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Re: my new horse puckies computer

Lisa Belville
 

All that extra crap is called bloatware.� It's why some people just format the drive and start from scratch with a new installation of windows.


My parents bought a dell laptop from QVC a few years ago.� The amount of garbage on that thing was scary, and these are seniors who aren't all that computer literate.





Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...
On 9/20/2021 3:34 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Note, this is just a grind about my new p c experience, delete at will.

�

Yes Friends,� I lied������������������

A few short months ago I said I would not get a new p c for win11.

Well, I did get a new pc� but not just for win11,� I just had an urgeto buy that did not go away� even after a few sleeps.

It is� an hp pavilion tp01-1009 desktop.

It is fairly low down on the� scale of the latest and greatest.

It has win 10 home,

A s s d 500 gig drive,

8 gig ddr4 2660 mhz ram,

A core i5 10th gen processor and all the usual onboard audio, video, network, wifi and Bluetooth with a standard array of usb ports.

Yes, it is a fairly compact and quiet tower.

This is the first��������������������������� new brandname ��computer I have owned in about ��25 years.

Normally,� I just have one put together from brand name parts� at a localshop;� but in the last while, the price of parts has� been increasing so a brand name box looked like a good choice.

The hp keyboard has 4 keys to the left of the spacebar,� which I did not realize at the time and I was unable to get it narrating right out of the box.

So far, I give h p �support a big freakin fat� 0.

I got a frien to help me set it up and that was a trip in itself.

I already have a windows account,� but between all the hoops and hurdles I had to go through and over before reaching the desktop,� I felt like Jobe� in the midst of the tribulations.

It took� 15 20 minutes to get to the desktop with all the preliminary mumbo jumbo� and I still don�t know if I have offered my firstborn and soul to the devillllllll.

�and then there was all that free crap to get rid of like, mcaffee,� virtual v p n,� office 365 trial,� office trial,� and a whole truck load of h p �services.

�

A standard installation of m s win10 home is about 30 gigs.� After removing all that garbage, I am still using 50 gig on a brand new machine.

�

Even though I thought I got rid of mcaffee,� they still insist on sending me email�� insidious bastards.

�

The only thing I kept was the 100 gig dropbox account free for a year.

�

I doubt the first time out of the box experience for the other big name brands� is much better.

�

More later, I�m sure!

Cheers,

�

Mont


Re: my new horse puckies computer

valiant8086
 

Hi.


Yes, it is better for some of the other big name brands. for instance, Lenovo doesn't usually stick you with third party antimalware, their stuff is generally just stock windows. Asus is similar.



On 9/20/2021 4:34 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Note, this is just a grind about my new p c experience, delete at will.

 

Yes Friends,  I lied………………………………………………

A few short months ago I said I would not get a new p c for win11.

Well, I did get a new pc  but not just for win11,  I just had an urgeto buy that did not go away  even after a few sleeps.

It is  an hp pavilion tp01-1009 desktop.

It is fairly low down on the  scale of the latest and greatest.

It has win 10 home,

A s s d 500 gig drive,

8 gig ddr4 2660 mhz ram,

A core i5 10th gen processor and all the usual onboard audio, video, network, wifi and Bluetooth with a standard array of usb ports.

Yes, it is a fairly compact and quiet tower.

This is the first                            new brandname   computer I have owned in about   25 years.

Normally,  I just have one put together from brand name parts  at a localshop;  but in the last while, the price of parts has  been increasing so a brand name box looked like a good choice.

The hp keyboard has 4 keys to the left of the spacebar,  which I did not realize at the time and I was unable to get it narrating right out of the box.

So far, I give h p  support a big freakin fat  0.

I got a frien to help me set it up and that was a trip in itself.

I already have a windows account,  but between all the hoops and hurdles I had to go through and over before reaching the desktop,  I felt like Jobe  in the midst of the tribulations.

It took  15 20 minutes to get to the desktop with all the preliminary mumbo jumbo  and I still don’t know if I have offered my firstborn and soul to the devillllllll.

