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Re: Working with forms on my iPhone XR with IOS 15 Plus

Victor
 

Hi,

Sometimes you just have to swipe back and forth on your screen a couple of times to get VoiceOver to read everything to you.  That's just a quirk with VoiceOver.

Victor


On May 19, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Brian Tew <montanalag@...> wrote:

Double tap with onefinger when the itemisinfocus if you are using voiceover


Re: Can't install NvDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Could you please have a look in your %temp% folder (note the percent signs) and see if there are nvda.log and nvda_old.log files, and if so, could you please send them to me offlist to info@... please (mostly because the list blocks attachments, I'm happy to share what we work out here to help anyone else).

A couple other things to check:
- Try restarting the PC then trying again.
- Make sure you have write access to the account and to the folders

Quentin.

On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 8:58 AM Loy <loyrg2845@...> wrote:
I was running the 2021 version of NVDA and it was working . I decided to try the 2022 beta, It would not install. The music would start and stop. I then uninstalled the 2021 version and tried to install 2022 version again, still will not install. I then tried to go back to 2021 and it would not install. I also tried to run as administrator. This is on a Win11 computer. I have another Win 11 computer and NVDA 2022 installed with no problem. Any Idea what would prevent NVDA from installing.



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Can't install NvDA

Loy
 

I was running the 2021 version of NVDA and it was working . I decided to try the 2022 beta, It would not install. The music would start and stop. I then uninstalled the 2021 version and tried to install 2022 version again, still will not install. I then tried to go back to 2021 and it would not install. I also tried to run as administrator. This is on a Win11 computer. I have another Win 11 computer and NVDA 2022 installed with no problem. Any Idea what would prevent NVDA from installing.


Re: Working with forms on my iPhone XR with IOS 15 Plus

Brian Tew
 

Double tap with onefinger when the itemisinfocus if you are using voiceover


Re: Closing Programs

Howard Traxler
 

Found something:  This is an Asus computer and Asus has a utility that starts up at boot.  It changes the function keys into other controls.  For example f12 is next track, f11 play/pause, f10 is previous track. 1, 2, 3, and 4 do other thing, too.  I just don't know how to change them back.  I've tried to remove the Asus utility but I don't know if I was successful.  When I reboot, I'll find out.  But, I'm afraid to reboot; it's a real problem getting this thing to talk again.


Oh well, cross my fingers.


Howard

On 5/19/2022 11:37 AM, Howard Traxler via groups.io wrote:
My downstairs computer is an Asus M32CB desktop running Windows 10 and NVDA 2.1.3.3.  After doing a windows reset, one of the problems is, it does not close programs with alt F4.  It seems to just minimize them.  I found this by using alt tab to rotate through running programs; and whatever I was using is still running.  Only way I can actually close a program is to use the system menu (alt spacebar) then choose close.  Anyone know how to get it back to where alt F4 closes stuff?

Also, NVDA key plus F12 is now silent.  I used to like that command to get the time quickly.

Thanks anybody for your suggestions.

Howard




Re: Closing Programs

Gene
 

Until you solve the problem, you can easily close programs in the following way:
Issue the command alt space, that is, hold alt and press space while doing so.
You are in the system menu.  One of the items in the menu is close.  You can type c to active the close.
In summary, alt space bar, followed by c.

Gene

On 5/19/2022 2:03 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Exactly right!  That's why I'm asking how to make it happen.


On 5/19/2022 1:17 PM, Ashley Breger via groups.io wrote:
Normally alt F4 closes all programs.

Ashley Breger

On May 19, 2022, at 12:21 PM, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

 Thank you Gene; but, to my knowledge, there is no FN key on this keyboard.  Unless:  the windows logo/start key on the right side; apparently does nothing.  Maybe that's an FN key.  But I don't think an FN key says anything by itself.  Incidentally, this is a desktop machine with NVDA keyboard set to laptop.

Howard

On 5/19/2022 11:59 AM, Gene wrote:
Evidently, when you reset the computer, you set the fn key to the default so it is now on.  You may be able to turn it off with a software command which others may know.  If you hold the fn  key and then issue the time command, do you hear it?  How about holding it and closing a program?

