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Re: Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Monte Single
 

Yes, that heavily accented male e-speak voice is probably the worst computer speech I have ever heard.

 

I am sure, as Gene says, this is enough to turn a lot of people away from an excellen no/low priced screen reader.

 

Hi Joseph Lee, you wizard , you.  Maybe there is another voice that could     run at the installation of n v d a???

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: September-03-15 4:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

 

One of the things that turns off a lot of people to NVDA is E-Speak.  In my opinion, something should come up in the instalation sequence asking people if they want to choose another voice and giving them the selection of voices that are unrestricted on the computer.  A lot of people who don't know much about screen-readers simply assume that it sounds the way it sounds and don't use it once they hear the installation voice.

 

gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Marie

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 5:20 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

 

Sorry, I saw on another email that it was Australian. either way In my
opinion it is bad. But I also realize that what one person thinks is bad,
another person likes it so I should keep this particular opinion to myself.
My apologies.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:31 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Hi,

Actually, I believe e Speak is supposed to be British?

----- Original Message -----
From: Marie <magpie.mn@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Thursday, 3 September 2015 5:02 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

>
>
> I don't think there is anything wrong with your hearing when it comes to
> ESpeak. It makes me want to grit my teeth trying to understand it and to
> tolerate the very sound of it. I love Australian accents but this is
> terrible. I will probably spend more time trying to use and learn NVDA now
> that the voice is so much more pleasant.
> Marie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Monica Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:07 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
>
> Good, I like NVDa; I just can't stand that ESpeak. It's too robotic and
> the
> accent is too sharp. I don't have a problem with real people with
> Australian
> accents; I understand them just fine. Somehow, those voices are just too
> something. I've tried running them real slow and still can't get used to
> them. Maybe it's my hearing, or, perhaps I just need to try longer.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marie
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:00 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
>
> Glad I could help. Be sure to run the Microsoft runtime file first and
> then
> the zira-pro. I did this while NVDA was running and then went into the
> Preferences setting then synthesizers and found the voice. It is
> responsive
> and understandable.
> Marie
>
>
> original Message-----
> From: Monica Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:50 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
>
> Never mind, I lied, it did download. I just didn't get the noise I usually
> get when something finishes. Thanks for sending me the link again, Marie.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marie
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:39 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
>
> Monica,
> If you download the zip file that was posted earlier, the correct files
> are
> included. I just downloaded it and installed the runtime file and the
> zira-pro voice on my desktop and I must say it is a vast improvement over
> ESpeak. In case you missed the zip file, here is the link:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Txao1DiiuvSXdoT3k0U0hHaHc/view"usp=sharing
> Marie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Monica Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:34 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
>
> Is the 86 version on the page, or do have to find that somewhere else? I'm
> asking because you said the info was missing.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laz
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:09 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
>
> Gerald,
>
> I hope the below helps. I noticed this info was missing on the page
> from the link that was provided earlier.
>
> Microsoft Speech Platform - Runtime (Version 11), x86. Note that you
> must install the x86 version even if your system is 64 bit.
>
> Laz
>
> On 9/2/15, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
> >
> > I installed these two apps, but when I accessed the NVDA Synthesizer
> > dialog
> >
> > on the Preferences menu and selected Microsoft Speech Platform in the
> > combo
> >
> > box and then clicked Okay, I got an error message that the synthesizer
> > could
> >
> > not be loaded.  Did I screw something up?
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Blaster
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:42 AM
> > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
> >
> > You can get the updated speech runtime update and extra voices from this
> > link:
> >
> > http://pamgriffith.net/blog/alternative-voices-for-nvda/
> >
> >
> > I like the zira pro voice myself,
> > Blaster
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Gene
 

It appears that Kurzweil 1000 has an unrestricted version of Eloquence that you can use with NVDA.  I have no idea if it is legal or if anyone cares.  If the owners of Eloquence cared, they have had years to get Kurzweil to stop using an unrestricted version. 
However, the Eloquence provided with Openbook is restricted as is Eloquence provided with other FS products.  It can only be used with FS products. 
 
Also, I'll provide my experience using Eloquence provided by Kurzweil with NVDA.  I am not saying that others will have this experience.  I tried using it and it crashed and caused so many other programs to crash so often that I stopped experimenting with it after a few days.
 
I'm not at all sure this is the case, but it may be that the crashes were the result of a SAPI 4 version of Eloquence being used.  I don't recall seeing this stated anywhere, that SAPI 4 is being used but I think it is.  it appears to work alright with Kurzweil but I've seen and read that SAPI 4 may be unstable in Windows 7.
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

use your installed version of open book which contains it, or, K1000 has
Eloquence which can and I use it with NVDA.
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:27:32 -0400
"Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

>
> On my old XP PC, I was able to use Eloquence as my default voice for NVDA because I also happened to have Open Book 7 installed as well.  But on my current Windows 7 PC, the only default voices available for NVDA are Microsoft Anna or ESpeak, neither of which appeals to me because they are not especially clear or responsive.  I am well aware that Eloquence is not available legally as a free voice for NVDA in Win 7, so I won’t even bother to get into a discussion about this sensitive issue.  In any case, are there any other free voices available for NVDA that are clearer and more responsive than Anna or ESpeak?  Thanks.
>
> Gerald
>





