have your own domain. you basically get an domain like, mydomain.com and you can create as much email on it but you are still restricted on how much you can use. like for google workspace, it will be default 30gb.
3. seriously, if you are not going to use the capability of google workspace and you download into your email client, then you would be better off find a hosting company, share hosting and do it from there.
i don't have anyone which its accessible as i am not from USA but there's a few which some blind folks like to use like bluehost.

having your own domain, you need to pay for them, you need to pay google, yahoo, hosting company to have their server to use their resources. domain, you just need to buy them or i call it rent.


i have my domain for years, like ten years or so, never regret having it. if the hosting company went bankrupt , or you don't like their services, you just transfer your domain out.
find another hosting company, you put your own domain there.



On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 at 11:25, Nancy Hill <girlyscream@...> wrote:
Everyone,


I have had my comcast email address for many years now and my husband is
thinking of switching providers.


I want to set up a new addie that I can keep going forward.  I was
wondering if I should consider buying a domain name.  I guess I could
switch to a google or yahoo addie, but I just don't know if I would want
to do that.


If I got a domain name, does anyone know where I can purchase the domain
and not have to pay more yearly.


I am confused and don't want to hop from one email addie to another.


Please give me some suggestions.


Thanks muchly,

nancy







Re: advice needed about domain names

Gene
 

You can keep your current e-mail address if you wish.  Here is information.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 10:24 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] advice needed about domain names
 
Everyone,


I have had my comcast email address for many years now and my husband is
thinking of switching providers.


I want to set up a new addie that I can keep going forward.  I was
wondering if I should consider buying a domain name.  I guess I could
switch to a google or yahoo addie, but I just don't know if I would want
to do that.


If I got a domain name, does anyone know where I can purchase the domain
and not have to pay more yearly.


I am confused and don't want to hop from one email addie to another.


Please give me some suggestions.


Thanks muchly,

nancy






advice needed about domain names

Nancy Hill
 

Everyone,


I have had my comcast email address for many years now and my husband is thinking of switching providers.


I want to set up a new addie that I can keep going forward.  I was wondering if I should consider buying a domain name.  I guess I could switch to a google or yahoo addie, but I just don't know if I would want to do that.


If I got a domain name, does anyone know where I can purchase the domain and not have to pay more yearly.


I am confused and don't want to hop from one email addie to another.


Please give me some suggestions.


Thanks muchly,

nancy


Re: looking for a mixer or audio interface that has multiple USB inputs and outputs and is blind friendly in Windows

valiant8086
 

Hi.


I have also heard about the Zoom LiveTrak L8, but meh, money money.


Some amazon customer claims the Allen and Heath ZeDi10fx will support enough routing to serve my needs, but I haven't found out yet if the output on the channel that has been mix minused will remain stereo, which is important because it's going into Team Talk.


Are you familiar with the Podtrak p4 to know how you set it up? Is there software configuration that would permit configuring the mix minus setup from the computer or must somebody do that on the screen?


Also meh about the Focusrite, it seemed like it was the closest fit. I'm also looking at a PreSonus Studio 68c now which is 6 in and 6 out. I wonder if it's any more accessible than the Focusrite? I really like the Audient as far as what I know so far but it only has 4 channels and I haven't managed to make sense out of whether it can properly mix minus let alone is accessible. It seems like Blind people get into this stuff a lot and I'm surprised it has been this difficult to find anyone who's already doing the same thing.

On 8/25/2021 5:14 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
I have heard that the Focusrite software is not accessible for screen reader users on any platform because they made it all graphics. I know with the Podtrak P4 from Zoom, one can get two microphones, a stereo source like a phone through the analog input jack, and 2 by 2 USB audio in and out, and it has the mix-minus on both the analog jack and the USB to get two of them that way. It would be nice if that company made one a little bigger to maybe get a little more line-in into the mix possibly, but I heard the P8 is a completely different deal with touch-screen controls, where the P4 is almost all hardware controls with a small menu of stuff you can get set once and practically forget about.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of valiant8086
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 6:59 PM
To: TechTalkChat@groups.io; all-audio@groups.io; blindtech@groups.io; main@TechTalk.groups.io; electronics-talk@nfbnet.org; blindtlk@nfbnet.org
Subject: [TechTalk] looking for a mixer or audio interface that has multiple USB inputs and outputs and is blind friendly in Windows

Hi.