Gene

On 5/19/2022 11:37 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
My downstairs computer is an Asus M32CB desktop running Windows 10 and NVDA 2.1.3.3.  After doing a windows reset, one of the problems is, it does not close programs with alt F4.  It seems to just minimize them.  I found this by using alt tab to rotate through running programs; and whatever I was using is still running.  Only way I can actually close a program is to use the system menu (alt spacebar) then choose close.  Anyone know how to get it back to where alt F4 closes stuff?

Also, NVDA key plus F12 is now silent.  I used to like that command to get the time quickly.

Thanks anybody for your suggestions.

Howard










Re: Closing Programs

Howard Traxler
 

Exactly right!  That's why I'm asking how to make it happen.


On 5/19/2022 1:17 PM, Ashley Breger via groups.io wrote:
Normally alt F4 closes all programs.

Ashley Breger

On May 19, 2022, at 12:21 PM, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

 Thank you Gene; but, to my knowledge, there is no FN key on this keyboard.  Unless:  the windows logo/start key on the right side; apparently does nothing.  Maybe that's an FN key.  But I don't think an FN key says anything by itself.  Incidentally, this is a desktop machine with NVDA keyboard set to laptop.

Howard

On 5/19/2022 11:59 AM, Gene wrote:
Evidently, when you reset the computer, you set the fn key to the default so it is now on.  You may be able to turn it off with a software command which others may know.  If you hold the fn  key and then issue the time command, do you hear it?  How about holding it and closing a program?

Gene

On 5/19/2022 11:37 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
My downstairs computer is an Asus M32CB desktop running Windows 10 and NVDA 2.1.3.3.  After doing a windows reset, one of the problems is, it does not close programs with alt F4.  It seems to just minimize them.  I found this by using alt tab to rotate through running programs; and whatever I was using is still running.  Only way I can actually close a program is to use the system menu (alt spacebar) then choose close.  Anyone know how to get it back to where alt F4 closes stuff?

Also, NVDA key plus F12 is now silent.  I used to like that command to get the time quickly.

Thanks anybody for your suggestions.

Howard









Re: Closing Programs

Gene
 

I don't know what the key on the right does.  I've heard of keys on the right such as you are discussing before that seem to do nothing on some keyboards. 

Gene

On 5/19/2022 12:22 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Thank you Gene; but, to my knowledge, there is no FN key on this keyboard.  Unless:  the windows logo/start key on the right side; apparently does nothing.  Maybe that's an FN key.  But I don't think an FN key says anything by itself.  Incidentally, this is a desktop machine with NVDA keyboard set to laptop.

Howard

On 5/19/2022 11:59 AM, Gene wrote:
Evidently, when you reset the computer, you set the fn key to the default so it is now on.  You may be able to turn it off with a software command which others may know.  If you hold the fn  key and then issue the time command, do you hear it?  How about holding it and closing a program?

Gene

On 5/19/2022 11:37 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
My downstairs computer is an Asus M32CB desktop running Windows 10 and NVDA 2.1.3.3.  After doing a windows reset, one of the problems is, it does not close programs with alt F4.  It seems to just minimize them.  I found this by using alt tab to rotate through running programs; and whatever I was using is still running.  Only way I can actually close a program is to use the system menu (alt spacebar) then choose close.  Anyone know how to get it back to where alt F4 closes stuff?

Also, NVDA key plus F12 is now silent.  I used to like that command to get the time quickly.

Thanks anybody for your suggestions.

Howard









Re: Closing Programs

Gene
 

I don't know what you are using as an NVDA key but if you are using numpad insert, the numlock  must bee off for the numpad insert to work as an NVDA key. 

Gene

On 5/19/2022 12:16 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Thank you Marilyn, On my working (upstairs) computer, my time command works whether the numlock is on or off.  What does NVDA plus 0 do?  I assume you mean 0 on the numbers row?  It does nothing here; and in the keyboard help it doesn't say it should do anything.

Howard
On 5/19/2022 11:55 AM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:
Hi Howard.
Every time I get my computer back from Data Doctors, the Insert and F 12 keys don't work.  I have to check the num pad to see if it is set to number lock off.  And also check another setting 0000by pressing insert zero. Not their fault because of my using key strokes to work my computer and after all, they are just checking everything to ensure all is OK.  But, it made me learn to check these things to make them work again. I was forced to memorize and recall what to do.