…and then there was all that free crap to get rid of like, mcaffee,  virtual v p n,  office 365 trial,  office trial,  and a whole truck load of h p “services.

 

A standard installation of m s win10 home is about 30 gigs.  After removing all that garbage, I am still using 50 gig on a brand new machine.

 

Even though I thought I got rid of mcaffee,  they still insist on sending me email…  insidious bastards.

 

The only thing I kept was the 100 gig dropbox account free for a year.

 

I doubt the first time out of the box experience for the other big name brands  is much better.

 

More later, I’m sure!

Cheers,

 

Mont

-- 
cheers:
Aaron Spears AKA Valiant8086 - General Partner Valiant Galaxy Associates. "We make *very good audiogames* for the blind comunity" http://valiantGalaxy.com


Re: Looking for an add on for Chrome

Thomas N. Chan
 

This extension is no longer on chromestore.

How I maintain the install version is to copy the chrome profile in my old installation drive, which also kept all my login info, cookies, bookmarks and so on. That will also keep all my install extension previously

its located at
%localappdata%\google
there's a folder call chrome
thats where chrome kept all their stuff, also including multiple profile

Unfortunately, i didn't find a similar or even close to what soundon can do on the chromestore

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 20 Sept 2021 at 23:30, Loy <loyrg2845@...> wrote:
I have an add on on one computer called "sound on click" I want this on another computer, but can't find a download link for it. does anyone have this or tell me of a similar add on I can download. The add on makes clicks when web pages changes.


Re: A serious computer problem

Holly
 

Kay:
 
Yes, you can import all your different email into this one program.


Re: A serious computer problem

Byron Stephens
 


I completely agree. I went from windows 98 se to windows me, witch was the biggest mistake and the worst version of windows I ever used, and then to xp and xp to eight and now on to ten, and there's not a big learning curb at all.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn major changes.  When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10, neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major changes.  I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great deal.
 
For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open.  But, different than XP, if  you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the start menu will open. 
 
Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or similar. 
 
You may have more choices in how you do some things, the old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
 

You’re welcome Kay.

So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like the iOS notification center.

Think of the Windows store as something  like the app store.

The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need  done rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone.

Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the  start menu.

Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing search.

Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it.

Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too.

Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option too.

That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.

AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this point its not supported either.

All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.

Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have to do so.

There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search in  addition to your screen reader.

You gotta remember. MS serves over 2  billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people  (some of which have been using  Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.

Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.

There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again  you only can choose to use them if you wanna.

Hope this helps some!

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

 

Hi John,

Thanks for your input.  I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it.  I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10.  Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it.  I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it.  Thanks for getting back with me on this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...

 

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

 

So once you hit the windows key and  start typing that’s how you’d search.

From there it will auto announce the results .

Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want.

This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu.

Many of  the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10.

There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use.

I dunno what  programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.

I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from.

Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there.

Considering you’ve done tech  installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff.

Having said that I’ll help how I can.

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

 

Hi all,

Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one.  You might say that the computer problem is me.  At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge.  I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and  adaptive technology.  I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge.  I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech.  I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together.  This is the machine that I am writing on right now.  It was built in 2004 and still flies.  All parts are industrial grade and you can tell.  This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement.   I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it.  In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them.  I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out.  I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it.  Now we come to the problem.  A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it.  I am so frustrated with it.  I just don't understand 10.  I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more.  I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what?  I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing.  Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks. 

 

What I really need is someone to help me learn everything.  Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there.  If I know something, we can move on.  I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do.  I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn.  If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know?  I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do.  I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way.  Thanks for any help with this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...

 

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor


Re: A serious computer problem

Kay Malmquist
 


I'd be interested as well.  Can you import mail from other programs to it? 

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...
 
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

Hi Holly,

 

Are you using win live mail in win10?

If Yes, please  send me the link to the tutorial.

I’d like to have a look.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: September 20, 2021 3:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

 

Kay:

 

If you decide to try out Windows Live Mail, I have a link to a wonderful tutorial on how to navigate it.