I just joined to ask around for help. I've been trying to get an answer for about 4 days now. I called companies, asked Amazon product pages using the question form, asked people on twitter and so on. I'm still stabbing in the dark hoping I at least find somebody who knows the perfect place to ask.


So I'm on the market for an audio interface or USB mixer. I need to be able to use at least two stereo pairs of channels e.g. 4 in and 4 out.
Other than
that, 1 rode nt1a, and at least one line input. I need low noise because I'm deaf and I have to rely on it just being quiet to start with no adjustments needed since I can't hear the floor noise anyway.

need to be able to do mix minus for one USB pair so that team talk or Skype etc can send to that pair and record from that pair which will not have itself in the mix. If I can get more than 4 tracks (2 channels) then I'd like to, because it might be possible to have Team Talk and Skype/zoom/teams listening to each other without having echo on either one.

I've got 3 choices currently but interested in more. I'm trying not to spend more than $300 or if so, close to it. The most important thing is not having the floor noise with pretty much any configuration. I'm trying to find blind people who use these or have tried to use these. If anyone knows of the best place to post this let me know? My second biggest concern is how much I'll be able to do with the computer. The audio interfaces have control software, if I'm able to tweak that then I'll be good. Hoping to find out how accessible this stuff is without having to buy things first.

first choice, Audient Evo8. I have not been able to figure out if the 4 in 4 out USB interface can be routed about to do what I need, and I don't know how accessible Audient Control software is. I like the idea of having the auto sens gain buttons I could press to automatically set gain levels on specific channels, because my ears don't hear distortion until well after people with good hearing can pick it up. Apart from Accessibility, it's not immediately obvious that this device's USB channels can be configured in such a way to allow for a mix minus. It has just enough physical connections, I would have liked to have a second set of line level inputs.

Second choice, Focusrite Scarlott 18i8. This one has a lot you can do with the USB channels until I'm pretty sure I can do anything I want in terms of mix minus with it. Again though, it just barely has enough physical connections, an extra line level pair would be nice. It seems I can also expose the tracks as wdm drivers so Gold Wave, Foobar2000 and any non daw audio supporting applications, including Windows itself, can interact with various aspects of it. If the control software and app are not fully accessible though, I'll probably not be able to set it up the way I need. Can anyone let me know?


Third choice, Allen and Heath ZeDi10fx. I'm used to analogue mixers. It seems like the 4 in 4 out USB interface can do multi mono (4) track or stereo (2) tracks. It sounds like I can direct channel 1/2 to recording software and I don't need an actual daw for this, which Is good for me. It then sounds like
3/4 USB channels can be configured in a few ways one of which includes to have it listen to aux send or fx send. I could then use the fx send or aux send level knobs on each channel to choose whether they are to be heard on aux send or on fx send. This way I can set up mix minus. However. I believe that even on the USB interface, aux send and fx send are mono, so I can't figure out how team talk could end up getting a stereo representation of the whole mix not including itself. I'm told that physical fx send jacks are always mono and I'm not sure about aux send ones. But the USB mode switch on the ZeDi10fx has one choice that says main mix 1/2 and aux send/fx send 3/4. I think that means aux send will go on the left side of the second pair and fx send will go on the right side of it.

So to recap, I don't know if audient evo8 is capable of what I need with the USB interface, or if it is accessible to configure it. I'm sure the Focusrite
18i8 is capable of it, but I don't know if it is accessible on Windows with screen readers and I like the physical design of it a little less than the evo8, plus it doesn't have auto sens gain. I'm less worried about accessibility for ZeDi10 since it's mostly just an analogue mixer with all the juicy knobs but I can't quite figure out if it is technologically able to do what I'm after.

New choices to check out are welcome. I might wind up having to buy a bunch of mixers and interfaces on my credit card and return what doesn't satisfy.
I know that I can also pair a mixer with a separate interface if it comes to that, but that immediately jumps the price way over my budget if my interface must be able to satisfy the mix minus requirements. If I'm going to pay for a good interface plus a mixer I might as well go for broke literally and buy the Zoom Live trak L8 or something along that line.