Maybe one of these key strokes will help you get the time back.  I rely on that for a clock myself.
Marilyn



-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 9:37 AM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Closing Programs

My downstairs computer is an Asus M32CB desktop running Windows 10 and NVDA 2.1.3.3.  After doing a windows reset, one of the problems is, it does not close programs with alt F4.  It seems to just minimize them.  I found this by using alt tab to rotate through running programs; and whatever I was using is still running.  Only way I can actually close a program is to use the system menu (alt spacebar) then choose close. Anyone know how to get it back to where alt F4 closes stuff?

Also, NVDA key plus F12 is now silent.  I used to like that command to get the time quickly.

Thanks anybody for your suggestions.

Howard
















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Re: Closing Programs

 

Normally alt F4 closes all programs.

Ashley Breger

On May 19, 2022, at 12:21 PM, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

 Thank you Gene; but, to my knowledge, there is no FN key on this keyboard.  Unless:  the windows logo/start key on the right side; apparently does nothing.  Maybe that's an FN key.  But I don't think an FN key says anything by itself.  Incidentally, this is a desktop machine with NVDA keyboard set to laptop.

Howard

On 5/19/2022 11:59 AM, Gene wrote:
Evidently, when you reset the computer, you set the fn key to the default so it is now on.  You may be able to turn it off with a software command which others may know.  If you hold the fn  key and then issue the time command, do you hear it?  How about holding it and closing a program?

Gene

On 5/19/2022 11:37 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
My downstairs computer is an Asus M32CB desktop running Windows 10 and NVDA 2.1.3.3.  After doing a windows reset, one of the problems is, it does not close programs with alt F4.  It seems to just minimize them.  I found this by using alt tab to rotate through running programs; and whatever I was using is still running.  Only way I can actually close a program is to use the system menu (alt spacebar) then choose close.  Anyone know how to get it back to where alt F4 closes stuff?

Also, NVDA key plus F12 is now silent.  I used to like that command to get the time quickly.

Thanks anybody for your suggestions.

Howard








Re: Closing Programs

Howard Traxler
 

Thank you Gene; but, to my knowledge, there is no FN key on this keyboard.  Unless:  the windows logo/start key on the right side; apparently does nothing.  Maybe that's an FN key.  But I don't think an FN key says anything by itself.  Incidentally, this is a desktop machine with NVDA keyboard set to laptop.

Howard

On 5/19/2022 11:59 AM, Gene wrote:
Evidently, when you reset the computer, you set the fn key to the default so it is now on.  You may be able to turn it off with a software command which others may know.  If you hold the fn  key and then issue the time command, do you hear it?  How about holding it and closing a program?

Gene

On 5/19/2022 11:37 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
My downstairs computer is an Asus M32CB desktop running Windows 10 and NVDA 2.1.3.3.  After doing a windows reset, one of the problems is, it does not close programs with alt F4.  It seems to just minimize them.  I found this by using alt tab to rotate through running programs; and whatever I was using is still running.  Only way I can actually close a program is to use the system menu (alt spacebar) then choose close.  Anyone know how to get it back to where alt F4 closes stuff?

Also, NVDA key plus F12 is now silent.  I used to like that command to get the time quickly.

Thanks anybody for your suggestions.

Howard








Re: Closing Programs

Howard Traxler
 

Thank you Marilyn, On my working (upstairs) computer, my time command works whether the numlock is on or off.  What does NVDA plus 0 do?  I assume you mean 0 on the numbers row?  It does nothing here; and in the keyboard help it doesn't say it should do anything.

Howard

On 5/19/2022 11:55 AM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:
Hi Howard.
Every time I get my computer back from Data Doctors, the Insert and F 12 keys don't work. I have to check the num pad to see if it is set to number lock off. And also check another setting by pressing insert zero. Not their fault because of my using key strokes to work my computer and after all, they are just checking everything to ensure all is OK. But, it made me learn to check these things to make them work again. I was forced to memorize and recall what to do.