Re: Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Laz
 

That's a very good idea! The default voice is really horrible and I
personally know at least a handfull of people who didn't give NVDA a
chance due to that fact. Since I have phone conversations with folks
because of my business, I always recommend they try NVDA if the
subject of screen readers comes up and I've learned to add the
statement that they can change to a different language and variant or
even use a SAPI5 voice. I've helped a lot of people get set up with
the Microsoft Speech Platform 11 voices and they're very happy using
NVDA now. Laz

On 9/3/15, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
One of the things that turns off a lot of people to NVDA is E-Speak. In my
opinion, something should come up in the instalation sequence asking people
if they want to choose another voice and giving them the selection of voices
that are unrestricted on the computer. A lot of people who don't know much
about screen-readers simply assume that it sounds the way it sounds and
don't use it once they hear the installation voice.

gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 5:20 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA


Sorry, I saw on another email that it was Australian. either way In my
opinion it is bad. But I also realize that what one person thinks is bad,
another person likes it so I should keep this particular opinion to myself.

My apologies.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:31 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Hi,

Actually, I believe e Speak is supposed to be British?

----- Original Message -----
From: Marie <magpie.mn@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Thursday, 3 September 2015 5:02 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA



I don't think there is anything wrong with your hearing when it comes to
ESpeak. It makes me want to grit my teeth trying to understand it and to
tolerate the very sound of it. I love Australian accents but this is
terrible. I will probably spend more time trying to use and learn NVDA
now
that the voice is so much more pleasant.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:07 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Good, I like NVDa; I just can't stand that ESpeak. It's too robotic and
the
accent is too sharp. I don't have a problem with real people with
Australian
accents; I understand them just fine. Somehow, those voices are just too
something. I've tried running them real slow and still can't get used to
them. Maybe it's my hearing, or, perhaps I just need to try longer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:00 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Glad I could help. Be sure to run the Microsoft runtime file first and
then
the zira-pro. I did this while NVDA was running and then went into the
Preferences setting then synthesizers and found the voice. It is
responsive
and understandable.
Marie


original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:50 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Never mind, I lied, it did download. I just didn't get the noise I
usually
get when something finishes. Thanks for sending me the link again, Marie.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:39 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Monica,
If you download the zip file that was posted earlier, the correct files
are
included. I just downloaded it and installed the runtime file and the
zira-pro voice on my desktop and I must say it is a vast improvement over
ESpeak. In case you missed the zip file, here is the link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Txao1DiiuvSXdoT3k0U0hHaHc/view"usp=sharing
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:34 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Is the 86 version on the page, or do have to find that somewhere else?
I'm
asking because you said the info was missing.


-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:09 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Gerald,

I hope the below helps. I noticed this info was missing on the page
from the link that was provided earlier.

Microsoft Speech Platform - Runtime (Version 11), x86. Note that you
must install the x86 version even if your system is 64 bit.

Laz

On 9/2/15, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

I installed these two apps, but when I accessed the NVDA Synthesizer
dialog

on the Preferences menu and selected Microsoft Speech Platform in the
combo

box and then clicked Okay, I got an error message that the synthesizer
could

not be loaded. Did I screw something up?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Blaster
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:42 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

You can get the updated speech runtime update and extra voices from
this
link:

http://pamgriffith.net/blog/alternative-voices-for-nvda/


I like the zira pro voice myself,
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Re: Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi,
The option is called "Deferred upgrades', and when enabled, you can choose
when to install feature upgrades.
In regards to screen readers, I hope Quentin is right, and I do keep an eye
on Insider builds to make sure accessibility isn't broken (one of the most
worrysome development is response of UI Automatoin, for which mostly
Microsoft is to blame).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen [mailto:quentin.christensen@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 3:28 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

In Professional, you can set it to use the "Current branch for business",
which basically means you still get security updates, but feature updates
are delayed until a few months after home users have them.

Theoretically, between the fact that the Windows Insider (Beta) program is
continuing, and that updates will be pushed to home users first, that will
hopefully mean that screen reader manufacturers will have accommodated for
any changes by the time they get to the current branch for business users,
and feature updates will generally be small and incremental, so it wouldn't
be like jumping from Windows 7 to 8 overnight.

Regards

Quentin.

On 4/09/2015 2:18 AM, Jeremy wrote:
Mostly, weather you wait or not, just be aware of the biggest issues
that us using screenreaders may have in 10. Gene and others have
pointed it out, several times that some of the versions do not allow
you to turn off having updates download and install, automatically.
This means, that if for what ever reason, an update is going to cause
you an issue with NVDA, you're gonna get that update and hopefully,
find a way to either uninstall the problematic update or find a
workaround. If memory serves, it's only the versions below
professional that don't allow turning off updating, but I'm not 100
percent sure.
Please forgive if this has already been mentioned here in this thread
specifically, I couldn't remember.

