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Re: Windows 11 Question Please.
Marilyn and Don Bilderback
Hello,
I have been using a wireless keyboard, and there is also a mouse for my husband, for 16 years. They have served us well for all this time.
One question though. When does a keyboard become outdated or incompatible with the tower or screen? Is there a rule of thumb about replacing the keyboard besides condition or looks or just because you want to?
Marilyn
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 8:43 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
Hi Janet,
I’ve been using a wireless keyboard and mouse for a couple of hears. They ar very reliable. The battery in them seems to last a very long time. I mean probably a year or 2 at least. It’s not like you have to put in new or recharged batteries every month or so. Also, most printers and scanners now come with the wireless option. A wireless keyboard and mouse may cost 20 or 30 u s dollars and up.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Hi, Yes, now that is what I’m thinking about, as that should limit several wires. I’m just not for sure how reliable the wireless is though.
Janet
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From: Monte Single
Hi Janet, you can buy wireless keyboards, mice, speakers, printers and scanner and speakers which cost little more than the wired ones. You can likely get rid of all the computer cables except the power cord.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Hi John, Thank you so much for this. I don’t want an old processor though. I am seeing just how expensive Windows 11 is. Maybe because Windows 11 is new. But, if I could at least get Windows ten, and use that for a couple years, and then download Windows 11 on the Windows ten, but that doesn’t look like it’s going to happen right now, and I want a desktop now, as I just can’t stand this Laptop
Janet
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From: John Holcomb II
Well, So is that the highest you can go in price? Or are you willing to make a cut somewhere. The nearest to what you wanted I could find was 16GB of ram , 512GB SSD, but the processor is pretty old by now a 6th generation core I7. It’d run Windows 10 for 5 years just fine but Windows 11 you’d be out of luck. Its $649 on Best Buy and the next one up is higher than your price bracit. It is for sure not an all-in one but is an SFF. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Hi John, I would like ram I16, One tera SSD. Built in speakers. A full size keyboard with a application key.
Janet
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From: John Holcomb II
I can find you Windows 11 stuff for $699 on Best Buy Easily. How mucn a RAM and SSD space do you want? Thanks, John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Gene, and that isn’t even including the taxes. I would love not to have the tower. As far as the miniaturization, I’m fine with that, as all that comes with the computer is the monitor and the keyboard. Best Buy said if need be, they work on these computers the same way as if the computer had a tower. Although, the keyboard didn’t have a application key, as it had a FN key on each side of the space bar. I asked them what happened to the application key, they said they never heard of an application key on any keyboard. I know there is another way to use the application if the keyboard didn’t have one, but I don’t remember what that is. They didn’t have any Windows 11 for $699 , other than some Windows ten with very little ram, I just can’t see myself paying that much! LOL! I do have my keyboard from Windows 7, but I still can’t stand that Laptop,
Janet
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From: Gene
How important is no tower? I haven’t seen the kind of computer you are discussing, but I’ve seen brief discussions of them off and on. Based on what you say, you may be paying a lot for miniaturization.
Also, I hope others discuss repair, if it becomes necessary. Is it practical to repair such machines?
I would think that, on sale, you could get a machine for six hundred dollars, perhaps less that would meet your needs. Do you actually want two computers or do you want a desktop since you no longer have one? If you get an external keyboard, you can operate your laptop as though it were a desktop.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:00 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
HI Everyone, Well, since my Windows 7 stopped working. I am wanting to buy a new desktop computer, as I hate laptops. I was at Best Buy yesterday, so I thought as long as I am here, I decided to look at the new Windows 11. I saw one I really liked, but I didn’t like the price in which was 13 hundred dollars! LOL! The main thing about this computer I really did like is it had no tower, the hard drive, ram, fan, just everything that is in the tower, is in the monitor, and the monitor isn’t all that big. It also didn’t have a cd drive tray, but I’m not for sure I would need that anyway. So, my question is has anyone seen these new computers like this, and if so, can you please share your thoughts?
Thank you in advance.
Janet
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Re: Windows 11 Question Please.
Monte Single
Hi Janet,
I’ve been using a wireless keyboard and mouse for a couple of hears. They ar very reliable. The battery in them seems to last a very long time. I mean probably a year or 2 at least. It’s not like you have to put in new or recharged batteries every month or so. Also, most printers and scanners now come with the wireless option. A wireless keyboard and mouse may cost 20 or 30 u s dollars and up.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: November 11, 2021 9:03 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
Hi, Yes, now that is what I’m thinking about, as that should limit several wires. I’m just not for sure how reliable the wireless is though.
