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Re: Laptop and Keyboard Question Please.
Gene
How is it connected? If it is a USB keyboard, it should work.
There may be an adapter you can purchase if the keyboard isn’t connected by a
USB connector. Someone else who knows more about adapters can discuss the
question.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From:
Janet
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 5:24 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Laptop and Keyboard Question
Please. Hi Everyone, Well, here I am with another question. Now that I can’t get my Windows Seven to boot up, can I plug in my keyboard from Windows Seven to my Windows Ten Laptop? If so, what might I have to do to master this task? I’m only using my Windows Ten Laptop, in which I find one hell of a struggle! LOL! I can’t stand the keys on this Laptop, and I don’t want to buy a new computer just yet, because I heard Windows 11 has been released recently, and I am currently still learning Windows 10, as well as learning to use a Laptop as opposed to using a Desktop. Chances of me ever buying another Laptop are very slim! Although, I will keep this Laptop as a backup once I finally get a Desktop.
Thank you all for any suggestions. Janet So, one challenge at a time! LOL!
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Re: Laptop and Keyboard Question Please.
chris judge
Hi Janet.
Is your keyboard USB? If so, just unplug it from the desktop computer and plug it in to one of the USB ports on your laptop and you should be good to go.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: October 10, 2021 7:24 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: [TechTalk] Laptop and Keyboard Question Please.
Hi Everyone, Well, here I am with another question. Now that I can’t get my Windows Seven to boot up, can I plug in my keyboard from Windows Seven to my Windows Ten Laptop? If so, what might I have to do to master this task? I’m only using my Windows Ten Laptop, in which I find one hell of a struggle! LOL! I can’t stand the keys on this Laptop, and I don’t want to buy a new computer just yet, because I heard Windows 11 has been released recently, and I am currently still learning Windows 10, as well as learning to use a Laptop as opposed to using a Desktop. Chances of me ever buying another Laptop are very slim! Although, I will keep this Laptop as a backup once I finally get a Desktop.
Thank you all for any suggestions. Janet So, one challenge at a time! LOL!
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Re: google standard view, I hate it!
Abbie Taylor
Hi, David, actually, I find Gmail standard view more efficient than basic html view. The trick with NVDA or JAWS is to keep it in forms mode when browsing the message list. Once in this mode, there are a variety of keyboard shortcuts to perform certain functions.
When you find a message you want to open, press Enter. You can delete a message from the list by selecting it with the X key, then pressing Shift plus 3, the number sign. You can select and delete multiple messages this way. Pressing the applications key once a message is selected opens a context menu where you'll find such options as replying to, forwarding, and moving the message. When a message is open, you can have your speech read it automatically by pressing N. In conversation view, this shortcut navigates you from one message to the next. To reply, press R. To reply to all, press A. To delete the message, press the number sign. To move it, press V. To compose a new message, press C. If you type the first few letters of the recipient's name or email address, it should come up. To CC somebody, press Control plus Shift plus C To BCC somebody, press Shift plus Control plus B. To attach a file, simply tab until you hear, "Attach files." Please keep in mind that the keyboard shortcuts I just gave you only work when you're in forms mode. If you toggle to browse mode, you can navigate by headings, links, etc. You'll find a complete list of keyboard shortcuts by pressing a button that says, "Using Gmail with Screen Readers," located near the top of the page while you're in the message list. I hope all this is helpful. --
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com abbietaylor945@...
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Laptop and Keyboard Question Please.
Janet
Hi Everyone, Well, here I am with another question. Now that I can’t get my Windows Seven to boot up, can I plug in my keyboard from Windows Seven to my Windows Ten Laptop? If so, what might I have to do to master this task? I’m only using my Windows Ten Laptop, in which I find one hell of a struggle! LOL! I can’t stand the keys on this Laptop, and I don’t want to buy a new computer just yet, because I heard Windows 11 has been released recently, and I am currently still learning Windows 10, as well as learning to use a Laptop as opposed to using a Desktop. Chances of me ever buying another Laptop are very slim! Although, I will keep this Laptop as a backup once I finally get a Desktop.
