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Re: [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

Keith S
 


of course, there could also be the issue of when people upgraded from win 7  to win 8 or windows xp to windows ME.  Seems like there is always a  so called bad version between the so called good versions.  wonder what makes the programmers and department heads at MS decide, "okay, this sin't working, lets ditch it and start from scratch with a new version"?
 
Keith

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

Well, problems are in all new operating systems. the accessibility issues are not excluded from this list.

 

However, regardless of the cons against the operating system. What are the pros?

This is my concern. Not the problems because eventually these problems are going to be fix. What are going to be the advantages that could convince users to install Windows 11?

This is like the last IO’s updates. No much new. The same thing just a few appearance changes on the surface.

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

And have they tried different configs from different computers?

I’d think by now the pitch forks would be out if there were really this many problems across the  board.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 11:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

Advice from a user I believe is technically knowledgeable enough to say this on another list is to wait three months after a new full release of Windows such as Windows 11 comes out.  That’s to avoid bugs which haven’t been worked out yet and because there may be areas in which screen-readers don’t work as well for a time.  Of course, if people want to have the latest and are willing to put up with potential problems, that’s up to them but I think that is good advice, and I’ve seen similar advice over the years, for people who want to use Windows for getting things done reliably and dependablly and who want to upgrade but who aren’t particularly experimenters and who can wait to get the newest thing. 

 

Aside from that, I don’t know anything about the organization who wrote the message but they are generalizing in a manner which appears to be unjustified and makes me suspicious about their reliability.  I’m not saying these things don’t happen and they may happen enough to be a problem, but if they are happening, as the message strongly implies to everyone, then why have many people upgraded on lists like this and we haven’t heard much of anything about these problems?  and why didn;’t we hear anything during beta testing on this list? 

 

In short, I consider the message to be cautionary, you may have such problems but not as any sort of proof about how likely it is that you will. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Ron Canazzi

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 8:46 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

Hi Group,

I am using NVDA 2021.2 and I don't experience most of these problems. I am using the latest version of Microsoft Word from the 365 package and I do notice some sluggishness, but not as is described in this message from the Jaws-Users list.

The only major difference is that on my system--which is an HP desktop, I must click on the show hidden items chevron button and then use left/right arrow keys to highlight individual items on the system tray. This feature has effectively broken the NVDA add-on for syst tray list. 

On 12/3/2021 7:51 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:

 



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

[jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

Date:

Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:39:10 -0500

From:

Jane Carona mailto:jane.e.carona@...

Reply-To:

jfw-users@groups.io

To:

jfw-users@groups.io

 

Hi everyone,

I hope it’s okay to forward the following message which I received regarding switching to Windows 11.  I know several of you have done so, but this message is so negative about Windows 11, I really want opinions as to whether it’s okay to upgrade or not.  Here’s the message I received:

 

The IT Department at Blind Industries and Services of Maryland distributed the following information:

I thought everyone should know about this.

 

We have been finding that there is a massive problem with accessibility in Windows 11. Anyone using a screen-reader in Word, for instance, will find that very often, the system is slowed so badly it is nearly crippled; this does not affect people without screen-readers, as far as we've been able to determine. There are also a great many things broken that have caused screen-reader accessibility to seriously decrease. At this stage, Microsoft are showing few or no signs that they intend to fix the situation. Some of you may be offered the chance to upgrade by your home computers, depending on how new they are (the system can't be run on an older one), and we very strongly suggest, at this point, that you refrain from trying it. In some instances, it can render the system nearly unusable. It has also been known to cause video drivers to stop working, which means that nothing will appear on the screen, and it can also cause screen-readers to refuse to start up if you are even one version out of date. We also know that the alt-tab keystroke has been broken, and we suspect that a lot of other problems have been incorporated into Windows 11 as well. Having experienced crashes and mishaps getting the system up and running ourselves, we are only just experimenting with it and do not believe we've found all the problems.

 

In the event that you would like to try an experiment at home, you absolutely must update your screen-reader fully before doing so. If you fail to do that, it probably won't load, leaving you without speech. Using Narrator to attempt to update any other screen-reader will be slow and might not work. The system has, overall, taken a rather nasty hit in the speed department that all of you, as screen-reader users, will notice in particular, and a lot of programs work erratically at best. Finally, if you do opt to try this update, we suggest that you do not try it on a computer you depend on for work or important personal tasks. Downgrading will be difficult or impossible. Again, those of you in Rehab may wish to let all your students know, and note that if you have a choice when buying a new computer, try not to purchase it with Windows 11.

 

 



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Re: windows 7/often folder list looks blank till I maximize the folder's window

Gene
 

Yes, I meant alt space bar.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 7/often folder list looks blank till I maximize the folder's window
 
Shouldn't that be, "alt spacebar"?
 
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 7/often folder list looks blank till I maximize the folder's window
 
I don’t know what is causing the problem and I’m not sure you are really maximizing the window when you think you are.  When you use alt enter, then x to maximize a folder, close Windows Explorer, then open any folder again, and issue alt enter again, do you hear restore unavailabgle if you let all speech be spoken or do you just hear restore?  If you just hear restore, that means the folder is already maximized.  If I maximize a folder, close Windows Explorer, and open a folder, it is maximized. Maximizing one folder causes all folders to be displayed as maximized until I restore a folder. 
 
Your daughter’s statement makes sense regarding the behavior I’ve seen,  When trouble shooting in such a case, test by listening to full announcements when opening folders.  Don’t assume what is occurring.  That’s a good idea in any case where you are testing to see if a change is retained. 
 