--
cheers:
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cheers:
Aaron Spears AKA Valiant8086 - General Partner Valiant Galaxy Associates. "We make *very good audiogames* for the blind comunity" http://valiantGalaxy.com


Re: looking for a mixer or audio interface that has multiple USB inputs and outputs and is blind friendly in Windows

Brent Harding
 

I have heard that the Focusrite software is not accessible for screen reader users on any platform because they made it all graphics. I know with the Podtrak P4 from Zoom, one can get two microphones, a stereo source like a phone through the analog input jack, and 2 by 2 USB audio in and out, and it has the mix-minus on both the analog jack and the USB to get two of them that way. It would be nice if that company made one a little bigger to maybe get a little more line-in into the mix possibly, but I heard the P8 is a completely different deal with touch-screen controls, where the P4 is almost all hardware controls with a small menu of stuff you can get set once and practically forget about.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of valiant8086
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 6:59 PM
To: TechTalkChat@groups.io; all-audio@groups.io; blindtech@groups.io; main@TechTalk.groups.io; electronics-talk@nfbnet.org; blindtlk@nfbnet.org
Subject: [TechTalk] looking for a mixer or audio interface that has multiple USB inputs and outputs and is blind friendly in Windows

Hi.

I just joined to ask around for help. I've been trying to get an answer for about 4 days now. I called companies, asked Amazon product pages using the question form, asked people on twitter and so on. I'm still stabbing in the dark hoping I at least find somebody who knows the perfect place to ask.


So I'm on the market for an audio interface or USB mixer. I need to be able to use at least two stereo pairs of channels e.g. 4 in and 4 out.
Other than
that, 1 rode nt1a, and at least one line input. I need low noise because I'm deaf and I have to rely on it just being quiet to start with no adjustments needed since I can't hear the floor noise anyway.

need to be able to do mix minus for one USB pair so that team talk or Skype etc can send to that pair and record from that pair which will not have itself in the mix. If I can get more than 4 tracks (2 channels) then I'd like to, because it might be possible to have Team Talk and Skype/zoom/teams listening to each other without having echo on either one.

I've got 3 choices currently but interested in more. I'm trying not to spend more than $300 or if so, close to it. The most important thing is not having the floor noise with pretty much any configuration. I'm trying to find blind people who use these or have tried to use these. If anyone knows of the best place to post this let me know? My second biggest concern is how much I'll be able to do with the computer. The audio interfaces have control software, if I'm able to tweak that then I'll be good. Hoping to find out how accessible this stuff is without having to buy things first.

first choice, Audient Evo8. I have not been able to figure out if the 4 in 4 out USB interface can be routed about to do what I need, and I don't know how accessible Audient Control software is. I like the idea of having the auto sens gain buttons I could press to automatically set gain levels on specific channels, because my ears don't hear distortion until well after people with good hearing can pick it up. Apart from Accessibility, it's not immediately obvious that this device's USB channels can be configured in such a way to allow for a mix minus. It has just enough physical connections, I would have liked to have a second set of line level inputs.

Second choice, Focusrite Scarlott 18i8. This one has a lot you can do with the USB channels until I'm pretty sure I can do anything I want in terms of mix minus with it. Again though, it just barely has enough physical connections, an extra line level pair would be nice. It seems I can also expose the tracks as wdm drivers so Gold Wave, Foobar2000 and any non daw audio supporting applications, including Windows itself, can interact with various aspects of it. If the control software and app are not fully accessible though, I'll probably not be able to set it up the way I need. Can anyone let me know?


Third choice, Allen and Heath ZeDi10fx. I'm used to analogue mixers. It seems like the 4 in 4 out USB interface can do multi mono (4) track or stereo (2) tracks. It sounds like I can direct channel 1/2 to recording software and I don't need an actual daw for this, which Is good for me. It then sounds like
3/4 USB channels can be configured in a few ways one of which includes to have it listen to aux send or fx send. I could then use the fx send or aux send level knobs on each channel to choose whether they are to be heard on aux send or on fx send. This way I can set up mix minus. However. I believe that even on the USB interface, aux send and fx send are mono, so I can't figure out how team talk could end up getting a stereo representation of the whole mix not including itself. I'm told that physical fx send jacks are always mono and I'm not sure about aux send ones. But the USB mode switch on the ZeDi10fx has one choice that says main mix 1/2 and aux send/fx send 3/4. I think that means aux send will go on the left side of the second pair and fx send will go on the right side of it.

So to recap, I don't know if audient evo8 is capable of what I need with the USB interface, or if it is accessible to configure it. I'm sure the Focusrite
18i8 is capable of it, but I don't know if it is accessible on Windows with screen readers and I like the physical design of it a little less than the evo8, plus it doesn't have auto sens gain. I'm less worried about accessibility for ZeDi10 since it's mostly just an analogue mixer with all the juicy knobs but I can't quite figure out if it is technologically able to do what I'm after.