Thank you all for any suggestions. Janet So, one challenge at a time! LOL!
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Re: Windows Essentials 2012 offline installer
John Holcomb II
Hmm. Is anyone else having problems? For me when I hit enter on the link it cdomes up with Smash just fine and lets me download the file. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Risavy, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 5:53 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Essentials 2012 offline installer
Unable to download it as malware bytes keeps blocking this and when do try to download it shows a 403 error.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
I forgot I had this but for those that want it. This includes Windows Live mail. https://fromsmash.com/T66d.eZuLa-et
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Re: Windows Essentials 2012 offline installer
Don Risavy, Jr.
Unable to download it as malware bytes keeps blocking this and when do try to download it shows a 403 error.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 5:24 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Essentials 2012 offline installer
I forgot I had this but for those that want it. This includes Windows Live mail. https://fromsmash.com/T66d.eZuLa-et
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Re: Brave Help Please.
Janet
Hi Mike, Thank you so much for this, as it has been so long since I made this change, that I actually forgot all about that! LOL! I did follow the steps you sent me, and it worked like a charm, and I opened Brave and filled out the survey online I wanted to fill out, so now, or maybe I should say so far all is well. Thank you again!
Janet Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 3:20 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Brave Help Please.
It sounds like forms mode might be set to automatic. Try the following while in Brave. 1. Open the Settings Center in either of these 2 ways. 2. Down arrow to, Forms mode, and right arrow to open. 3. Down arrow to, Select forms mode... your selection will be spoken. i.e, Select forms mode automatic, for example. Use the spacebar to toggle through your options. Below is the 3 options explained: Use radio buttons in this group to automatically or manually enter Forms Mode. Select Auto to automatically enter Forms Mode when you press TAB, SHIFT+TAB, or the ARROW Keys to move to a
control. Auto Forms Mode means that you can freely type in the edit field without having to first press ENTER. When you exit the control, Forms Mode turns off. This functionality can be very useful for new and sighted JAWS users. Auto Forms Mode is on by default.
Select Manual to manually control Forms Mode operation. Manual Forms Mode is used by default when using Navigation Quick Keys to jump to a form control, such as F or E for the next form field or edit box. This means that when you move into an edit field or
combo box control, you must press ENTER first to type text or select a value. To manually exit Forms Mode, press NUM PAD PLUS or ESC.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: Janet Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:05 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Brave Help Please.
Hi Everyone, I don’t like and don’t want to use Windows Mail anymore, so I now need to decide on another email program, as my personal opinion of Windows Mail, is just too many issues. Now for my other problem, when trying to fill out a survey through a link I got from an email, I keep checking the boxes I want to check, as well as adding other information using Brave as my browser, but it seems as soon as I get to an edit box rather to fill out the edit box or just browsing through the web page, I hear a pop up sound, and can’t move any where like I’m stuck in that edit field until I press the escape key. Does anyone have any ideas why this might be happening? I never had this problem when using Windows ‘seven.
Thank you all in advance.
Janet
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Windows Essentials 2012 offline installer
John Holcomb II
I forgot I had this but for those that want it. This includes Windows Live mail. https://fromsmash.com/T66d.eZuLa-et
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Re: Help With Windows Mail Please!
Gene
I looked up information and that is correct. Microsoft’s new ‘One Outlook’ app leaks online - The Verge
Gene
On 10/10/2021 4:03 PM, Loy wrote:
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Re: Help With Windows Mail Please!
Loy
I read that at some point Microsoft is going to
replace Windows Mail with a Outlook like app.
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Re: Help With Windows Mail Please!