Also, I don’t know if your e-mail program causes things to remain maximized or not after you maximize one instance of something.  But given what you are reporting, I suspect the problem is not whether the window is maximized and I suspect that turning off and on the virtual pc cursor is not necessary.  In all these cases, simply leaving the main window or the whole window and returning may be causing JAWS to read content.  Test this by trying the following:
When you open an e-mail, if nothing is read, press alt to go into the menu or ribbonss.  Press alt again to leave the menus or ribbon and return to the window where you were.  Can you read content then?  Do the same test after you open a folder.  If this allows you to hear content, you should be able to cause content to be read by opening something and pressing alt twice very quickly.  The procedure should be very fast. You should be able to press alt, then immediately after pressing it again.  
 
If that causes material to be read, then your choice is to do this annoying but quick and easy procedure repeatedly or to try to solve the problem.  I have no idea what the problem is.  You could uninstall and reinstall JAWS to see if that solves it.  If it doesn’t, you may have to reinstall Windows or do some sort of repair.  I don’t know enough about that subject to discuss those options further, but it is my understanding that a repair option is available that often is effective at correcting problems without the work and time of reinstalling Windows. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 8:07 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 7/often folder list looks blank till I maximize the folder's window
 
This even happens a lot in emails too, where opening an email shows blank. To bring the email's contents up I have to either maximize with alt space together and then the letter X; or I have to turn off and then on the Jaws virtual cursor.
 
So that's the email situation and it can be annoying. But it seems to be worse every day, this problem of going to a folder and then, upon opening, seeing nothing till I maximize. Lots of folders do this--the my computer folder, songs, etc. My daughter told me the other day that my screen looked big, which is hard to believe since when I open folders the contents must be too little to see. I don't know what is going on, but am very open to any thoughts. I'm sure the computer and Windows should probably be revamped somehow, and this just seems to be happening way too often.
 
Thanks.
 


Re: windows 7/often folder list looks blank till I maximize the folder's window

Richard Justice
 


Shouldn't that be, "alt spacebar"?
 
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 7/often folder list looks blank till I maximize the folder's window

I don’t know what is causing the problem and I’m not sure you are really maximizing the window when you think you are.  When you use alt enter, then x to maximize a folder, close Windows Explorer, then open any folder again, and issue alt enter again, do you hear restore unavailabgle if you let all speech be spoken or do you just hear restore?  If you just hear restore, that means the folder is already maximized.  If I maximize a folder, close Windows Explorer, and open a folder, it is maximized. Maximizing one folder causes all folders to be displayed as maximized until I restore a folder. 
 
Your daughter’s statement makes sense regarding the behavior I’ve seen,  When trouble shooting in such a case, test by listening to full announcements when opening folders.  Don’t assume what is occurring.  That’s a good idea in any case where you are testing to see if a change is retained. 
 
Also, I don’t know if your e-mail program causes things to remain maximized or not after you maximize one instance of something.  But given what you are reporting, I suspect the problem is not whether the window is maximized and I suspect that turning off and on the virtual pc cursor is not necessary.  In all these cases, simply leaving the main window or the whole window and returning may be causing JAWS to read content.  Test this by trying the following:
When you open an e-mail, if nothing is read, press alt to go into the menu or ribbonss.  Press alt again to leave the menus or ribbon and return to the window where you were.  Can you read content then?  Do the same test after you open a folder.  If this allows you to hear content, you should be able to cause content to be read by opening something and pressing alt twice very quickly.  The procedure should be very fast. You should be able to press alt, then immediately after pressing it again.  
 
If that causes material to be read, then your choice is to do this annoying but quick and easy procedure repeatedly or to try to solve the problem.  I have no idea what the problem is.  You could uninstall and reinstall JAWS to see if that solves it.  If it doesn’t, you may have to reinstall Windows or do some sort of repair.  I don’t know enough about that subject to discuss those options further, but it is my understanding that a repair option is available that often is effective at correcting problems without the work and time of reinstalling Windows. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 8:07 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 7/often folder list looks blank till I maximize the folder's window
 
This even happens a lot in emails too, where opening an email shows blank. To bring the email's contents up I have to either maximize with alt space together and then the letter X; or I have to turn off and then on the Jaws virtual cursor.
 
So that's the email situation and it can be annoying. But it seems to be worse every day, this problem of going to a folder and then, upon opening, seeing nothing till I maximize. Lots of folders do this--the my computer folder, songs, etc. My daughter told me the other day that my screen looked big, which is hard to believe since when I open folders the contents must be too little to see. I don't know what is going on, but am very open to any thoughts. I'm sure the computer and Windows should probably be revamped somehow, and this just seems to be happening way too often.
 
Thanks.
 


Re: Seeking Smoother Braille Book Reading Experience

Joe Orozco
 

Thing is, I don't know that my experience was a whole lot better using
even the Mantis Q40. It's frustrating, because I don't know whether to
blame the translation software in these displays or the way the
material is formatted at the source level. But, I'm also more than
willing to accept it is a me problem. In fact, I would love to learn
it's me so that I can adjust whatever settings need adjusting at my
end. Thanks for commiserating.--Joe

On 12/3/21, Victor <victorelawrence@...> wrote:
This is a good question! No matter what kind of material we are reading, I
think all of us want a Braille reading experience that is the closest to
reading from a sheet of braille paper. I work in radio broadcasting and I
want a smooth braille reading experience as well. I am currently using the
first generation of the Focus 40 braille display. I like it, but my braille
reading experience is somewhat broken as well. I think there are some
braille displays that scroll the braille automatically when you set the
scrolling speed. I think that would be a nice feature to have. It might make
the reading experience someone smoother.

I hope others will comment on this particular question.