Janet
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From: Monte Single
Hi Janet, you can buy wireless keyboards, mice, speakers, printers and scanner and speakers which cost little more than the wired ones. You can likely get rid of all the computer cables except the power cord.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Hi John, Thank you so much for this. I don’t want an old processor though. I am seeing just how expensive Windows 11 is. Maybe because Windows 11 is new. But, if I could at least get Windows ten, and use that for a couple years, and then download Windows 11 on the Windows ten, but that doesn’t look like it’s going to happen right now, and I want a desktop now, as I just can’t stand this Laptop
Janet
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From: John Holcomb II
Well, So is that the highest you can go in price? Or are you willing to make a cut somewhere. The nearest to what you wanted I could find was 16GB of ram , 512GB SSD, but the processor is pretty old by now a 6th generation core I7. It’d run Windows 10 for 5 years just fine but Windows 11 you’d be out of luck. Its $649 on Best Buy and the next one up is higher than your price bracit. It is for sure not an all-in one but is an SFF. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Hi John, I would like ram I16, One tera SSD. Built in speakers. A full size keyboard with a application key.
Janet
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From: John Holcomb II
I can find you Windows 11 stuff for $699 on Best Buy Easily. How mucn a RAM and SSD space do you want? Thanks, John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Gene, and that isn’t even including the taxes. I would love not to have the tower. As far as the miniaturization, I’m fine with that, as all that comes with the computer is the monitor and the keyboard. Best Buy said if need be, they work on these computers the same way as if the computer had a tower. Although, the keyboard didn’t have a application key, as it had a FN key on each side of the space bar. I asked them what happened to the application key, they said they never heard of an application key on any keyboard. I know there is another way to use the application if the keyboard didn’t have one, but I don’t remember what that is. They didn’t have any Windows 11 for $699 , other than some Windows ten with very little ram, I just can’t see myself paying that much! LOL! I do have my keyboard from Windows 7, but I still can’t stand that Laptop,
Janet
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From: Gene
How important is no tower? I haven’t seen the kind of computer you are discussing, but I’ve seen brief discussions of them off and on. Based on what you say, you may be paying a lot for miniaturization.
Also, I hope others discuss repair, if it becomes necessary. Is it practical to repair such machines?
I would think that, on sale, you could get a machine for six hundred dollars, perhaps less that would meet your needs. Do you actually want two computers or do you want a desktop since you no longer have one? If you get an external keyboard, you can operate your laptop as though it were a desktop.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:00 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
HI Everyone, Well, since my Windows 7 stopped working. I am wanting to buy a new desktop computer, as I hate laptops. I was at Best Buy yesterday, so I thought as long as I am here, I decided to look at the new Windows 11. I saw one I really liked, but I didn’t like the price in which was 13 hundred dollars! LOL! The main thing about this computer I really did like is it had no tower, the hard drive, ram, fan, just everything that is in the tower, is in the monitor, and the monitor isn’t all that big. It also didn’t have a cd drive tray, but I’m not for sure I would need that anyway. So, my question is has anyone seen these new computers like this, and if so, can you please share your thoughts?
Thank you in advance.
Janet
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Re: Windows 11 Question Please.
Gene
The computer may be underpowered or there may be something wrong with
it. Whether you buy another laptop or not, there are a lot of laptops that
perform very well.
I don’t know whether some of your problems are that you don’t like the
keyboard and some may be that the computer is underpowered. There is no
reason, from a performance standpoint, leaving aside the keyboard, that a laptop
needs to be slow and a lot aren’t.
Gene
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From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question
Please. John, I hate the Laptop because I have to pound the hell out of the keys in order to get to type. The Laptop is so sluggish and slow, and this is rather I’m using NVDA or JAWS. I bought this Laptop in Jan of this year, and it is just to dang slow, it drives me crazy. Although, I will keep it even after I get a desktop just for a backup. Chances of me ever buying another Laptop are very slim! LOL! But I am used to using a desktop, so I’m not sure if that is why I am having a very difficult time with this dang thing.
Janet
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From: John Holcomb
II
Why do you hate the laptop so much? Also its called an All-in-one. You can find Windows 11 towers on Bestbuy.com and other places. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Gene, I couldn’t find any desktops for Windows Ten other than ram being only I3, and I don’t want that. I’m not for sure if all the Windows 11 machines are not going to have the towers anymore, but Wow, that sure is nice. I think if it needed to be worked on, it wouldn’t be that difficult to take it to Best Buy. I even asked at Best Buy yesterday if they could take a look at my Windows 7, and they said they don’t go to the house to repair computers anymore, and that people will need to bring the computer in for repair. I can’t stand using this Laptop in which I just bought last Jan of this year.
Janet
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From: Gene
How important is no tower? I haven’t seen the kind of computer you are discussing, but I’ve seen brief discussions of them off and on. Based on what you say, you may be paying a lot for miniaturization.
Also, I hope others discuss repair, if it becomes necessary. Is it practical to repair such machines?