John Holcomb II
Never seen that happening, Heather. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 2:07 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
I miss spoke, I ment the messages keep falling out of the mail app. So you have to go online to get them back. This happens even if you did not delete them to the trash folder, they just disappear from the enbox. Cheers Heather
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
If you use an IMAP account, you won’t lose mail if the program crashes. The mail will remain on the server.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: heather albright Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
The mail app is real buggy, if you are say using jaws, it usually crashes either the mail app or jaws. I noticed lately, it is doing the same thing with NVDA. I have not used narrator to see if it happens too using that screenreader. I would advise you to use thunder bird or outlook if you have it. The mail app also seems to lose messages out right. But if you want to use the mail app, can I suggest you check your mail with 2 programs so if you lose messages in the mail app, they will still be there with the other program. I routinely check mail with 2 programs incase one crashes or loses messages. It does happen and glad I check with 2 programs. I have outlook, thunder bird and I use the mail app mainly for one of my accounts. But, I have been using thunderbird with outlook. Cant decide which one I like the best. Heather
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
It sounds as though something in the message is stopping your screen-reader from speaking. You might try a different screen-reader to see if it speaks when the message is opened. You might try Narrator, but someone else would have to tell you how to run it and try to read in the message with it if you don’t know. I don’t have Windows 10 and I know very little about Narrator.
Something else you can try is forwarding the message to someone like me or someone else and see if they can read it. If they can, they can probably copy and paste the text into a new message and send it to you. That might solve the problem, especially if they only paste text and nothing else in the message. There would be no code from the original message to cause problems.
Since we don’t know what the problem is, you might want to forward it to someone who doesn’t use your e-mail program. I use Windows Live Mail. other people you know may well use other programs than you are using.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
Gene, After I open the message, sometimes I hear a message saying reading pane, but most of the time, I don’t hear anything. When I use the title bar, I don’t hear anything, no matter which key I press, I don’t hear anything.
Janet
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
I’m not sure what the problem is. Does your screen-reader speak when the message is opened at all? For example, when you read the title bar, is that spoken? I’m trying to figure out if the screen-reader isn’t speaking or if it isn’t reading any text in the message.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
Hi Gene, Ok, I just opened the message, selected all the text, copied, closed mail, copied to clip board, copied in note pad, I still heard nothing. I didn’t have this problem reading this particular email when I was using Windows Seven though, this just started happening as I have to use Windows Ten Laptop, or Windows Mail. Not sure why or if that might have anything to do with it though.
Janet
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
There may be some code in the message that causes your screen[-reader not to speak when you are in the window. the easiest thing to do might be the following: Open the message. Then, even if you have no speech, use the control a command. Then copy what is selected to the clipboard in the usual control c way. Close the message and get speech back. Open Notepad and paste into it. Is the text there? It shouldn’t have anything in it that would interfere with your screen-reader
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
I’m pretty sure there is text in the mail though. The only way I can get either screen reader to start reading is to press the alt plus f4 to close out the entire email program.
Janet
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Loy
Could it be that it is an image and no text? Does JAWS start speaking if you close that email?
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FW: [blind-techies] Just an announcement
John Holcomb II
Passing along for anyone that would find this useful.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
John
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-techies@groups.io <blind-techies@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:41 PM To: blind-techies@groups.io Subject: [blind-techies] Just an announcement Hello all, I am writing to you all for there may be those who need something as this and surely, there may not. Equitas Life Technologies, Inc. Equitas: Latin meaning fair or equal. Our goal is to end the category of contra-indication of those disabled in regarding to the use of medical devices. We have designed and will bring to market the first insulin pump indicated for those blind, deaf, dyslexic and/or those with motor issues with their hands. Tens of millions needing, not wanting this device. We will answer their cries for accessibility and we believe we have done an amazing job. Our prototype is complete and bench tests are positively exciting. Our website will give much more regarding all we are doing. I hope to catch your interest as we have done by many from around the globe that need this device. Please take this notice as simply that we are letting the cat out of the bag, so to speak. Nothing more, nothing less. We also have a group list so not to fill up other's lists as this. This is technology for the blind and with that understood, you can join our group or write me direct if you choose. Pass the word/news and if any of you do a newsletter or a podcast, contact me in the hopes of doing a story. Again, to simply let those needing, know that something is in the works. Remain safe/well, Rick Mladek Equitas Life Technologies, Inc. Office: +1-330-297-8938 Mobile/Whatsapp: +1-330-357-6386 rmladek@equitaslifetech.com http://www.equitaslifetech.com equitas-group+subscribe@googlegroups.com www.equitaslifetech.com
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Re: Brave Help Please.