Blessings,

Victor
On Dec 3, 2021, at 5:13 PM, Joe Orozco <jsoro824@...> wrote:

If you’re using a Braille display to read books from either Bookshare
or BARD, what kind of display are you using, and what kind of
formatting settings are you using? I’m trying to read an NLS book, Web
Braille, and the text is rather broken regardless of the reading view
I’ve set on the Braille Sense U2. I want to say it’s a HIMS product
issue, but I’m not sure my experience was much better on the Mantis.
By broken, I mean the text does not span the length of the 32-cell
display. Also, the translation leaves extraneous text visible, making
for a dysfunctional reading experience. Any ideas from my fellow
electronic Braille readers?

Joe


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Re: Seeking Smoother Braille Book Reading Experience

Victor
 

This is a good question! No matter what kind of material we are reading, I think all of us want a Braille reading experience that is the closest to reading from a sheet of braille paper. I work in radio broadcasting and I want a smooth braille reading experience as well. I am currently using the first generation of the Focus 40 braille display. I like it, but my braille reading experience is somewhat broken as well. I think there are some braille displays that scroll the braille automatically when you set the scrolling speed. I think that would be a nice feature to have. It might make the reading experience someone smoother.

I hope others will comment on this particular question.

Blessings,

Victor

On Dec 3, 2021, at 5:13 PM, Joe Orozco <jsoro824@...> wrote:

If you’re using a Braille display to read books from either Bookshare
or BARD, what kind of display are you using, and what kind of
formatting settings are you using? I’m trying to read an NLS book, Web
Braille, and the text is rather broken regardless of the reading view
I’ve set on the Braille Sense U2. I want to say it’s a HIMS product
issue, but I’m not sure my experience was much better on the Mantis.
By broken, I mean the text does not span the length of the 32-cell
display. Also, the translation leaves extraneous text visible, making
for a dysfunctional reading experience. Any ideas from my fellow
electronic Braille readers?

Joe


--
Joe Orozco: Your Message, My Mission
https://joeorozco.com/services/





Seeking Smoother Braille Book Reading Experience

Joe Orozco
 

If you’re using a Braille display to read books from either Bookshare
or BARD, what kind of display are you using, and what kind of
formatting settings are you using? I’m trying to read an NLS book, Web
Braille, and the text is rather broken regardless of the reading view
I’ve set on the Braille Sense U2. I want to say it’s a HIMS product
issue, but I’m not sure my experience was much better on the Mantis.
By broken, I mean the text does not span the length of the 32-cell
display. Also, the translation leaves extraneous text visible, making
for a dysfunctional reading experience. Any ideas from my fellow
electronic Braille readers?

Joe


--
Joe Orozco: Your Message, My Mission
https://joeorozco.com/services/


Re: NVDA email list?

Gene
 

There is a large NVDA users’ list which you can read about here.
 
You will see a subscribe address given in the discussion.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 6:52 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA email list?
 
Hello,
 
Is there a list specifically focused on use of the NVDA screen reader?
 
I have not been able to afford upgrades to JFW and have resorted to using Microsoft's narrator and will begin using NVDA has my primary screen reader as soon as I learn the ins and outs of it.
 
Thank you to all who respond.
 
 
Regards,
 
Keith


NVDA email list?

Keith S
 

Hello,
 
Is there a list specifically focused on use of the NVDA screen reader?
 
I have not been able to afford upgrades to JFW and have resorted to using Microsoft's narrator and will begin using NVDA has my primary screen reader as soon as I learn the ins and outs of it.
 
Thank you to all who respond.
 
 
Regards,
 
Keith


Re: [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

John Holcomb II
 

Lol Gene, you always  forget to include the link.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 7:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

I forgot to include the link:

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 6:03 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

Well, problems are in all new operating systems. the accessibility issues are not excluded from this list.

 

However, regardless of the cons against the operating system. What are the pros?

This is my concern. Not the problems because eventually these problems are going to be fix. What are going to be the advantages that could convince users to install Windows 11?

This is like the last IO’s updates. No much new. The same thing just a few appearance changes on the surface.

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

And have they tried different configs from different computers?

I’d think by now the pitch forks would be out if there were really this many problems across the  board.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 11:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

Advice from a user I believe is technically knowledgeable enough to say this on another list is to wait three months after a new full release of Windows such as Windows 11 comes out.  That’s to avoid bugs which haven’t been worked out yet and because there may be areas in which screen-readers don’t work as well for a time.  Of course, if people want to have the latest and are willing to put up with potential problems, that’s up to them but I think that is good advice, and I’ve seen similar advice over the years, for people who want to use Windows for getting things done reliably and dependablly and who want to upgrade but who aren’t particularly experimenters and who can wait to get the newest thing. 

 

Aside from that, I don’t know anything about the organization who wrote the message but they are generalizing in a manner which appears to be unjustified and makes me suspicious about their reliability.  I’m not saying these things don’t happen and they may happen enough to be a problem, but if they are happening, as the message strongly implies to everyone, then why have many people upgraded on lists like this and we haven’t heard much of anything about these problems?  and why didn;’t we hear anything during beta testing on this list? 

 

In short, I consider the message to be cautionary, you may have such problems but not as any sort of proof about how likely it is that you will. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 8:46 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

Hi Group,

I am using NVDA 2021.2 and I don't experience most of these problems. I am using the latest version of Microsoft Word from the 365 package and I do notice some sluggishness, but not as is described in this message from the Jaws-Users list.

The only major difference is that on my system--which is an HP desktop, I must click on the show hidden items chevron button and then use left/right arrow keys to highlight individual items on the system tray. This feature has effectively broken the NVDA add-on for syst tray list. 

On 12/3/2021 7:51 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:

 



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

[jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

Date:

Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:39:10 -0500

From:

Jane Carona mailto:jane.e.carona@...

Reply-To:

jfw-users@groups.io

To:

jfw-users@groups.io

 

Hi everyone,

I hope it’s okay to forward the following message which I received regarding switching to Windows 11.  I know several of you have done so, but this message is so negative about Windows 11, I really want opinions as to whether it’s okay to upgrade or not.  Here’s the message I received:

 

The IT Department at Blind Industries and Services of Maryland distributed the following information:

I thought everyone should know about this.