I would think that, on sale, you could get a machine for six hundred dollars, perhaps less that would meet your needs. Do you actually want two computers or do you want a desktop since you no longer have one? If you get an external keyboard, you can operate your laptop as though it were a desktop.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:00 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
HI Everyone, Well, since my Windows 7 stopped working. I am wanting to buy a new desktop computer, as I hate laptops. I was at Best Buy yesterday, so I thought as long as I am here, I decided to look at the new Windows 11. I saw one I really liked, but I didn’t like the price in which was 13 hundred dollars! LOL! The main thing about this computer I really did like is it had no tower, the hard drive, ram, fan, just everything that is in the tower, is in the monitor, and the monitor isn’t all that big. It also didn’t have a cd drive tray, but I’m not for sure I would need that anyway. So, my question is has anyone seen these new computers like this, and if so, can you please share your thoughts?
Thank you in advance.
Janet
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Re: Windows 11 Question Please.
Gene
On thinking about the article, it came from 2015. I would imagine
that advances in computer power has allowed good performing computers to be made
in this way but I still think you pay a lot more for comparable
performance.
Gene
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From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question
Please. Gene, Thank you for the article, as I did learn something from it.
Janet
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From: Gene
I’m not sure I agree with all the arguments in the article but I think that, overall, you aren’t getting your money’s worth. I suspect you will be spending perhaps two or three hundred dollars more for a machine that is no better.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gene Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
There will be lots of Windows 11 machines with towers. Machines without towers have been around for many years but my concern is that you may be paying a lot of money for the miniaturization so you will get a much more expensive machine that is no more powerful.
This article makes powerful arguments against buying an all in one computer.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gene via groups.io Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
I wasn’t discussing Windows 10. I was asking if you particularly want a machine such as you are describing. It may be, though others will have to comment, that you are paying a lot more for the same power of machine because you are getting one without a tower, since the parts may be very miniaturized.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
Gene, I couldn’t find any desktops for Windows Ten other than ram being only I3, and I don’t want that. I’m not for sure if all the Windows 11 machines are not going to have the towers anymore, but Wow, that sure is nice. I think if it needed to be worked on, it wouldn’t be that difficult to take it to Best Buy. I even asked at Best Buy yesterday if they could take a look at my Windows 7, and they said they don’t go to the house to repair computers anymore, and that people will need to bring the computer in for repair. I can’t stand using this Laptop in which I just bought last Jan of this year.
Janet
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From: Gene
How important is no tower? I haven’t seen the kind of computer you are discussing, but I’ve seen brief discussions of them off and on. Based on what you say, you may be paying a lot for miniaturization.
Also, I hope others discuss repair, if it becomes necessary. Is it practical to repair such machines?
I would think that, on sale, you could get a machine for six hundred dollars, perhaps less that would meet your needs. Do you actually want two computers or do you want a desktop since you no longer have one? If you get an external keyboard, you can operate your laptop as though it were a desktop.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:00 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
HI Everyone, Well, since my Windows 7 stopped working. I am wanting to buy a new desktop computer, as I hate laptops. I was at Best Buy yesterday, so I thought as long as I am here, I decided to look at the new Windows 11. I saw one I really liked, but I didn’t like the price in which was 13 hundred dollars! LOL! The main thing about this computer I really did like is it had no tower, the hard drive, ram, fan, just everything that is in the tower, is in the monitor, and the monitor isn’t all that big. It also didn’t have a cd drive tray, but I’m not for sure I would need that anyway. So, my question is has anyone seen these new computers like this, and if so, can you please share your thoughts?
Thank you in advance.
Janet
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Re: Windows 11 Question Please.
Gene
Wireless components are reliable. A lot of people use them.
When it comes to keyboards, I would get recommendations here because I’m not
sure if all wireless keyboards are compatible with screen-reader commands.
Gene
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From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question
Please. Hi, Yes, now that is what I’m thinking about, as that should limit several wires. I’m just not for sure how reliable the wireless is though.
Janet
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From: Monte
Single
Hi Janet, you can buy wireless keyboards, mice, speakers, printers and scanner and speakers which cost little more than the wired ones. You can likely get rid of all the computer cables except the power cord.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Hi John, Thank you so much for this. I don’t want an old processor though. I am seeing just how expensive Windows 11 is. Maybe because Windows 11 is new. But, if I could at least get Windows ten, and use that for a couple years, and then download Windows 11 on the Windows ten, but that doesn’t look like it’s going to happen right now, and I want a desktop now, as I just can’t stand this Laptop
Janet
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From: John Holcomb
II
Well, So is that the highest you can go in price? Or are you willing to make a cut somewhere. The nearest to what you wanted I could find was 16GB of ram , 512GB SSD, but the processor is pretty old by now a 6th generation core I7. It’d run Windows 10 for 5 years just fine but Windows 11 you’d be out of luck. Its $649 on Best Buy and the next one up is higher than your price bracit. It is for sure not an all-in one but is an SFF. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Janet
Hi John, I would like ram I16, One tera SSD. Built in speakers. A full size keyboard with a application key.