Holly
Janet:
I have noticed this on many sites with edit fields. If
you get stuck in the edit field, the only thing that will get you out is the
escape key. At least, that has been my
experience.
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Re: Brave Help Please.
Gene
The first sentence was written incorrectly. It should be, I’m not
sure how you are moving.
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Brave Help Please. I’m not sure how you are using. I don’t recall which screen-reader
you are using but whatever the case, I think you should turn automatic switching
between the virtual pc cursor and forms mode off as the states are called in
JAWS. In NVDA, they are called browse and focus mode. The sounds you
are hearing are notifications that you have changed from one mode to
another. If you want the notifications to be spoken rather than indicated
with a sound, you can change that as well.
As far as using another e-mail program, I use Windows Live Mail. You
will have to get the installation file from someone if you want to use it
because Microsoft doesn’t support or distribute it any longer.
On my machine, I’ve heard different reports from different people using
different machines, it opens messages faster than Thunderbird. Aside from
that, I don’t have much preference between the programs.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Hi Everyone, I don’t like and don’t want to use Windows Mail anymore, so I now need to decide on another email program, as my personal opinion of Windows Mail, is just too many issues. Now for my other problem, when trying to fill out a survey through a link I got from an email, I keep checking the boxes I want to check, as well as adding other information using Brave as my browser, but it seems as soon as I get to an edit box rather to fill out the edit box or just browsing through the web page, I hear a pop up sound, and can’t move any where like I’m stuck in that edit field until I press the escape key. Does anyone have any ideas why this might be happening? I never had this problem when using Windows ‘seven.
Thank you all in advance.
Janet
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Re: Brave Help Please.
Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
It sounds like forms mode might be set to
automatic. Try the following while in Brave.
1. Open the Settings Center in either of these
2 ways.
A. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard. B. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + F2, to open the, Jaws Manager, arrow down to, Settings Center, & press enter. 2. Down arrow to, Forms mode, and right arrow
to open.
3. Down arrow to, Select forms mode... your
selection will be spoken. i.e, Select forms mode automatic, for
example. Use the spacebar to toggle through your options. Below is
the 3 options explained:
Use radio buttons in this group to
automatically or manually enter Forms Mode. Select Auto to automatically enter
Forms Mode when you press TAB, SHIFT+TAB, or the ARROW Keys to move to a
control. Auto Forms Mode means that you can freely type in the edit field
without having to first press ENTER. When you exit the control, Forms Mode turns
off. This functionality can be very useful for new and sighted JAWS users. Auto
Forms Mode is on by default. Select Manual to manually control Forms Mode
operation. Manual Forms Mode is used by default when using Navigation Quick Keys
to jump to a form control, such as F or E for the next form field or edit box.
This means that when you move into an edit field or combo box control, you must
press ENTER first to type text or select a value. To manually exit Forms Mode,
press NUM PAD PLUS or ESC.
Select Semi-auto to have JAWS automatically enter Forms mode only when TAB or SHIFT+TAB is pressed to move to a form control. Moving to a form control using Navigation Quick Keys and ARROW keys will not activate Forms Mode. You must manually exit Forms Mode when Semi-auto is active. Using Manual or Semi-auto Forms Mode may be better suited for experienced users. Note: When Forms Mode is on, Say Line or Say All reads all text on the current line. This includes labels and descriptions. Stay safe & take care. Mike. Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:05 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Brave Help Please. Hi Everyone, I don’t like and don’t want to use Windows Mail anymore, so I now need to decide on another email program, as my personal opinion of Windows Mail, is just too many issues. Now for my other problem, when trying to fill out a survey through a link I got from an email, I keep checking the boxes I want to check, as well as adding other information using Brave as my browser, but it seems as soon as I get to an edit box rather to fill out the edit box or just browsing through the web page, I hear a pop up sound, and can’t move any where like I’m stuck in that edit field until I press the escape key. Does anyone have any ideas why this might be happening? I never had this problem when using Windows ‘seven.