 

We have been finding that there is a massive problem with accessibility in Windows 11. Anyone using a screen-reader in Word, for instance, will find that very often, the system is slowed so badly it is nearly crippled; this does not affect people without screen-readers, as far as we've been able to determine. There are also a great many things broken that have caused screen-reader accessibility to seriously decrease. At this stage, Microsoft are showing few or no signs that they intend to fix the situation. Some of you may be offered the chance to upgrade by your home computers, depending on how new they are (the system can't be run on an older one), and we very strongly suggest, at this point, that you refrain from trying it. In some instances, it can render the system nearly unusable. It has also been known to cause video drivers to stop working, which means that nothing will appear on the screen, and it can also cause screen-readers to refuse to start up if you are even one version out of date. We also know that the alt-tab keystroke has been broken, and we suspect that a lot of other problems have been incorporated into Windows 11 as well. Having experienced crashes and mishaps getting the system up and running ourselves, we are only just experimenting with it and do not believe we've found all the problems.

 

In the event that you would like to try an experiment at home, you absolutely must update your screen-reader fully before doing so. If you fail to do that, it probably won't load, leaving you without speech. Using Narrator to attempt to update any other screen-reader will be slow and might not work. The system has, overall, taken a rather nasty hit in the speed department that all of you, as screen-reader users, will notice in particular, and a lot of programs work erratically at best. Finally, if you do opt to try this update, we suggest that you do not try it on a computer you depend on for work or important personal tasks. Downgrading will be difficult or impossible. Again, those of you in Rehab may wish to let all your students know, and note that if you have a choice when buying a new computer, try not to purchase it with Windows 11.

 

 

 

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Re: [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

Gene
 

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!
 

Well, problems are in all new operating systems. the accessibility issues are not excluded from this list.

 

However, regardless of the cons against the operating system. What are the pros?

This is my concern. Not the problems because eventually these problems are going to be fix. What are going to be the advantages that could convince users to install Windows 11?

This is like the last IO’s updates. No much new. The same thing just a few appearance changes on the surface.

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

And have they tried different configs from different computers?

I’d think by now the pitch forks would be out if there were really this many problems across the  board.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 11:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

Advice from a user I believe is technically knowledgeable enough to say this on another list is to wait three months after a new full release of Windows such as Windows 11 comes out.  That’s to avoid bugs which haven’t been worked out yet and because there may be areas in which screen-readers don’t work as well for a time.  Of course, if people want to have the latest and are willing to put up with potential problems, that’s up to them but I think that is good advice, and I’ve seen similar advice over the years, for people who want to use Windows for getting things done reliably and dependablly and who want to upgrade but who aren’t particularly experimenters and who can wait to get the newest thing. 

 

Aside from that, I don’t know anything about the organization who wrote the message but they are generalizing in a manner which appears to be unjustified and makes me suspicious about their reliability.  I’m not saying these things don’t happen and they may happen enough to be a problem, but if they are happening, as the message strongly implies to everyone, then why have many people upgraded on lists like this and we haven’t heard much of anything about these problems?  and why didn;’t we hear anything during beta testing on this list? 

 

In short, I consider the message to be cautionary, you may have such problems but not as any sort of proof about how likely it is that you will. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Ron Canazzi

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 8:46 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

Hi Group,

I am using NVDA 2021.2 and I don't experience most of these problems. I am using the latest version of Microsoft Word from the 365 package and I do notice some sluggishness, but not as is described in this message from the Jaws-Users list.

The only major difference is that on my system--which is an HP desktop, I must click on the show hidden items chevron button and then use left/right arrow keys to highlight individual items on the system tray. This feature has effectively broken the NVDA add-on for syst tray list. 

On 12/3/2021 7:51 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:

 



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

[jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

Date:

Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:39:10 -0500

From:

Jane Carona mailto:jane.e.carona@...

Reply-To:

jfw-users@groups.io

To:

jfw-users@groups.io

 

Hi everyone,

I hope it’s okay to forward the following message which I received regarding switching to Windows 11.  I know several of you have done so, but this message is so negative about Windows 11, I really want opinions as to whether it’s okay to upgrade or not.  Here’s the message I received:

 

The IT Department at Blind Industries and Services of Maryland distributed the following information:

I thought everyone should know about this.

 

We have been finding that there is a massive problem with accessibility in Windows 11. Anyone using a screen-reader in Word, for instance, will find that very often, the system is slowed so badly it is nearly crippled; this does not affect people without screen-readers, as far as we've been able to determine. There are also a great many things broken that have caused screen-reader accessibility to seriously decrease. At this stage, Microsoft are showing few or no signs that they intend to fix the situation. Some of you may be offered the chance to upgrade by your home computers, depending on how new they are (the system can't be run on an older one), and we very strongly suggest, at this point, that you refrain from trying it. In some instances, it can render the system nearly unusable. It has also been known to cause video drivers to stop working, which means that nothing will appear on the screen, and it can also cause screen-readers to refuse to start up if you are even one version out of date. We also know that the alt-tab keystroke has been broken, and we suspect that a lot of other problems have been incorporated into Windows 11 as well. Having experienced crashes and mishaps getting the system up and running ourselves, we are only just experimenting with it and do not believe we've found all the problems.

 

In the event that you would like to try an experiment at home, you absolutely must update your screen-reader fully before doing so. If you fail to do that, it probably won't load, leaving you without speech. Using Narrator to attempt to update any other screen-reader will be slow and might not work. The system has, overall, taken a rather nasty hit in the speed department that all of you, as screen-reader users, will notice in particular, and a lot of programs work erratically at best. Finally, if you do opt to try this update, we suggest that you do not try it on a computer you depend on for work or important personal tasks. Downgrading will be difficult or impossible. Again, those of you in Rehab may wish to let all your students know, and note that if you have a choice when buying a new computer, try not to purchase it with Windows 11.