Maybe one of these key strokes will help you get the time back. I rely on that for a clock myself.
Marilyn



-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 9:37 AM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Closing Programs

My downstairs computer is an Asus M32CB desktop running Windows 10 and NVDA 2.1.3.3. After doing a windows reset, one of the problems is, it does not close programs with alt F4. It seems to just minimize them. I found this by using alt tab to rotate through running programs; and whatever I was using is still running. Only way I can actually close a program is to use the system menu (alt spacebar) then choose close. Anyone know how to get it back to where alt F4 closes stuff?

Also, NVDA key plus F12 is now silent. I used to like that command to get the time quickly.

Thanks anybody for your suggestions.

Howard









Re: Closing Programs

Gene
 

I'll add that fn key plus another key or keys such as fn alt f4, fn 3, etc. keys perform different functions on different computers.  While I don't think trying fn alt f4 or fn JAWS or NVDA key f12 will change any settings or take any actions, you may not want to experiment, just in case.

Others may have comments.
Gene

On 5/19/2022 11:59 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:
Evidently, when you reset the computer, you set the fn key to the default so it is now on.  You may be able to turn it off with a software command which others may know.  If you hold the fn  key and then issue the time command, do you hear it?  How about holding it and closing a program?

Gene

On 5/19/2022 11:37 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
My downstairs computer is an Asus M32CB desktop running Windows 10 and NVDA 2.1.3.3.  After doing a windows reset, one of the problems is, it does not close programs with alt F4.  It seems to just minimize them.  I found this by using alt tab to rotate through running programs; and whatever I was using is still running.  Only way I can actually close a program is to use the system menu (alt spacebar) then choose close.  Anyone know how to get it back to where alt F4 closes stuff?

Also, NVDA key plus F12 is now silent.  I used to like that command to get the time quickly.

Thanks anybody for your suggestions.

Howard








Re: Closing Programs

Gene
 

I consider it the fault of how techs are trained.  It is done with good intentions.  But when a blind person has a machine serviced, service people should be trained not to change any settings without asking the person first.  Since techs aren't trained in this way, it may not be their fault, but it is the fault of how they are trained.

Gene

On 5/19/2022 11:55 AM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:
Hi Howard.
Every time I get my computer back from Data Doctors, the Insert and F 12 keys don't work.  I have to check the num pad to see if it is set to number lock off.  And also check another setting by pressing insert zero. Not their fault because of my using key strokes to work my computer and after all, they are just checking everything to ensure all is OK.  But, it made me learn to check these things to make them work again. I was forced to memorize and recall what to do.  

Maybe one of these key strokes will help you get the time back.  I rely on that for a clock myself.
Marilyn



-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 9:37 AM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Closing Programs

My downstairs computer is an Asus M32CB desktop running Windows 10 and NVDA 2.1.3.3.  After doing a windows reset, one of the problems is, it does not close programs with alt F4.  It seems to just minimize them.  I found this by using alt tab to rotate through running programs; and whatever I was using is still running.  Only way I can actually close a program is to use the system menu (alt spacebar) then choose close. Anyone know how to get it back to where alt F4 closes stuff?

Also, NVDA key plus F12 is now silent.  I used to like that command to get the time quickly.

Thanks anybody for your suggestions.

Howard










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Re: Closing Programs

Gene
 

Evidently, when you reset the computer, you set the fn key to the default so it is now on.  You may be able to turn it off with a software command which others may know.  If you hold the fn  key and then issue the time command, do you hear it?  How about holding it and closing a program?

Gene

On 5/19/2022 11:37 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
My downstairs computer is an Asus M32CB desktop running Windows 10 and NVDA 2.1.3.3.  After doing a windows reset, one of the problems is, it does not close programs with alt F4.  It seems to just minimize them.  I found this by using alt tab to rotate through running programs; and whatever I was using is still running.  Only way I can actually close a program is to use the system menu (alt spacebar) then choose close.  Anyone know how to get it back to where alt F4 closes stuff?

Also, NVDA key plus F12 is now silent.  I used to like that command to get the time quickly.

Thanks anybody for your suggestions.