Janet
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From: John Holcomb
II
I can find you Windows 11 stuff for $699 on Best Buy Easily. How mucn a RAM and SSD space do you want? Thanks, John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Janet
Gene, and that isn’t even including the taxes. I would love not to have the tower. As far as the miniaturization, I’m fine with that, as all that comes with the computer is the monitor and the keyboard. Best Buy said if need be, they work on these computers the same way as if the computer had a tower. Although, the keyboard didn’t have a application key, as it had a FN key on each side of the space bar. I asked them what happened to the application key, they said they never heard of an application key on any keyboard. I know there is another way to use the application if the keyboard didn’t have one, but I don’t remember what that is. They didn’t have any Windows 11 for $699 , other than some Windows ten with very little ram, I just can’t see myself paying that much! LOL! I do have my keyboard from Windows 7, but I still can’t stand that Laptop,
Janet
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From: Gene
How important is no tower? I haven’t seen the kind of computer you are discussing, but I’ve seen brief discussions of them off and on. Based on what you say, you may be paying a lot for miniaturization.
Also, I hope others discuss repair, if it becomes necessary. Is it practical to repair such machines?
I would think that, on sale, you could get a machine for six hundred dollars, perhaps less that would meet your needs. Do you actually want two computers or do you want a desktop since you no longer have one? If you get an external keyboard, you can operate your laptop as though it were a desktop.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:00 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
HI Everyone, Well, since my Windows 7 stopped working. I am wanting to buy a new desktop computer, as I hate laptops. I was at Best Buy yesterday, so I thought as long as I am here, I decided to look at the new Windows 11. I saw one I really liked, but I didn’t like the price in which was 13 hundred dollars! LOL! The main thing about this computer I really did like is it had no tower, the hard drive, ram, fan, just everything that is in the tower, is in the monitor, and the monitor isn’t all that big. It also didn’t have a cd drive tray, but I’m not for sure I would need that anyway. So, my question is has anyone seen these new computers like this, and if so, can you please share your thoughts?
Thank you in advance.
Janet
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Re: Windows 11 Question Please.
Janet
Gene, I will get in touch with Kevin who Mike gave me his email address. I do want to get rid of all these wires. I can use a Bluetooth wireless keyboard, wireless speakers, etc, but I have to keep the wires for Magic Jack phone though. I am just sick to death of all these wires just hanging every where.
Janet
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From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 8:03 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
I'm not sure what Janet's maximum price is. It sounds, however, as though she is interested in a computer offered by the person Mike recommended.
Whomever she buys from, I think we should be able to solve the problems she is worried about by discussing wireless components.
Gene On 11/11/2021 7:51 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
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Re: Windows 11 Question Please.
Janet
Hi, Yes, now that is what I’m thinking about, as that should limit several wires. I’m just not for sure how reliable the wireless is though.
Janet
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From: Monte Single
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 8:21 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
Hi Janet, you can buy wireless keyboards, mice, speakers, printers and scanner and speakers which cost little more than the wired ones. You can likely get rid of all the computer cables except the power cord.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Janet
Hi John, Thank you so much for this. I don’t want an old processor though. I am seeing just how expensive Windows 11 is. Maybe because Windows 11 is new. But, if I could at least get Windows ten, and use that for a couple years, and then download Windows 11 on the Windows ten, but that doesn’t look like it’s going to happen right now, and I want a desktop now, as I just can’t stand this Laptop
Janet
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From: John Holcomb II
Well, So is that the highest you can go in price? Or are you willing to make a cut somewhere. The nearest to what you wanted I could find was 16GB of ram , 512GB SSD, but the processor is pretty old by now a 6th generation core I7. It’d run Windows 10 for 5 years just fine but Windows 11 you’d be out of luck. Its $649 on Best Buy and the next one up is higher than your price bracit. It is for sure not an all-in one but is an SFF. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Janet
Hi John, I would like ram I16, One tera SSD. Built in speakers. A full size keyboard with a application key.
Janet
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From: John Holcomb II
I can find you Windows 11 stuff for $699 on Best Buy Easily. How mucn a RAM and SSD space do you want? Thanks, John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Janet
Gene, and that isn’t even including the taxes. I would love not to have the tower. As far as the miniaturization, I’m fine with that, as all that comes with the computer is the monitor and the keyboard. Best Buy said if need be, they work on these computers the same way as if the computer had a tower. Although, the keyboard didn’t have a application key, as it had a FN key on each side of the space bar. I asked them what happened to the application key, they said they never heard of an application key on any keyboard. I know there is another way to use the application if the keyboard didn’t have one, but I don’t remember what that is. They didn’t have any Windows 11 for $699 , other than some Windows ten with very little ram, I just can’t see myself paying that much! LOL! I do have my keyboard from Windows 7, but I still can’t stand that Laptop,
Janet
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From: Gene
How important is no tower? I haven’t seen the kind of computer you are discussing, but I’ve seen brief discussions of them off and on. Based on what you say, you may be paying a lot for miniaturization.