 

I have been using windows Live Mail since I upgraded to Windows 7.


Re: A serious computer problem

Holly
 

Monte:
 
Yes, I am using Windows Live Mail with Win 10.  Here is the link.
 


Re: A serious computer problem

Loy
 


Outlook Express Classic is still not accessible. And the Outlook Express that you pay $20 for keys to run is no longer available. There is a free version of OE that I am trying and it seems to work pretty good for now.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

Regarding Outlook Express, there is a program that is not the actual Outlook Express.  I believe it is called Outlook Express Classic, and the last I saw comments about it a few months ago, it wasn’t completely accessible.
 
The other Outlook Express is the actual program.  You have to get the exe file from someone who already has it because the person who modified the program so that it would run in Windows 7 and higher no longer distributes it.  You also have to get an older version of the modified program.  Newer versions required some sort of authorization by the person who modified it in exchange for a donation.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
 
That’s right.  I was thinking of versions of Windows before XP.  I checked on an old XP machine I have.
 
I don’t know what differences are causing you problems.  If you ask how to do specific things, people can tell you. 
 
I’m not saying you can learn everything you need to know about either Windows 7 or Windows 10 in that way but learning a small number of things may make an enormous difference.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
 
In Xp you still have to pres windows key plus r for run and the windows key by itself opens the start menu.  Yes, there are definite similarities but the differences are what is killing me.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...
 
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
 
I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn major changes.  When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10, neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major changes.  I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great deal.
 
For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open.  But, different than XP, if  you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the start menu will open. 
 
Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or similar. 
 
You may have more choices in how you do some things, the old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
 

You’re welcome Kay.

So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like the iOS notification center.

Think of the Windows store as something  like the app store.

The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need  done rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone.

Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the  start menu.

Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing search.

Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it.

Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too.

Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option too.

That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.

AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this point its not supported either.

All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.

Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have to do so.

There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search in  addition to your screen reader.

You gotta remember. MS serves over 2  billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people  (some of which have been using  Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.

Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.

There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again  you only can choose to use them if you wanna.

Hope this helps some!

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

 

Hi John,

Thanks for your input.  I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it.  I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10.  Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it.  I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it.  Thanks for getting back with me on this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...

 

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

 

So once you hit the windows key and  start typing that’s how you’d search.

From there it will auto announce the results .

Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want.

This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu.

Many of  the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10.

There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use.

I dunno what  programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.

I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from.

Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there.

Considering you’ve done tech  installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff.

Having said that I’ll help how I can.

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

 

Hi all,

Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one.  You might say that the computer problem is me.  At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge.  I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and  adaptive technology.  I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge.  I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech.  I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together.  This is the machine that I am writing on right now.  It was built in 2004 and still flies.  All parts are industrial grade and you can tell.  This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement.   I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it.  In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them.  I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out.  I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it.  Now we come to the problem.  A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it.  I am so frustrated with it.  I just don't understand 10.  I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more.  I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what?  I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing.  Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks. 

 

What I really need is someone to help me learn everything.  Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there.  If I know something, we can move on.  I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do.  I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn.  If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know?  I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do.  I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way.  Thanks for any help with this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...

 

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor


Re: A serious computer problem

Monte Single
 

Hi Holly,

 

Are you using win live mail in win10?

If Yes, please  send me the link to the tutorial.

I’d like to have a look.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: September 20, 2021 3:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

 

Kay:

 

If you decide to try out Windows Live Mail, I have a link to a wonderful tutorial on how to navigate it.

 

I have been using windows Live Mail since I upgraded to Windows 7.


Re: A serious computer problem

Holly
 

Heather:
 
Classic Shell has now changed to Open Shell.


Re: A serious computer problem

Gene
 

You can use first letter navigation in Thunderbird if you get the add-on that allows it.  I’d have to check its name but I believe it is a Thunderbird add-on, not a screen-reader add-on. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
 
I would go nuts, if I could not first-letter navigate to my 20 plus folders in Outlook.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 5:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

You guys are making me feel better already.  I didn't know there was a weather app on the computer.  Sounds totally great as I love keeping tabs on the weather.  I'll get it figured out.  Especially with you all to kick my butt when I need it.  Thanks again.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
 
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor


----- Original Message -----
From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...> 
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem


I second Gene here.