 

 



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Re: [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

Gene
 

Here is a review about Windows 11.  After reading it, my question is, how many changes are mainly for the conbvenience of sighted users and how many will have any impact that matters on blind users. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!
 

Well, problems are in all new operating systems. the accessibility issues are not excluded from this list.

 

However, regardless of the cons against the operating system. What are the pros?

This is my concern. Not the problems because eventually these problems are going to be fix. What are going to be the advantages that could convince users to install Windows 11?

This is like the last IO’s updates. No much new. The same thing just a few appearance changes on the surface.

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

And have they tried different configs from different computers?

I’d think by now the pitch forks would be out if there were really this many problems across the  board.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 11:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

Advice from a user I believe is technically knowledgeable enough to say this on another list is to wait three months after a new full release of Windows such as Windows 11 comes out.  That’s to avoid bugs which haven’t been worked out yet and because there may be areas in which screen-readers don’t work as well for a time.  Of course, if people want to have the latest and are willing to put up with potential problems, that’s up to them but I think that is good advice, and I’ve seen similar advice over the years, for people who want to use Windows for getting things done reliably and dependablly and who want to upgrade but who aren’t particularly experimenters and who can wait to get the newest thing. 

 

Aside from that, I don’t know anything about the organization who wrote the message but they are generalizing in a manner which appears to be unjustified and makes me suspicious about their reliability.  I’m not saying these things don’t happen and they may happen enough to be a problem, but if they are happening, as the message strongly implies to everyone, then why have many people upgraded on lists like this and we haven’t heard much of anything about these problems?  and why didn;’t we hear anything during beta testing on this list? 

 

In short, I consider the message to be cautionary, you may have such problems but not as any sort of proof about how likely it is that you will. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Ron Canazzi

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 8:46 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

Hi Group,

I am using NVDA 2021.2 and I don't experience most of these problems. I am using the latest version of Microsoft Word from the 365 package and I do notice some sluggishness, but not as is described in this message from the Jaws-Users list.

The only major difference is that on my system--which is an HP desktop, I must click on the show hidden items chevron button and then use left/right arrow keys to highlight individual items on the system tray. This feature has effectively broken the NVDA add-on for syst tray list. 

On 12/3/2021 7:51 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:

 



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

[jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

Date:

Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:39:10 -0500

From:

Jane Carona mailto:jane.e.carona@...

Reply-To:

jfw-users@groups.io

To:

jfw-users@groups.io

 

Hi everyone,

I hope it’s okay to forward the following message which I received regarding switching to Windows 11.  I know several of you have done so, but this message is so negative about Windows 11, I really want opinions as to whether it’s okay to upgrade or not.  Here’s the message I received:

 

The IT Department at Blind Industries and Services of Maryland distributed the following information:

I thought everyone should know about this.

 

We have been finding that there is a massive problem with accessibility in Windows 11. Anyone using a screen-reader in Word, for instance, will find that very often, the system is slowed so badly it is nearly crippled; this does not affect people without screen-readers, as far as we've been able to determine. There are also a great many things broken that have caused screen-reader accessibility to seriously decrease. At this stage, Microsoft are showing few or no signs that they intend to fix the situation. Some of you may be offered the chance to upgrade by your home computers, depending on how new they are (the system can't be run on an older one), and we very strongly suggest, at this point, that you refrain from trying it. In some instances, it can render the system nearly unusable. It has also been known to cause video drivers to stop working, which means that nothing will appear on the screen, and it can also cause screen-readers to refuse to start up if you are even one version out of date. We also know that the alt-tab keystroke has been broken, and we suspect that a lot of other problems have been incorporated into Windows 11 as well. Having experienced crashes and mishaps getting the system up and running ourselves, we are only just experimenting with it and do not believe we've found all the problems.

 

In the event that you would like to try an experiment at home, you absolutely must update your screen-reader fully before doing so. If you fail to do that, it probably won't load, leaving you without speech. Using Narrator to attempt to update any other screen-reader will be slow and might not work. The system has, overall, taken a rather nasty hit in the speed department that all of you, as screen-reader users, will notice in particular, and a lot of programs work erratically at best. Finally, if you do opt to try this update, we suggest that you do not try it on a computer you depend on for work or important personal tasks. Downgrading will be difficult or impossible. Again, those of you in Rehab may wish to let all your students know, and note that if you have a choice when buying a new computer, try not to purchase it with Windows 11.

 

 



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Re: chromebook

Thomas N. Chan
 

I really doubt the chromebook can be upgraded like normal laptop. like example, the asus I have seen, the ram is solder onto the board. there's no extra slot for you to upgrade.
its just a basic web browser computer, you can't even upgrade as its just doing what its design for, web browsing

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 at 06:37, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
Hi Dave. I have one. No you can't install windows. As for upgrading memory, not sure.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Mehler
Sent: November 28, 2021 5:45 PM
To: techtalk <techtalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] chromebook

Hello,

If anyone has a chromebook can you contact me? I've been given two of them to work on, and thinking they were standard laptops I was asked to install windows and upgrade the memory, from what I know I do not believe the first is possible and the second might be doable though not easily.

Thanks.
Dave.












Re: [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

Pablo Morales
 

Well, problems are in all new operating systems. the accessibility issues are not excluded from this list.

 

However, regardless of the cons against the operating system. What are the pros?

This is my concern. Not the problems because eventually these problems are going to be fix. What are going to be the advantages that could convince users to install Windows 11?

This is like the last IO’s updates. No much new. The same thing just a few appearance changes on the surface.