Also, I hope others discuss repair, if it becomes necessary. Is it practical to repair such machines?
I would think that, on sale, you could get a machine for six hundred dollars, perhaps less that would meet your needs. Do you actually want two computers or do you want a desktop since you no longer have one? If you get an external keyboard, you can operate your laptop as though it were a desktop.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:00 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
HI Everyone, Well, since my Windows 7 stopped working. I am wanting to buy a new desktop computer, as I hate laptops. I was at Best Buy yesterday, so I thought as long as I am here, I decided to look at the new Windows 11. I saw one I really liked, but I didn’t like the price in which was 13 hundred dollars! LOL! The main thing about this computer I really did like is it had no tower, the hard drive, ram, fan, just everything that is in the tower, is in the monitor, and the monitor isn’t all that big. It also didn’t have a cd drive tray, but I’m not for sure I would need that anyway. So, my question is has anyone seen these new computers like this, and if so, can you please share your thoughts?
Thank you in advance.
Janet
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Re: Windows 11 Question Please.
Monte Single
Janet, One best buy store is not a true sample of what is available. Keep looking. If you get bored or disappointed, take a break. You will find what you want at the price you can afford.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: November 11, 2021 8:25 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
Hi Monte, I don’t care about a monitor, but if I need work done on the pc, sighted people need that. I will keep my small monitor though as well as my keyboard, even though I think the keyboard will just give out as well, as it is starting to make some strange sounds when I press certain keys. I liked the Dell all in one just for the simple fact, I wouldn’t have all those wires hanging. I can’t find a half way good pc for the price you are saying, or maybe I should say, not for what I want on the pc. When I was at Best Buy store, that is all that they had except one HP, and that was all in one as well, and the same price.
Janet
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From: Monte Single
The unit you looket at yesterday is called an all in one. You pay more for these devices. If you are a blind user, why do you need a new monitor. There are lots of new win11 ready machines out there for six to seven hundred U S dollars Pick any popular brand name and you will find several options. Hust make sure the p c can run win11, even if it does come with win10. There are lots of choices. 1300 u s dollars is totally out of line for a basic win11 computer. From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
HI Everyone, Well, since my Windows 7 stopped working. I am wanting to buy a new desktop computer, as I hate laptops. I was at Best Buy yesterday, so I thought as long as I am here, I decided to look at the new Windows 11. I saw one I really liked, but I didn’t like the price in which was 13 hundred dollars! LOL! The main thing about this computer I really did like is it had no tower, the hard drive, ram, fan, just everything that is in the tower, is in the monitor, and the monitor isn’t all that big. It also didn’t have a cd drive tray, but I’m not for sure I would need that anyway. So, my question is has anyone seen these new computers like this, and if so, can you please share your thoughts?
Thank you in advance.
Janet
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Re: Windows 11 Question Please.
Monte Single
When I could still se, 8 years ago, the application or context key on many keyboards, did not have any words or letters on it. Instead, there was usually an image of a page with a f few lines indicating text, maybe..
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: November 11, 2021 8:28 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
John, Ok, I can understand what you are saying about they might not even know about the application key, but isn’t there something on the application key so they would know what it is?
Janet
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From: John Holcomb II
I can picture someone never hearing of that.
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Re: Windows 11 Question Please.
Janet
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:45 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
I’m not sure I agree with all the arguments in the article but I think that, overall, you aren’t getting your money’s worth. I suspect you will be spending perhaps two or three hundred dollars more for a machine that is no better.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gene Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
There will be lots of Windows 11 machines with towers. Machines without towers have been around for many years but my concern is that you may be paying a lot of money for the miniaturization so you will get a much more expensive machine that is no more powerful.
This article makes powerful arguments against buying an all in one computer.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gene via groups.io Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
I wasn’t discussing Windows 10. I was asking if you particularly want a machine such as you are describing. It may be, though others will have to comment, that you are paying a lot more for the same power of machine because you are getting one without a tower, since the parts may be very miniaturized.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
Gene, I couldn’t find any desktops for Windows Ten other than ram being only I3, and I don’t want that. I’m not for sure if all the Windows 11 machines are not going to have the towers anymore, but Wow, that sure is nice. I think if it needed to be worked on, it wouldn’t be that difficult to take it to Best Buy. I even asked at Best Buy yesterday if they could take a look at my Windows 7, and they said they don’t go to the house to repair computers anymore, and that people will need to bring the computer in for repair. I can’t stand using this Laptop in which I just bought last Jan of this year.