Thank you all in advance.
Janet
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Re: Brave Help Please.
Gene
I’m not sure how you are using. I don’t recall which screen-reader
you are using but whatever the case, I think you should turn automatic switching
between the virtual pc cursor and forms mode off as the states are called in
JAWS. In NVDA, they are called browse and focus mode. The sounds you
are hearing are notifications that you have changed from one mode to
another. If you want the notifications to be spoken rather than indicated
with a sound, you can change that as well.
As far as using another e-mail program, I use Windows Live Mail. You
will have to get the installation file from someone if you want to use it
because Microsoft doesn’t support or distribute it any longer.
On my machine, I’ve heard different reports from different people using
different machines, it opens messages faster than Thunderbird. Aside from
that, I don’t have much preference between the programs.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Hi Everyone, I don’t like and don’t want to use Windows Mail anymore, so I now need to decide on another email program, as my personal opinion of Windows Mail, is just too many issues. Now for my other problem, when trying to fill out a survey through a link I got from an email, I keep checking the boxes I want to check, as well as adding other information using Brave as my browser, but it seems as soon as I get to an edit box rather to fill out the edit box or just browsing through the web page, I hear a pop up sound, and can’t move any where like I’m stuck in that edit field until I press the escape key. Does anyone have any ideas why this might be happening? I never had this problem when using Windows ‘seven.
Thank you all in advance.
Janet
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Re: Help With Windows Mail Please!
Janet
HI Heather, My personal opinion of this Windows Mail is nothing but crap! Thank you for your advice though.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: heather albright
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:07 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
I miss spoke, I ment the messages keep falling out of the mail app. So you have to go online to get them back. This happens even if you did not delete them to the trash folder, they just disappear from the enbox. Cheers Heather
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
If you use an IMAP account, you won’t lose mail if the program crashes. The mail will remain on the server.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: heather albright Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
The mail app is real buggy, if you are say using jaws, it usually crashes either the mail app or jaws. I noticed lately, it is doing the same thing with NVDA. I have not used narrator to see if it happens too using that screenreader. I would advise you to use thunder bird or outlook if you have it. The mail app also seems to lose messages out right. But if you want to use the mail app, can I suggest you check your mail with 2 programs so if you lose messages in the mail app, they will still be there with the other program. I routinely check mail with 2 programs incase one crashes or loses messages. It does happen and glad I check with 2 programs. I have outlook, thunder bird and I use the mail app mainly for one of my accounts. But, I have been using thunderbird with outlook. Cant decide which one I like the best. Heather
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
It sounds as though something in the message is stopping your screen-reader from speaking. You might try a different screen-reader to see if it speaks when the message is opened. You might try Narrator, but someone else would have to tell you how to run it and try to read in the message with it if you don’t know. I don’t have Windows 10 and I know very little about Narrator.
Something else you can try is forwarding the message to someone like me or someone else and see if they can read it. If they can, they can probably copy and paste the text into a new message and send it to you. That might solve the problem, especially if they only paste text and nothing else in the message. There would be no code from the original message to cause problems.
Since we don’t know what the problem is, you might want to forward it to someone who doesn’t use your e-mail program. I use Windows Live Mail. other people you know may well use other programs than you are using.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
Gene, After I open the message, sometimes I hear a message saying reading pane, but most of the time, I don’t hear anything. When I use the title bar, I don’t hear anything, no matter which key I press, I don’t hear anything.
Janet
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
I’m not sure what the problem is. Does your screen-reader speak when the message is opened at all? For example, when you read the title bar, is that spoken? I’m trying to figure out if the screen-reader isn’t speaking or if it isn’t reading any text in the message.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
Hi Gene, Ok, I just opened the message, selected all the text, copied, closed mail, copied to clip board, copied in note pad, I still heard nothing. I didn’t have this problem reading this particular email when I was using Windows Seven though, this just started happening as I have to use Windows Ten Laptop, or Windows Mail. Not sure why or if that might have anything to do with it though.