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

And have they tried different configs from different computers?

I’d think by now the pitch forks would be out if there were really this many problems across the  board.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 11:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

Advice from a user I believe is technically knowledgeable enough to say this on another list is to wait three months after a new full release of Windows such as Windows 11 comes out.  That’s to avoid bugs which haven’t been worked out yet and because there may be areas in which screen-readers don’t work as well for a time.  Of course, if people want to have the latest and are willing to put up with potential problems, that’s up to them but I think that is good advice, and I’ve seen similar advice over the years, for people who want to use Windows for getting things done reliably and dependablly and who want to upgrade but who aren’t particularly experimenters and who can wait to get the newest thing. 

 

Aside from that, I don’t know anything about the organization who wrote the message but they are generalizing in a manner which appears to be unjustified and makes me suspicious about their reliability.  I’m not saying these things don’t happen and they may happen enough to be a problem, but if they are happening, as the message strongly implies to everyone, then why have many people upgraded on lists like this and we haven’t heard much of anything about these problems?  and why didn;’t we hear anything during beta testing on this list? 

 

In short, I consider the message to be cautionary, you may have such problems but not as any sort of proof about how likely it is that you will. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 8:46 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

Hi Group,

I am using NVDA 2021.2 and I don't experience most of these problems. I am using the latest version of Microsoft Word from the 365 package and I do notice some sluggishness, but not as is described in this message from the Jaws-Users list.

The only major difference is that on my system--which is an HP desktop, I must click on the show hidden items chevron button and then use left/right arrow keys to highlight individual items on the system tray. This feature has effectively broken the NVDA add-on for syst tray list. 

On 12/3/2021 7:51 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:

 



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

[jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

Date:

Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:39:10 -0500

From:

Jane Carona mailto:jane.e.carona@...

Reply-To:

jfw-users@groups.io

To:

jfw-users@groups.io

 

Hi everyone,

I hope it’s okay to forward the following message which I received regarding switching to Windows 11.  I know several of you have done so, but this message is so negative about Windows 11, I really want opinions as to whether it’s okay to upgrade or not.  Here’s the message I received:

 

The IT Department at Blind Industries and Services of Maryland distributed the following information:

I thought everyone should know about this.

 

We have been finding that there is a massive problem with accessibility in Windows 11. Anyone using a screen-reader in Word, for instance, will find that very often, the system is slowed so badly it is nearly crippled; this does not affect people without screen-readers, as far as we've been able to determine. There are also a great many things broken that have caused screen-reader accessibility to seriously decrease. At this stage, Microsoft are showing few or no signs that they intend to fix the situation. Some of you may be offered the chance to upgrade by your home computers, depending on how new they are (the system can't be run on an older one), and we very strongly suggest, at this point, that you refrain from trying it. In some instances, it can render the system nearly unusable. It has also been known to cause video drivers to stop working, which means that nothing will appear on the screen, and it can also cause screen-readers to refuse to start up if you are even one version out of date. We also know that the alt-tab keystroke has been broken, and we suspect that a lot of other problems have been incorporated into Windows 11 as well. Having experienced crashes and mishaps getting the system up and running ourselves, we are only just experimenting with it and do not believe we've found all the problems.

 

In the event that you would like to try an experiment at home, you absolutely must update your screen-reader fully before doing so. If you fail to do that, it probably won't load, leaving you without speech. Using Narrator to attempt to update any other screen-reader will be slow and might not work. The system has, overall, taken a rather nasty hit in the speed department that all of you, as screen-reader users, will notice in particular, and a lot of programs work erratically at best. Finally, if you do opt to try this update, we suggest that you do not try it on a computer you depend on for work or important personal tasks. Downgrading will be difficult or impossible. Again, those of you in Rehab may wish to let all your students know, and note that if you have a choice when buying a new computer, try not to purchase it with Windows 11.

 

 



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Re: [Tec Talk] sending messages on iPhone s e

Thomas N. Chan
 

You can get quite a bit from amazon.

On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 at 17:51, Marda <marda.pianist@...> wrote:

I saw a recent promotion from apple for it for $399.  but I don't know how long that lasted or if it's still on.  Maybe there will be some holiday deals.

Marda

On 12/2/2021 3:43 AM, chris judge wrote:

Hi Monte.

 

You should be happy with that phone. I bought my girlfriend one last year for Christmas and she loves it. I believe I paid around $550 for it at the apple store at the time.

 

Chris Judge

JAWS
                  Certified, 2021

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marda
Sent: December 1, 2021 5:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [Tec Talk] sending messages on iPhone s e

 

I got my SE as a gift but I have seen no contract promotions for them for as low as around $150 in the US.  But I know without a deal they cost more.

Marda

On 12/1/2021 3:31 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Hi Jim,  I live in Canada where things are generally more expensive than in the U S.

I got the phone with a 2 year contract of about 12 dollars a month  on top of my monthly charges,  so that would be about 300  u s dollars over 2 years.

I could have purchased the phone from apple Canada but that would have cost  over 400 u s dollars.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: December 1, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [Tec Talk] sending messages on iPhone s e

 

What was the cost of your iPhone            please? Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 10:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] sending messages on iphone s e

 

It is definitely all the phone I need.

!!First thing I did was to slip the silicone case off  my I phone 7  aand onto the SE; perfect fit.

 

I was going to go for a plastic screen protector,   but the “wonderful”  dealer I was at sold me a glass one because “they didn’t have  any plastic ones”.

Score 1 for the grinders.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: December 1, 2021 12:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io; 0holly feyk <feyk7@...>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] sending messages on iphone s e

 

Monte:

 

Glad all is working for you.  I love my SE

 

2020.


Re: [Tec Talk] can you roll back the latest update from my iPhone SE?