Janet
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From: Gene
How important is no tower? I haven’t seen the kind of computer you are discussing, but I’ve seen brief discussions of them off and on. Based on what you say, you may be paying a lot for miniaturization.
Also, I hope others discuss repair, if it becomes necessary. Is it practical to repair such machines?
I would think that, on sale, you could get a machine for six hundred dollars, perhaps less that would meet your needs. Do you actually want two computers or do you want a desktop since you no longer have one? If you get an external keyboard, you can operate your laptop as though it were a desktop.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:00 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
HI Everyone, Well, since my Windows 7 stopped working. I am wanting to buy a new desktop computer, as I hate laptops. I was at Best Buy yesterday, so I thought as long as I am here, I decided to look at the new Windows 11. I saw one I really liked, but I didn’t like the price in which was 13 hundred dollars! LOL! The main thing about this computer I really did like is it had no tower, the hard drive, ram, fan, just everything that is in the tower, is in the monitor, and the monitor isn’t all that big. It also didn’t have a cd drive tray, but I’m not for sure I would need that anyway. So, my question is has anyone seen these new computers like this, and if so, can you please share your thoughts?
Thank you in advance.
Janet
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Janet
John, I hate the Laptop because I have to pound the hell out of the keys in order to get to type. The Laptop is so sluggish and slow, and this is rather I’m using NVDA or JAWS. I bought this Laptop in Jan of this year, and it is just to dang slow, it drives me crazy. Although, I will keep it even after I get a desktop just for a backup. Chances of me ever buying another Laptop are very slim! LOL! But I am used to using a desktop, so I’m not sure if that is why I am having a very difficult time with this dang thing.
Janet
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From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 4:00 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
Why do you hate the laptop so much? Also its called an All-in-one. You can find Windows 11 towers on Bestbuy.com and other places. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Janet
Gene, I couldn’t find any desktops for Windows Ten other than ram being only I3, and I don’t want that. I’m not for sure if all the Windows 11 machines are not going to have the towers anymore, but Wow, that sure is nice. I think if it needed to be worked on, it wouldn’t be that difficult to take it to Best Buy. I even asked at Best Buy yesterday if they could take a look at my Windows 7, and they said they don’t go to the house to repair computers anymore, and that people will need to bring the computer in for repair. I can’t stand using this Laptop in which I just bought last Jan of this year.
Janet
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From: Gene
How important is no tower? I haven’t seen the kind of computer you are discussing, but I’ve seen brief discussions of them off and on. Based on what you say, you may be paying a lot for miniaturization.
Also, I hope others discuss repair, if it becomes necessary. Is it practical to repair such machines?
I would think that, on sale, you could get a machine for six hundred dollars, perhaps less that would meet your needs. Do you actually want two computers or do you want a desktop since you no longer have one? If you get an external keyboard, you can operate your laptop as though it were a desktop.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:00 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
HI Everyone, Well, since my Windows 7 stopped working. I am wanting to buy a new desktop computer, as I hate laptops. I was at Best Buy yesterday, so I thought as long as I am here, I decided to look at the new Windows 11. I saw one I really liked, but I didn’t like the price in which was 13 hundred dollars! LOL! The main thing about this computer I really did like is it had no tower, the hard drive, ram, fan, just everything that is in the tower, is in the monitor, and the monitor isn’t all that big. It also didn’t have a cd drive tray, but I’m not for sure I would need that anyway. So, my question is has anyone seen these new computers like this, and if so, can you please share your thoughts?
Thank you in advance.
Janet
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Monte Single
I surely did mean 600 u s dollars! And not sixty!
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: November 11, 2021 8:00 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
I agree with Mike B here. Kevin has great deals on used or very new laptops and desktops, even mini pcs. Over the last few weeks, he has been advertising some units that are win11 ready for around 60 u s dollars.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Yes, the dude has upgrades available at very low prices as well. SSD's are defintely the way to go! I've purchased several computers from this guy, his name is kevin, and his upgrade prices are much better than buying drives from Amazon or wherever and he doesn't charge hardly anything to swap them out or make other upgrades. He has the parts like RAM and hardrives, both spinning or SSD's, in stock. But, it's necessary not to assume that he always will have computers in stock , but to check with him to see what he has or if you can have him order something for you when you're in the market.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Holcomb II Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
I was thinking of an SSD for her . Not a spinning drive. Really you can tell the difference. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Hi Janet,
Get ahold of the dude below. He has great deals on computers and the 1 below is a sample. But, contact him to see what he currently has available. They're not brand new, but close to it. Another one just in!!