Its really not a lot different between versions.

I’ve used XP,7 and now 10.

And while you can do things in different ways or get at information in  different ways if you want to, you can do it the same way you’ve always done also.

Now having said that the wording may be a little different but MS isn’t gonna mess with a thing that already works.

Take something as simple as looking up weather. I absolutely love the weather app in Windows 10. Messenger works well too. ]

You can get to these things in other ways such as on your phone or thru a  browser, but I like how tightly windows store apps integrate things.

And yes. That’s   how they differentiate them.

App or windows store app.

A app is a regular  program, and  a Windows store app is an app gotten from the Microsoft store.

I really have no complains for Windows 10.

You could even get something like classic shell to change the look of Windows 10 back to what you’re used to if you need to but I think you’ll be fine as it is.

But hold up its not called classic shell anymore. I forget what they open  sourced it too now but yeah, you get the idea.

John



John





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn major changes.  When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10, neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major changes.  I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great deal.



For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open.  But, different than XP, if  you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the start menu will open. 



Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or similar. 



You may have more choices in how you do some things, the old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways. 



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...> 

Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> 

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



You’re welcome Kay.

So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like the iOS notification center.

Think of the Windows store as something  like the app store.

The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need  done rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone.

Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the  start menu.

Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing search.

Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it.

Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too.

Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option too.

That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.

AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this point its not supported either.

All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.

Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have to do so.

There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search in  addition to your screen reader.

You gotta remember. MS serves over 2  billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people  (some of which have been using  Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.

Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.

There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again  you only can choose to use them if you wanna.

Hope this helps some!

John





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



Hi John,

Thanks for your input.  I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it.  I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10.  Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it.  I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it.  Thanks for getting back with me on this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>



"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

----- Original Message -----

From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...> 

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> 

Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



So once you hit the windows key and  start typing that’s how you’d search.

From there it will auto announce the results .

Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want.

This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu.

Many of  the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10.

There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use.

I dunno what  programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.

I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from.

Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there.

Considering you’ve done tech  installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff.

Having said that I’ll help how I can.

John



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



Hi all,

Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one.  You might say that the computer problem is me.  At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge.  I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and  adaptive technology.  I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge.  I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech.  I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together.  This is the machine that I am writing on right now.  It was built in 2004 and still flies.  All parts are industrial grade and you can tell.  This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement.   I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it.  In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them.  I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out.  I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it.  Now we come to the problem.  A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it.  I am so frustrated with it.  I just don't understand 10.  I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more.  I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what?  I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing.  Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks. 



What I really need is someone to help me learn everything.  Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there.  If I know something, we can move on.  I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do.  I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn.  If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know?  I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do.  I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way.  Thanks for any help with this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>



"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor










Re: A serious computer problem

heather albright
 

I think you mean classic shell.

Cheers Heather

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Holly
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 4:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

 

Kay and Mary:

 

I think Kay would find Open Shell useful for getting used to the Windows 10

start menu.

 

It would make the start menu look like what she is used to.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: voice recording apps for IPhone

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi,

This is an option in beta. You need to enable stereo mic then you can do stereo recordings.

On 9/20/2021 6:55 AM, Leo Bado wrote:
Hmm,stereo is the default option as far as I know. I use the iPhone microphone, are you using a different Mic?


Best,
Leo Bado.

"It seems to me that I will always be happy in the place where I am not." Paul Auster. "City of Glass"

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 10:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] voice recording apps for IPhone

So guys, I have backpack studio. How do you do a stereo recording?
Recording is always mono even when I select stereo.