Thomas N. Chan
 

I am using the latest IOS and even one of my device is on the public beta. Its not slow as what you mentioned.

What I will suggest is, backup your data either through iCloud or even itune, then you factory reset.
Once the factory reset is done, restore your data.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 02:58, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:

Well, everything is very slow now. And sometimes  Serie can’t find a contact that I have, even though it is in the contact folder. Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can you roll back the latest update from my iPhone SE?

 

What is not working correctly?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: December 2, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] can you roll back the latest update from my iPhone SE?

 

Hi all, since the latest update, my apple SE hasn’t been working correctly. Is there anyway to fix this? Jim


Re: [Tec Talk] can you roll back the latest update from my iPhone SE?

Jim Rawls
 

Well, everything is very slow now. And sometimes  Serie can’t find a contact that I have, even though it is in the contact folder. Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can you roll back the latest update from my iPhone SE?

 

What is not working correctly?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: December 2, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] can you roll back the latest update from my iPhone SE?

 

Hi all, since the latest update, my apple SE hasn’t been working correctly. Is there anyway to fix this? Jim


Re: [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

John Holcomb II
 

And have they tried different configs from different computers?

I’d think by now the pitch forks would be out if there were really this many problems across the  board.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 11:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

Advice from a user I believe is technically knowledgeable enough to say this on another list is to wait three months after a new full release of Windows such as Windows 11 comes out.  That’s to avoid bugs which haven’t been worked out yet and because there may be areas in which screen-readers don’t work as well for a time.  Of course, if people want to have the latest and are willing to put up with potential problems, that’s up to them but I think that is good advice, and I’ve seen similar advice over the years, for people who want to use Windows for getting things done reliably and dependablly and who want to upgrade but who aren’t particularly experimenters and who can wait to get the newest thing. 

 

Aside from that, I don’t know anything about the organization who wrote the message but they are generalizing in a manner which appears to be unjustified and makes me suspicious about their reliability.  I’m not saying these things don’t happen and they may happen enough to be a problem, but if they are happening, as the message strongly implies to everyone, then why have many people upgraded on lists like this and we haven’t heard much of anything about these problems?  and why didn;’t we hear anything during beta testing on this list? 

 

In short, I consider the message to be cautionary, you may have such problems but not as any sort of proof about how likely it is that you will. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 8:46 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] [jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

 

Hi Group,

I am using NVDA 2021.2 and I don't experience most of these problems. I am using the latest version of Microsoft Word from the 365 package and I do notice some sluggishness, but not as is described in this message from the Jaws-Users list.

The only major difference is that on my system--which is an HP desktop, I must click on the show hidden items chevron button and then use left/right arrow keys to highlight individual items on the system tray. This feature has effectively broken the NVDA add-on for syst tray list. 

On 12/3/2021 7:51 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:

 



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

[jfw-users] FW: Avoid Switching to Windows 11 As Long as Possible!!

Date:

Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:39:10 -0500

From:

Jane Carona mailto:jane.e.carona@...

Reply-To:

jfw-users@groups.io

To:

jfw-users@groups.io

 

Hi everyone,

I hope it’s okay to forward the following message which I received regarding switching to Windows 11.  I know several of you have done so, but this message is so negative about Windows 11, I really want opinions as to whether it’s okay to upgrade or not.  Here’s the message I received:

 

The IT Department at Blind Industries and Services of Maryland distributed the following information:

I thought everyone should know about this.

 

We have been finding that there is a massive problem with accessibility in Windows 11. Anyone using a screen-reader in Word, for instance, will find that very often, the system is slowed so badly it is nearly crippled; this does not affect people without screen-readers, as far as we've been able to determine. There are also a great many things broken that have caused screen-reader accessibility to seriously decrease. At this stage, Microsoft are showing few or no signs that they intend to fix the situation. Some of you may be offered the chance to upgrade by your home computers, depending on how new they are (the system can't be run on an older one), and we very strongly suggest, at this point, that you refrain from trying it. In some instances, it can render the system nearly unusable. It has also been known to cause video drivers to stop working, which means that nothing will appear on the screen, and it can also cause screen-readers to refuse to start up if you are even one version out of date. We also know that the alt-tab keystroke has been broken, and we suspect that a lot of other problems have been incorporated into Windows 11 as well. Having experienced crashes and mishaps getting the system up and running ourselves, we are only just experimenting with it and do not believe we've found all the problems.

 

In the event that you would like to try an experiment at home, you absolutely must update your screen-reader fully before doing so. If you fail to do that, it probably won't load, leaving you without speech. Using Narrator to attempt to update any other screen-reader will be slow and might not work. The system has, overall, taken a rather nasty hit in the speed department that all of you, as screen-reader users, will notice in particular, and a lot of programs work erratically at best. Finally, if you do opt to try this update, we suggest that you do not try it on a computer you depend on for work or important personal tasks. Downgrading will be difficult or impossible. Again, those of you in Rehab may wish to let all your students know, and note that if you have a choice when buying a new computer, try not to purchase it with Windows 11.

 

 



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Re: windows 7/often folder list looks blank till I maximize the folder's window

Gene
 

I meant to write, do you hear restore unavailable.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] windows 7/often folder list looks blank till I maximize the folder's window
 
I don’t know what is causing the problem and I’m not sure you are really maximizing the window when you think you are.  When you use alt enter, then x to maximize a folder, close Windows Explorer, then open any folder again, and issue alt enter again, do you hear restore unavailabgle if you let all speech be spoken or do you just hear restore?  If you just hear restore, that means the folder is already maximized.  If I maximize a folder, close Windows Explorer, and open a folder, it is maximized. Maximizing one folder causes all folders to be displayed as maximized until I restore a folder. 
 