New choices to check out are welcome. I might wind up having to buy a bunch of mixers and interfaces on my credit card and return what doesn't satisfy.
I know that I can also pair a mixer with a separate interface if it comes to that, but that immediately jumps the price way over my budget if my interface must be able to satisfy the mix minus requirements. If I'm going to pay for a good interface plus a mixer I might as well go for broke literally and buy the Zoom Live trak L8 or something along that line.


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Re: Mesh device

valiant8086
 

Hi.


You'll probably disable WiFi on the modem/router combo and put the new mesh network in AP mode. For instance the somewhat affordably priced tp link deco x20 can do this. The devices become simple access points that have a seamless backbone over either WiFi or Ethernet depending if you wire them together.


Fair warning though the Deco app was rather unfriendly on iOS last time I tried. It's doable on Android but a little messy. I think the most normal router-ish setup and configuration experience one could ask for will probably to buy some aiMesh compatible asus routers, but with a lot of Asus routers that can get expensive. Asus does have some primarily mesh network devices now that come in a pack or 2 or 3. The deal here is web configuration interface, instead of having to use an app with Deco. Deco does have a web interface but you can't change anything with it.


Google Nest WiFi you also have to use an app, and I think Amazon's Ero systems are the same, though I feel like I would assume the Ero system would be accessible with a screen reader. I know someone who uses a Nest WiFi from Google and doesn't like it, but it is pretty accessible on both iOS and Android.


The other common brand would be Netgear. I know nothing about their mesh networks, but if they still have a web interface then you'll probably be in good shape with them as well because Netgear's web interface just for their routers was good enough to get by.


I'm happy with my deco x20. If you have Android you will probably be able to set it and forget it, they're stable and have impressive range just for one node compared to a regular high power router let alone the 3 that come with the pack. You can't do a whole lot with its echo skill, the main ones are asking alexa, ask TPLink to do a speed test and, alexa turn the guest network on or off.


If your modem router combo is able to enter transparent bridging mode, then depending on if its actual connection process is something your mesh network is able to do e.g. let's say it was dsl instead of cellular, your mesh network could connect on its own via the modem using the same point to point protocol over ethernet authentication password procedure the modem itself did. I do imagine cellular modems won't make life that simple though. The major advantage to that approach is that your mesh network can now manage the whole network. With my setup, I have my deco x20 in AP mode, so all it can really let me do is change WiFi network settings. There's no dhcp reservations, port forwards, dynamic dns, traffic shaping/quality of service QoS/device prioritization blahblah. Use the functions of the modem itself for all that. For me that's not an issue. Usually cellular modems are already natted anyway so you might not be able to mess with port forwarding and the like.


You can actually use a mesh network without that network being in AP mode if you have to for some reason, but the mesh network's devices will be isolated from the rest of the world, and if your modem does support port forwarding and the cellular data connection and whatnot isn't already natted, this will still be a double nat, so you have to port forward everything with the modem to the mesh network and then on the mesh network forward to the final destination. You may also be able to use DMZ mode on the modem to skip that step of the forwarding process, just enable DMZ for the mesh network.


Not all mesh networks support AP mode, and the ones that do often have oddly irrelevent functionality that gets disabled by putting them in AP mode. Usually for instance the guest network feature doesn't work at all or has reduced functionality, like it may only work on the primary mesh network node and not any of the so-called satellights. Deco's implementation handles this about as well as I could expect, the guest network is on all nodes even while in AP mode.


I hope I helped.

On 8/25/2021 4:49 AM, Fanus wrote:

Hello John

Thanks so much for your explanations. Just one more question: currently I have a wifi router which connects to the internet via the cellular network. When I get the mesh devices, do I connect them to the existing router's wifi network or must I create a new network with new ssid and password and then connect one mesh device to my existing router with an ethernet cable so that the mesh device sort of acts as a bridge between the two networks and then I connect my devices like amazon echos, Sonos speakers etc to the mesh network. I hope you understand what I ask because mesh is new to me.

Regards

Fanus

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2021 12:39 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Mesh device

 

Basically a mesh device will take your  WiFi network and blanket it thru the house using different nodes to do so.

 

https://www.howtogeek.com/290418/what-are-mesh-wi-fi-systems-and-how-do-they-work/

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On Aug 19, 2021, at 5:30 AM, Fanus <buys.fanus@...> wrote:

Hello list
What is the purpose of a mesh device and does it also serve as a wifi
network extender?
Regards
Fanus







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