On 9/16/2021 2:54 AM, chris judge wrote:
Hi. Not sure if anyone has tried this one. It isn't fancy by any means but if you just want to make a quick recording there is an app called rec-up. I use it all the time. What I like about it is you link it to your drop box account. Each time you make a recording it is automatically uploaded to a folder in your drop box. It's as basic as you can get but it works.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: September 15, 2021 8:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] voice recording apps for IPhone

Would it be overkill if I wanted to do recordings of various things to share with family and friends?

On 9/13/2021 6:22 AM, Victor wrote:
That’s right! I forgot about that one! It’s a great app! It’s good for recording podcasts and various kinds of music recordings if you want to be a DJ because it allows you to mix tracks and add sound effects.

Victor
On Sep 13, 2021, at 3:19 AM, Leo Bado <leobado1982@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, I don't know exactly what you want, but have you tried Backpack Studio?

Best,
Leo Bado.

"It seems to me that I will always be happy in the place where I am not." Paul Auster. "City of Glass"

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 6:21 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] voice recording apps for IPhone

Hi all,

Does anyone know of better accessible voice recording apps for the IPhone? The voice memos app records in mono, and doesn't offer anything other than 64k and wav quality. The newer IPhones come with a second microphone. Are any apps able to use it?


























Re: A serious computer problem

Holly
 

Kay:
 
If you decide to try out Windows Live Mail, I have a link to a wonderful tutorial on how to navigate it.
 
I have been using windows Live Mail since I upgraded to Windows 7.


Re: A serious computer problem

Holly
 

Kay and Mary:

I think Kay would find Open Shell useful for getting used to the Windows 10 start menu.

It would make the start menu look like what she is used to.


Re: A serious computer problem

Carolyn Arnold
 

My husband always says to learn a little at a time, and learn that thoroughly; he taught in community college.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 5:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

That’s right. I was thinking of versions of Windows before XP. I checked on an old XP machine I have.

I don’t know what differences are causing you problems. If you ask how to do specific things, people can tell you.

I’m not saying you can learn everything you need to know about either Windows 7 or Windows 10 in that way but learning a small number of things may make an enormous difference.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Kay Malmquist <mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 4:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

In Xp you still have to pres windows key plus r for run and the windows key by itself opens the start menu. Yes, there are definite similarities but the differences are what is killing me.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn major changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10, neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major changes. I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great deal.

For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different than XP, if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the start menu will open.

Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or similar.

You may have more choices in how you do some things, the old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways.

Gene
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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem


You’re welcome Kay.

So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like the iOS notification center.

Think of the Windows store as something like the app store.

The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone.

Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the start menu.

Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing search.

Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it.

Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too.

Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option too.

That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.

AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this point its not supported either.

All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.

Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have to do so.

There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your screen reader.

You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.

Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.

There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can choose to use them if you wanna.

Hope this helps some!

John





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



Hi John,

Thanks for your input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>



"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

----- Original Message -----

From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@gmail.com>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



So once you hit the windows key and start typing that’s how you’d search.

From there it will auto announce the results .

Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want.

This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu.

Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10.

There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use.

I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.

I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from.

Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there.

Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff.

Having said that I’ll help how I can.

John



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



Hi all,

Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks.



What I really need is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>



"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor


Re: A serious computer problem

Carolyn Arnold
 

I would go nuts, if I could not first-letter navigate to my 20 plus folders in Outlook.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 5:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

You guys are making me feel better already. I didn't know there was a weather app on the computer. Sounds totally great as I love keeping tabs on the weather. I'll get it figured out. Especially with you all to kick my butt when I need it. Thanks again.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor


----- Original Message -----
From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem


I second Gene here.

Its really not a lot different between versions.

I’ve used XP,7 and now 10.

And while you can do things in different ways or get at information in different ways if you want to, you can do it the same way you’ve always done also.

Now having said that the wording may be a little different but MS isn’t gonna mess with a thing that already works.

Take something as simple as looking up weather. I absolutely love the weather app in Windows 10. Messenger works well too. ]

You can get to these things in other ways such as on your phone or thru a browser, but I like how tightly windows store apps integrate things.

And yes. That’s how they differentiate them.

App or windows store app.