Janet
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
There may be some code in the message that causes your screen[-reader not to speak when you are in the window. the easiest thing to do might be the following: Open the message. Then, even if you have no speech, use the control a command. Then copy what is selected to the clipboard in the usual control c way. Close the message and get speech back. Open Notepad and paste into it. Is the text there? It shouldn’t have anything in it that would interfere with your screen-reader
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
I’m pretty sure there is text in the mail though. The only way I can get either screen reader to start reading is to press the alt plus f4 to close out the entire email program.
Janet
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Loy
Could it be that it is an image and no text? Does JAWS start speaking if you close that email?
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Brave Help Please.
Janet
Hi Everyone, I don’t like and don’t want to use Windows Mail anymore, so I now need to decide on another email program, as my personal opinion of Windows Mail, is just too many issues. Now for my other problem, when trying to fill out a survey through a link I got from an email, I keep checking the boxes I want to check, as well as adding other information using Brave as my browser, but it seems as soon as I get to an edit box rather to fill out the edit box or just browsing through the web page, I hear a pop up sound, and can’t move any where like I’m stuck in that edit field until I press the escape key. Does anyone have any ideas why this might be happening? I never had this problem when using Windows ‘seven.
Thank you all in advance.
Janet
Sent from Mail for Windows
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Re: Help With Windows Mail Please!
Gene
I would think most people remain online while looking at e-mail so this may
not be an inconvenience. Of course, some people would look at mail off
line. But if you are online, do messages disa;ppear and then reappear as
they are automatically downloaded again or does this problem only occur when you
are off line?
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail
Please! I miss spoke, I ment the messages keep falling out of the mail app. So you have to go online to get them back. This happens even if you did not delete them to the trash folder, they just disappear from the enbox. Cheers Heather
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
If you use an IMAP account, you won’t lose mail if the program crashes. The mail will remain on the server.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: heather albright Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
The mail app is real buggy, if you are say using jaws, it usually crashes either the mail app or jaws. I noticed lately, it is doing the same thing with NVDA. I have not used narrator to see if it happens too using that screenreader. I would advise you to use thunder bird or outlook if you have it. The mail app also seems to lose messages out right. But if you want to use the mail app, can I suggest you check your mail with 2 programs so if you lose messages in the mail app, they will still be there with the other program. I routinely check mail with 2 programs incase one crashes or loses messages. It does happen and glad I check with 2 programs. I have outlook, thunder bird and I use the mail app mainly for one of my accounts. But, I have been using thunderbird with outlook. Cant decide which one I like the best. Heather
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
It sounds as though something in the message is stopping your screen-reader from speaking. You might try a different screen-reader to see if it speaks when the message is opened. You might try Narrator, but someone else would have to tell you how to run it and try to read in the message with it if you don’t know. I don’t have Windows 10 and I know very little about Narrator.
Something else you can try is forwarding the message to someone like me or someone else and see if they can read it. If they can, they can probably copy and paste the text into a new message and send it to you. That might solve the problem, especially if they only paste text and nothing else in the message. There would be no code from the original message to cause problems.
Since we don’t know what the problem is, you might want to forward it to someone who doesn’t use your e-mail program. I use Windows Live Mail. other people you know may well use other programs than you are using.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
Gene, After I open the message, sometimes I hear a message saying reading pane, but most of the time, I don’t hear anything. When I use the title bar, I don’t hear anything, no matter which key I press, I don’t hear anything.
Janet
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
I’m not sure what the problem is. Does your screen-reader speak when the message is opened at all? For example, when you read the title bar, is that spoken? I’m trying to figure out if the screen-reader isn’t speaking or if it isn’t reading any text in the message.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
Hi Gene, Ok, I just opened the message, selected all the text, copied, closed mail, copied to clip board, copied in note pad, I still heard nothing. I didn’t have this problem reading this particular email when I was using Windows Seven though, this just started happening as I have to use Windows Ten Laptop, or Windows Mail. Not sure why or if that might have anything to do with it though.