Howard







Working with forms on my iPhone XR with IOS 15 Plus

Sharon Hooley
 

Hi,

Sometimes when I want to make selections or enter text on my iPhone XR with IOS 15 plus, I can't seem to access pop-ups and list boxes, or to correctly enter information. Is there a way to use these things?

Thanks,


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Re: Closing Programs

Marilyn and Don Bilderback
 

Hi Howard.
Every time I get my computer back from Data Doctors, the Insert and F 12 keys don't work. I have to check the num pad to see if it is set to number lock off. And also check another setting by pressing insert zero. Not their fault because of my using key strokes to work my computer and after all, they are just checking everything to ensure all is OK. But, it made me learn to check these things to make them work again. I was forced to memorize and recall what to do.

Maybe one of these key strokes will help you get the time back. I rely on that for a clock myself.
Marilyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 9:37 AM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Closing Programs

My downstairs computer is an Asus M32CB desktop running Windows 10 and NVDA 2.1.3.3. After doing a windows reset, one of the problems is, it does not close programs with alt F4. It seems to just minimize them. I found this by using alt tab to rotate through running programs; and whatever I was using is still running. Only way I can actually close a program is to use the system menu (alt spacebar) then choose close. Anyone know how to get it back to where alt F4 closes stuff?

Also, NVDA key plus F12 is now silent. I used to like that command to get the time quickly.

Thanks anybody for your suggestions.

Howard


Closing Programs

Howard Traxler
 

My downstairs computer is an Asus M32CB desktop running Windows 10 and NVDA 2.1.3.3.  After doing a windows reset, one of the problems is, it does not close programs with alt F4.  It seems to just minimize them.  I found this by using alt tab to rotate through running programs; and whatever I was using is still running.  Only way I can actually close a program is to use the system menu (alt spacebar) then choose close.  Anyone know how to get it back to where alt F4 closes stuff?

Also, NVDA key plus F12 is now silent.  I used to like that command to get the time quickly.

Thanks anybody for your suggestions.

Howard


Re: Need good caller ID

Marda
 

I have a panasonic cordless phone with talking caller ID and I hate it because the voice is distored and sometimes names and numbers are hard to understand.  I used to have a wonderful talking caller ID device made by classco where I plugged it in and iiiiiiiiiiiiiit was a sort of box thing with buttons that connected to my phone system and it had arrow keys where you could rewind or fast forward through the numbers that had called while you were out and get information like time and date and all that and the voice was very clear.  It also announced call waiting id numbers too.  I wish they still made them.  I have seen people selling them but they want a lot of money for them since they are evidently no longer made.  When that unit stopped working I used the panasonic that my husband hhad in the house and I am still using that but I find the voice quality very unsatisfactory.

Marda

On 5/15/2022 4:33 PM, Gene wrote:
However, a friend of mine got a Panasonic base with portable units and talking caller ID and her phone and perhaps the model, has a problem when using speaker phone.  It picks up and replays the voice of the person on the other end, causing an echo.  I want to emphasize that I don't know if the problem is just with her phone or with the model but it may be important to make a point of reading reviews in case this is mentioned elsewhere.

What features do yew want the phone or answering machine to have?

Gene

On 5/15/2022 4:12 PM, Ashley Breger via groups.io wrote:
Hi Nancy,
Panasonic phones have talking caller ID and as long as the caller is not a solicitor it will announce their name or it will say call from spam likely.
Hope this helps,

Ashley Breger

On May 15, 2022, at 12:54 PM, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:


My caller ID just went out. It was the model just before the CW99 Classcow model. I need one that does what those did. I'll either take a caller ID or a phone that has one with same features, or close as possible. All suggestions are welcome.
Thanks in advance,
Nance

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Re: An apology and question about victor stream

Carolyn Arnold
 

You can buy internal SD cards from Blind Mice Mega Mall. For
a price, you can send your reader and install them, or
follow posted instructions and install. I ordered for my two
readers, but got cold feet and sold mine for less than I
paid for them.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Petrilli
via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 9:50 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] An apology and question about victor
stream

First if my question has appeared before I apologize but it
seams I was bounced so I never seen the first two messages.I
will try again,there was someone on list who could increase
internal storage on victor.If anyone has contact info could
you pass it along?Again sorry about multiple posts thanks
Dave

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