Stay safe & take care. Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 1:00 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
HI Everyone, Well, since my Windows 7 stopped working. I am wanting to buy a new desktop computer, as I hate laptops. I was at Best Buy yesterday, so I thought as long as I am here, I decided to look at the new Windows 11. I saw one I really liked, but I didn’t like the price in which was 13 hundred dollars! LOL! The main thing about this computer I really did like is it had no tower, the hard drive, ram, fan, just everything that is in the tower, is in the monitor, and the monitor isn’t all that big. It also didn’t have a cd drive tray, but I’m not for sure I would need that anyway. So, my question is has anyone seen these new computers like this, and if so, can you please share your thoughts?
Thank you in advance.
Janet
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Monte Single
I don’t know how Kevin from blindads has such affordable products, but I suspect he gets a lot of his inventory from buisnesses that have upgraded.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: November 11, 2021 7:33 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
I’d love to know how he does that. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Yes, the dude has upgrades available at very low prices as well. SSD's are defintely the way to go! I've purchased several computers from this guy, his name is kevin, and his upgrade prices are much better than buying drives from Amazon or wherever and he doesn't charge hardly anything to swap them out or make other upgrades. He has the parts like RAM and hardrives, both spinning or SSD's, in stock. But, it's necessary not to assume that he always will have computers in stock , but to check with him to see what he has or if you can have him order something for you when you're in the market.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Holcomb II Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
I was thinking of an SSD for her . Not a spinning drive. Really you can tell the difference. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Hi Janet,
Get ahold of the dude below. He has great deals on computers and the 1 below is a sample. But, contact him to see what he currently has available. They're not brand new, but close to it. Another one just in!!
Stay safe & take care. Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 1:00 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
HI Everyone, Well, since my Windows 7 stopped working. I am wanting to buy a new desktop computer, as I hate laptops. I was at Best Buy yesterday, so I thought as long as I am here, I decided to look at the new Windows 11. I saw one I really liked, but I didn’t like the price in which was 13 hundred dollars! LOL! The main thing about this computer I really did like is it had no tower, the hard drive, ram, fan, just everything that is in the tower, is in the monitor, and the monitor isn’t all that big. It also didn’t have a cd drive tray, but I’m not for sure I would need that anyway. So, my question is has anyone seen these new computers like this, and if so, can you please share your thoughts?
Thank you in advance.
Janet
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Loy
I remember that there is a symbol of a menu
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Janet
Hi Carolyn, Thank you for this. I can’t imagine someone not knowing what an application key is on a keyboard either, as I’ve never heard of that before until today. But then again, that is in the sighted world, in which I haven’t been in that world for awhile now. So I guess the sale’s person as well as the geek, as well as myself, we learned something from each other today! Smile!
Janet
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From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 4:25 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
If no Application Key, press Shift+F10, that is, if you have
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John Holcomb II
I can’t find anything on Best Buy with the specs you’re after for the price you are after. Unless you are willing to pay over time … John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 9:34 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
John, That is what I said in the beginning about the price. I did and still like the all in one, but now that I read the article Gene sent to the list, so after reading that article, I don’t want the all in one, but I still need a PC though. As far as the Processor, I would want an AMD.
Janet
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From: John Holcomb II
You’re not getting built in speakers unless you go with an All in one. Are you telling me you’d really like an all in one? I don’t know if you’re gonna get what you’re after for $699.
You want 16G of ram, are you willing to go with AMD for your processor or are you intel all the way? John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Hi John, I would like ram I16, One tera SSD. Built in speakers. A full size keyboard with a application key.
Janet
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From: John Holcomb II
I can find you Windows 11 stuff for $699 on Best Buy Easily. How mucn a RAM and SSD space do you want? Thanks, John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Gene, and that isn’t even including the taxes. I would love not to have the tower. As far as the miniaturization, I’m fine with that, as all that comes with the computer is the monitor and the keyboard. Best Buy said if need be, they work on these computers the same way as if the computer had a tower. Although, the keyboard didn’t have a application key, as it had a FN key on each side of the space bar. I asked them what happened to the application key, they said they never heard of an application key on any keyboard. I know there is another way to use the application if the keyboard didn’t have one, but I don’t remember what that is. They didn’t have any Windows 11 for $699 , other than some Windows ten with very little ram, I just can’t see myself paying that much! LOL! I do have my keyboard from Windows 7, but I still can’t stand that Laptop,
Janet
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From: Gene
How important is no tower? I haven’t seen the kind of computer you are discussing, but I’ve seen brief discussions of them off and on. Based on what you say, you may be paying a lot for miniaturization.
Also, I hope others discuss repair, if it becomes necessary. Is it practical to repair such machines?