A app is a regular program, and a Windows store app is an app gotten from the Microsoft store.

I really have no complains for Windows 10.

You could even get something like classic shell to change the look of Windows 10 back to what you’re used to if you need to but I think you’ll be fine as it is.

But hold up its not called classic shell anymore. I forget what they open sourced it too now but yeah, you get the idea.

John



John





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn major changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10, neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major changes. I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great deal.



For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different than XP, if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the start menu will open.



Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or similar.



You may have more choices in how you do some things, the old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



You’re welcome Kay.

So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like the iOS notification center.

Think of the Windows store as something like the app store.

The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone.

Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the start menu.

Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing search.

Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it.

Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too.

Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option too.

That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.

AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this point its not supported either.

All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.

Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have to do so.

There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your screen reader.

You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.

Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.

There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can choose to use them if you wanna.

Hope this helps some!

John





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



Hi John,

Thanks for your input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>



"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

----- Original Message -----

From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@gmail.com>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



So once you hit the windows key and start typing that’s how you’d search.

From there it will auto announce the results .

Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want.

This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu.

Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10.

There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use.

I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.

I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from.

Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there.

Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff.

Having said that I’ll help how I can.

John



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



Hi all,

Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks.



What I really need is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>



"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor


Re: A serious computer problem

Carolyn Arnold
 

Windows Key on 10 opens the Search, where we used to have to type something like Windows Key f, I believe to search.

The good thing about 10 is that you don't have to know where anything is. Just press Windows Calculator, VOILA, there you are in Calculator. Press Windows Key anything, and you are in it.

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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 5:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
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In Xp you still have to pres windows key plus r for run and the windows key by itself opens the start menu. Yes, there are definite similarities but the differences are what is killing me.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor


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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:29 PM
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I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn major changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10, neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major changes. I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great deal.

For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different than XP, if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the start menu will open.

Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or similar.

You may have more choices in how you do some things, the old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways.

Gene
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You’re welcome Kay.

So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like the iOS notification center.

Think of the Windows store as something like the app store.

The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone.

Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the start menu.

Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing search.

Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it.

Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too.

Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option too.

That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.

AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this point its not supported either.

All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.

Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have to do so.

There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your screen reader.

You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.

Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.

There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can choose to use them if you wanna.

Hope this helps some!

John





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



Hi John,

Thanks for your input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>



"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

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To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



So once you hit the windows key and start typing that’s how you’d search.

From there it will auto announce the results .

Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want.

This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu.

Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10.

There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use.

I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.

I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from.

Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there.

Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff.

Having said that I’ll help how I can.

John



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



Hi all,

Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks.



What I really need is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>



"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor


Re: A serious computer problem

Carolyn Arnold
 

Kay, I also have a big tutorial on Outlook. I can send it to
you too.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

John,
Yes, I think it does. I'll refer back to this and check out
the things you suggested. I have outlook on this new
machine, but would really rather use Outlook Express. I
know there are two versions currently out there and neither
one is the true program but one is still working. I think I
want to try that out. I also want to put my DecTalk express
USB on there as well, because I still prefer Paul to any
other voices. People say I am nuts because Eloquence is
great. Even when I was training, I was so happy to get back
to my computer and its voice.

But again, thanks. I really do appreciate you reaching out
and helping.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor


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To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem


You're welcome Kay.

So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as
something like the iOS notification center.

Think of the Windows store as something like the
app store.

The only difference is that you'll be using tab ,
arrow and enter keys to get what you need done rather than
flicking and tapping like on a phone.

Just like Xp, there's a desktop with all of your
apps. Or you can get to them in the start menu.

Although its easier to just tap the windows key and
start typing to search for the app you want. In every case
(by default unless you change it), any local results such as
apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web
results which uses Bing search.

Just like in earlier windows versions you got a
taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it.

Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too.

Its got its own built in screen reader which is good
enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can't
use NVDA or JAWS if you don't wish too. But Narrator is
there and c can be used as a first party option too.

That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.

AT this point I wouldn't bother g going to 7, since
at this point its not supported either.