Janet
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
There may be some code in the message that causes your screen[-reader not to speak when you are in the window. the easiest thing to do might be the following: Open the message. Then, even if you have no speech, use the control a command. Then copy what is selected to the clipboard in the usual control c way. Close the message and get speech back. Open Notepad and paste into it. Is the text there? It shouldn’t have anything in it that would interfere with your screen-reader
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
I’m pretty sure there is text in the mail though. The only way I can get either screen reader to start reading is to press the alt plus f4 to close out the entire email program.
Janet
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Loy
Could it be that it is an image and no text? Does JAWS start speaking if you close that email?
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Re: Help With Windows Mail Please!
John Holcomb II
I’ve never used thunderbird. Is it more responsive than outlook? I’ve got a very old Surface Pro PC with 4GB of ram and 64 GB of storage running a third gen I5 processor that I’ve tried outlook on.. Outlook is a bit sluggage on that with Jaws. Manageable but sluggage. The mail app while not sluggage the only problem I have with it is that when I hit enter to open a message and read it, once I hit escape it always brings me to the navigation bar. Then I have to shift tab to get to the message list. Plus outlook has a spellcheck. Its only that particular pc that has problems with outlook mainly because of the ram I think. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:20 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
The mail app is real buggy, if you are say using jaws, it usually crashes either the mail app or jaws. I noticed lately, it is doing the same thing with NVDA. I have not used narrator to see if it happens too using that screenreader. I would advise you to use thunder bird or outlook if you have it. The mail app also seems to lose messages out right. But if you want to use the mail app, can I suggest you check your mail with 2 programs so if you lose messages in the mail app, they will still be there with the other program. I routinely check mail with 2 programs incase one crashes or loses messages. It does happen and glad I check with 2 programs. I have outlook, thunder bird and I use the mail app mainly for one of my accounts. But, I have been using thunderbird with outlook. Cant decide which one I like the best. Heather
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
It sounds as though something in the message is stopping your screen-reader from speaking. You might try a different screen-reader to see if it speaks when the message is opened. You might try Narrator, but someone else would have to tell you how to run it and try to read in the message with it if you don’t know. I don’t have Windows 10 and I know very little about Narrator.
Something else you can try is forwarding the message to someone like me or someone else and see if they can read it. If they can, they can probably copy and paste the text into a new message and send it to you. That might solve the problem, especially if they only paste text and nothing else in the message. There would be no code from the original message to cause problems.
Since we don’t know what the problem is, you might want to forward it to someone who doesn’t use your e-mail program. I use Windows Live Mail. other people you know may well use other programs than you are using.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
Gene, After I open the message, sometimes I hear a message saying reading pane, but most of the time, I don’t hear anything. When I use the title bar, I don’t hear anything, no matter which key I press, I don’t hear anything.
Janet
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
I’m not sure what the problem is. Does your screen-reader speak when the message is opened at all? For example, when you read the title bar, is that spoken? I’m trying to figure out if the screen-reader isn’t speaking or if it isn’t reading any text in the message.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
Hi Gene, Ok, I just opened the message, selected all the text, copied, closed mail, copied to clip board, copied in note pad, I still heard nothing. I didn’t have this problem reading this particular email when I was using Windows Seven though, this just started happening as I have to use Windows Ten Laptop, or Windows Mail. Not sure why or if that might have anything to do with it though.
Janet
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
There may be some code in the message that causes your screen[-reader not to speak when you are in the window. the easiest thing to do might be the following: Open the message. Then, even if you have no speech, use the control a command. Then copy what is selected to the clipboard in the usual control c way. Close the message and get speech back. Open Notepad and paste into it. Is the text there? It shouldn’t have anything in it that would interfere with your screen-reader
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help With Windows Mail Please!
I’m pretty sure there is text in the mail though. The only way I can get either screen reader to start reading is to press the alt plus f4 to close out the entire email program.
Janet
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Loy
Could it be that it is an image and no text? Does JAWS start speaking if you close that email?
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