Your daughter’s statement makes sense regarding the behavior I’ve seen,  When trouble shooting in such a case, test by listening to full announcements when opening folders.  Don’t assume what is occurring.  That’s a good idea in any case where you are testing to see if a change is retained. 
 
Also, I don’t know if your e-mail program causes things to remain maximized or not after you maximize one instance of something.  But given what you are reporting, I suspect the problem is not whether the window is maximized and I suspect that turning off and on the virtual pc cursor is not necessary.  In all these cases, simply leaving the main window or the whole window and returning may be causing JAWS to read content.  Test this by trying the following:
When you open an e-mail, if nothing is read, press alt to go into the menu or ribbonss.  Press alt again to leave the menus or ribbon and return to the window where you were.  Can you read content then?  Do the same test after you open a folder.  If this allows you to hear content, you should be able to cause content to be read by opening something and pressing alt twice very quickly.  The procedure should be very fast. You should be able to press alt, then immediately after pressing it again.  
 
If that causes material to be read, then your choice is to do this annoying but quick and easy procedure repeatedly or to try to solve the problem.  I have no idea what the problem is.  You could uninstall and reinstall JAWS to see if that solves it.  If it doesn’t, you may have to reinstall Windows or do some sort of repair.  I don’t know enough about that subject to discuss those options further, but it is my understanding that a repair option is available that often is effective at correcting problems without the work and time of reinstalling Windows. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 8:07 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 7/often folder list looks blank till I maximize the folder's window
 
This even happens a lot in emails too, where opening an email shows blank. To bring the email's contents up I have to either maximize with alt space together and then the letter X; or I have to turn off and then on the Jaws virtual cursor.
 
So that's the email situation and it can be annoying. But it seems to be worse every day, this problem of going to a folder and then, upon opening, seeing nothing till I maximize. Lots of folders do this--the my computer folder, songs, etc. My daughter told me the other day that my screen looked big, which is hard to believe since when I open folders the contents must be too little to see. I don't know what is going on, but am very open to any thoughts. I'm sure the computer and Windows should probably be revamped somehow, and this just seems to be happening way too often.
 
Thanks.
 


Re: windows 7/often folder list looks blank till I maximize the folder's window

Gene
 

I don’t know what is causing the problem and I’m not sure you are really maximizing the window when you think you are.  When you use alt enter, then x to maximize a folder, close Windows Explorer, then open any folder again, and issue alt enter again, do you hear restore unavailabgle if you let all speech be spoken or do you just hear restore?  If you just hear restore, that means the folder is already maximized.  If I maximize a folder, close Windows Explorer, and open a folder, it is maximized. Maximizing one folder causes all folders to be displayed as maximized until I restore a folder. 
 
Your daughter’s statement makes sense regarding the behavior I’ve seen,  When trouble shooting in such a case, test by listening to full announcements when opening folders.  Don’t assume what is occurring.  That’s a good idea in any case where you are testing to see if a change is retained. 
 
Also, I don’t know if your e-mail program causes things to remain maximized or not after you maximize one instance of something.  But given what you are reporting, I suspect the problem is not whether the window is maximized and I suspect that turning off and on the virtual pc cursor is not necessary.  In all these cases, simply leaving the main window or the whole window and returning may be causing JAWS to read content.  Test this by trying the following:
When you open an e-mail, if nothing is read, press alt to go into the menu or ribbonss.  Press alt again to leave the menus or ribbon and return to the window where you were.  Can you read content then?  Do the same test after you open a folder.  If this allows you to hear content, you should be able to cause content to be read by opening something and pressing alt twice very quickly.  The procedure should be very fast. You should be able to press alt, then immediately after pressing it again.  
 
If that causes material to be read, then your choice is to do this annoying but quick and easy procedure repeatedly or to try to solve the problem.  I have no idea what the problem is.  You could uninstall and reinstall JAWS to see if that solves it.  If it doesn’t, you may have to reinstall Windows or do some sort of repair.  I don’t know enough about that subject to discuss those options further, but it is my understanding that a repair option is available that often is effective at correcting problems without the work and time of reinstalling Windows. 
 
Gene

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From: joanne
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 8:07 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] windows 7/often folder list looks blank till I maximize the folder's window
 
This even happens a lot in emails too, where opening an email shows blank. To bring the email's contents up I have to either maximize with alt space together and then the letter X; or I have to turn off and then on the Jaws virtual cursor.
 
So that's the email situation and it can be annoying. But it seems to be worse every day, this problem of going to a folder and then, upon opening, seeing nothing till I maximize. Lots of folders do this--the my computer folder, songs, etc. My daughter told me the other day that my screen looked big, which is hard to believe since when I open folders the contents must be too little to see. I don't know what is going on, but am very open to any thoughts. I'm sure the computer and Windows should probably be revamped somehow, and this just seems to be happening way too often.
 
Thanks.
 


Re: How to connect Victor Reader Stream to WiFi?

Peter Spitz
 

Thanks for the detailed instructions! It worked after I initially
typed in the wrong password. Thanks again.

On 12/3/21, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
Hi Peter.

Make sure you are on the online bookshelves mode. Do this by pressing the
round button above number 2 until you hear, online bookshelf. Next, press
the number 7 key once. You should be taken to the wireless menu. Arrow down
with the number 8 key to Scan for available networks. Press the confirm key
which is directly to the right of zero.
Next, arrow down until you hear your network name and press the confirm key.
You will be asked for your password. Enter it and press the confirm key. If
successful you will be asked to give the network a name, You can either name
it, or press confirm again to complete.

Hope this helps.
Chris Judge


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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter
Spitz
Sent: December 2, 2021 9:25 PM
To: main <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How to connect Victor Reader Stream to WiFi?

We got a new WiFi router today and I cannot figure out how to add the new
router to my Victor Stream. Any help is greatly appreciated.











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