All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot
of windows commands will work the same just like in older
versions.

Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if
you have to do so.

There's also pretty extensive list of keyboard
shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search
in addition to your screen reader.

You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people
with Windows. That's a lot of age groups and people (some
of which have been using Windows since day one.) so while
sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.

Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just
like in iOS but you don't have to if you don't wanna.

There's emoji's like iOS too but again you only can
choose to use them if you wanna.

Hope this helps some!

John





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



Hi John,

Thanks for your input. I know it is just going to
take my doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually
agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am
having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and
don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to
understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at
home with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com
<mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>



"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

----- Original Message -----

From: John Holcomb II
<mailto:jhii926@gmail.com>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem



So once you hit the windows key and start
typing that's how you'd search.

From there it will auto announce the results
.

Move your up and down arrows to move thru
them and press enter on the one you want.

This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I'm
remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used
XP), like the new XP start menu.

Many of the things are the same between XP,
7 and 10.

There are things in 10 that you can choose
to use or not use.

I dunno what programs you use in Xp but
most likely they'll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated
versions.

I'm not sure if you know about smartphones
and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is
this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just
like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can
get software from.

Now just because it has it doesn't mean you
have to use it, just putting it out there.

Considering you've done tech installs and
whatnot I'm actually a bit surprised at how lost you are
with the OS stuff.

Having said that I'll help how I can.

John



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem



Hi all,

Let me start by saying this is going to be a
long one. You might say that the computer problem is me.
At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even
worked for a business as a trainer and installer of
computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the
state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various
levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved
away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but
of course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a
friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine
that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and
still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can
tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a
bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has
Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have
two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the
hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got
it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am
not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it.
Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I
received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so
frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10. I don't
understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things
and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top
of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit
tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things
going but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every
time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks.




What I really need is someone to help me
learn everything. Someone who would be willing to start out
from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know
something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay
obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what
to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to
turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is
good with teaching computers, could you please let me know?
I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I
truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and
learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for
any help with this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com
<mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>



"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor


Re: A serious computer problem

Carolyn Arnold
 

I did not care for Classic Shell for my Desktop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem

I second Gene here.

Its really not a lot different between versions.

I’ve used XP,7 and now 10.

And while you can do things in different ways or get at information in different ways if you want to, you can do it the same way you’ve always done also.

Now having said that the wording may be a little different but MS isn’t gonna mess with a thing that already works.

Take something as simple as looking up weather. I absolutely love the weather app in Windows 10. Messenger works well too. ]

You can get to these things in other ways such as on your phone or thru a browser, but I like how tightly windows store apps integrate things.

And yes. That’s how they differentiate them.

App or windows store app.

A app is a regular program, and a Windows store app is an app gotten from the Microsoft store.

I really have no complains for Windows 10.

You could even get something like classic shell to change the look of Windows 10 back to what you’re used to if you need to but I think you’ll be fine as it is.

But hold up its not called classic shell anymore. I forget what they open sourced it too now but yeah, you get the idea.

John



John





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn major changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10, neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major changes. I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great deal.



For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different than XP, if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the start menu will open.



Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or similar.



You may have more choices in how you do some things, the old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways.



Gene

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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



You’re welcome Kay.

So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like the iOS notification center.

Think of the Windows store as something like the app store.

The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone.

Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the start menu.

Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing search.

Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it.

Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too.

Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option too.

That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.

AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this point its not supported either.

All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.

Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have to do so.

There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your screen reader.

You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.

Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.

There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can choose to use them if you wanna.

Hope this helps some!

John





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



Hi John,

Thanks for your input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>



"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

----- Original Message -----

From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@gmail.com>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



So once you hit the windows key and start typing that’s how you’d search.

From there it will auto announce the results .

Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want.

This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu.

Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10.

There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use.

I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.

I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from.

Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there.

Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff.

Having said that I’ll help how I can.

John



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem



Hi all,

Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks.



What I really need is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmquist@gmail.com>



"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

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