I would think that, on sale, you could get a machine for six hundred dollars, perhaps less that would meet your needs. Do you actually want two computers or do you want a desktop since you no longer have one? If you get an external keyboard, you can operate your laptop as though it were a desktop.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:00 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
HI Everyone, Well, since my Windows 7 stopped working. I am wanting to buy a new desktop computer, as I hate laptops. I was at Best Buy yesterday, so I thought as long as I am here, I decided to look at the new Windows 11. I saw one I really liked, but I didn’t like the price in which was 13 hundred dollars! LOL! The main thing about this computer I really did like is it had no tower, the hard drive, ram, fan, just everything that is in the tower, is in the monitor, and the monitor isn’t all that big. It also didn’t have a cd drive tray, but I’m not for sure I would need that anyway. So, my question is has anyone seen these new computers like this, and if so, can you please share your thoughts?
Thank you in advance.
Janet
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Loy
It is also known as the menu key.
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Janet
John, That is what I said in the beginning about the price. I did and still like the all in one, but now that I read the article Gene sent to the list, so after reading that article, I don’t want the all in one, but I still need a PC though. As far as the Processor, I would want an AMD.
Janet
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From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 4:36 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
You’re not getting built in speakers unless you go with an All in one. Are you telling me you’d really like an all in one? I don’t know if you’re gonna get what you’re after for $699.
You want 16G of ram, are you willing to go with AMD for your processor or are you intel all the way? John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Janet
Hi John, I would like ram I16, One tera SSD. Built in speakers. A full size keyboard with a application key.
Janet
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From: John Holcomb II
I can find you Windows 11 stuff for $699 on Best Buy Easily. How mucn a RAM and SSD space do you want? Thanks, John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Janet
Gene, and that isn’t even including the taxes. I would love not to have the tower. As far as the miniaturization, I’m fine with that, as all that comes with the computer is the monitor and the keyboard. Best Buy said if need be, they work on these computers the same way as if the computer had a tower. Although, the keyboard didn’t have a application key, as it had a FN key on each side of the space bar. I asked them what happened to the application key, they said they never heard of an application key on any keyboard. I know there is another way to use the application if the keyboard didn’t have one, but I don’t remember what that is. They didn’t have any Windows 11 for $699 , other than some Windows ten with very little ram, I just can’t see myself paying that much! LOL! I do have my keyboard from Windows 7, but I still can’t stand that Laptop,
Janet
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From: Gene
How important is no tower? I haven’t seen the kind of computer you are discussing, but I’ve seen brief discussions of them off and on. Based on what you say, you may be paying a lot for miniaturization.
Also, I hope others discuss repair, if it becomes necessary. Is it practical to repair such machines?
I would think that, on sale, you could get a machine for six hundred dollars, perhaps less that would meet your needs. Do you actually want two computers or do you want a desktop since you no longer have one? If you get an external keyboard, you can operate your laptop as though it were a desktop.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 3:00 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
HI Everyone, Well, since my Windows 7 stopped working. I am wanting to buy a new desktop computer, as I hate laptops. I was at Best Buy yesterday, so I thought as long as I am here, I decided to look at the new Windows 11. I saw one I really liked, but I didn’t like the price in which was 13 hundred dollars! LOL! The main thing about this computer I really did like is it had no tower, the hard drive, ram, fan, just everything that is in the tower, is in the monitor, and the monitor isn’t all that big. It also didn’t have a cd drive tray, but I’m not for sure I would need that anyway. So, my question is has anyone seen these new computers like this, and if so, can you please share your thoughts?
Thank you in advance.
Janet
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John Holcomb II
Possibly… What does the simble look like on that key? They might know it by that. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 9:28 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
John, Ok, I can understand what you are saying about they might not even know about the application key, but isn’t there something on the application key so they would know what it is?
Janet
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From: John Holcomb II
I can picture someone never hearing of that.
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Monte Single
Hi Janet, a very large per centage of all the sound cards on laptops and desktops these days is on-board or built-in Realtech audio. Yes, realtech is the brand name. If for some reason, you are nolt happy with the sound on your new device, you can buy a usb sound card for anywhere from 10 to a couple hundred dollars. Some of them are as small as a thumb drive. And they have poorts to plug in speakers and microphones.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: November 11, 2021 7:53 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 11 Question Please.
Hi Gerald, I did ask the sale’s person, but because he didn’t have any idea what I was talking about, I asked him if he would please ask one of the Geek Squad people if I could talk to him. The Geek didn’t have any idea either, as he also told me he never heard of an application key on a keyboard. Matter of fact, I also asked the sale’s person as well as the Geek, what is the or what kind of sound card is on that computer, and they both responded by saying they don’t know, and no one has ever asked them about the sound card before.
Janet
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From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
If the Best Buy store where you plan to buy your new computer has a Geek Squad desk, ask one of their technicians your questions instead of a sales clerk, most of whom don't know computers from kumquats. And if the new keyboard lacks an applications key, you can still use the keyboard from your old Windows 7 desktop instead, as long as it works.
Gerald
On 11/11/2021 5:49 PM, Janet wrote:
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