On 9/2/2015 2:58 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi
I've never used a braille display, with my windows computer. I do
perfectly fine with my screen reader.
At this point, I plan to permanently use NVDA for my screen reader.
It's much faster than jaws, and doesn't lock up your computer.
I've heard nothing but positive reviews regarding windows 10, with
screen readers. Yes, as usual, there are probably accessibility
issues. But that's to be expected. This software is brand-new, but
things will get worked out eventually. Still, I would rather not wait.
Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 2, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Sorry about that Jessica. Sometimes you get a bit caught up in
responding..
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica D" <jldail13@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?


Hi,
Can we please get back to the topic that I originally asked about?
It seems as though this thread is going off-topic.
Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 2, 2015, at 3:03 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi,
They'll need drivers for FS because that's the only way to
communicate with them (in effect, a driver is a software package
that allows software to communicate with the hardware the driver
represents).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 11:53 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
And how do the FS displays work? Why do those still need the drivers?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 11:50:41 -0700
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
Same principles apply: Bluetooth is essentially a wireless version
of serial port, so it is possible to use braille display protocols
(it'll take hours to explain how to write braille display support
in NVDA, as it involves intimate knowledge of how your braille
display works).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 11:47 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
How about when using BlueTooth?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 11:46:44 -0700
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
In case of NVDA, all they did was figure out the protocol used by
braille displays, and used a serial port to send and receive data
(no special drivers needed).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 11:43 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
Ah, OK, thanks. I knew that humanware and hims already had their
drivers included with JAWS, and knew about the NVDA addon. I
thought the others would be similar.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 11:41:09 -0700
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
For some, interfacing with braille displays means using external
drivers (Freedom Scientific ones are a good example of this).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 11:33 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
I thought that some were built into the screen reader, though?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:09:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Braille displays like all devices use their own drivers and they
are not all guaranteed to work in Windows 10.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?


Hi,
Would it really effect braille displays? Forgive me, but thought
that that
was screen reader plus the device? e.g. Apex and NVDA. Why
wouldn't work
with win10?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 13:51:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Well, that is a personal thing. I will post a podcast that
might help
here.
Also you have to consider all your software and hardware will it
work with
it. Especially printers scanners and brail displays and so on.
And any
of
your special software that might not work for some reason. Also
there is
no
big hurry to do this you have almost a year to do it . So I
would wait
till
it was about six month old or so to give everything time to work
better!
Just my thoughts. See link below.




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Thanks,

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From: Jessica D [mailto:jldail13@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:54 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?



Hi,

I would like to know if I should upgrade to windows 10?

I have heard nothing but good reviews.

What do you guys think?

I'm using the latest version of NVDA.

Thanks,

Jessica






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Re: considering to start with Apple machines

Carlos
 


Well I suspect there are at least some people who do object to the heavy traffic since a few members have already unsubscribed, but as they say you can't please everyone all of the time and you shouldn't try.  Thanks and I will continue to do my best Marie.

----- Original Message -----
From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Joseph,
I have been on the list since day 2 and have found it delightful. And Carlos I don’t think any of us mind heavy traffic if it is at least somewhat pertinent to technology. But at the same time an occasional friendly message or bit of humor is nice too. Good work so far.
Marie
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
 
We will try to insure that there is no arguing, whining, and bickering.  Although there's not very much I can do about large amounts of traffic in general.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
 
Oh okay, will thank you. I will have to say, Dan if this turns out anything like what blind take did I'm afraid I will have to leave as I get way too many emails in the day, to do with the arguing and whining and bickering
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
 
LOL actually I just collected a large list of Emails from old messages using a bit of scripting, but be assured that I do in fact remember you Joseph and you are most certainly welcome here.
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
 
Hello, I was not here for the original email and I do have a Mac computer matter fact my first one and I'll be more than willing to speak with you via any contact below. And trying to help you pick out what is best for you. So if you wish to talk with me no free to contact me. And secondly, I want to thank Carlos for inviting me to his list. I don't know who gave him my info to invite me to this list but I do appreciate the invite.
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
 
Hi, you might want to join the Mac4theblind list. This is a great email list and great owner and mod. See link below to join up.
 
 
 
 
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@...] 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:06 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Matt,
I don’t thinnk that the MAC will be my first computer’ probably not in the beginning.
I’ve to learn, to practice and then to choose the better one for me.
I’m sorry that only you had answered my questions.
I wish to get much more info and some tips, which kind of machines of mac, there are and what is the best for totally blind user who needs braile too and more.
I hope that more Mac users here will send their help and knowledge.
thanks you any way, Matt.
Moti 
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Applemachines
Is this Mac going to be your work computer? If so what do you do for a living? I personally don’t have a Mac yet been putting it off for ever. But I think I will be getting my first very soon. As soon as they put out the new ones and I sort of leaning toward a Mac mini possible a Mac Air . It is not going to be a work computer or even my main computer .but something to learn and play around with.
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@...] 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:57 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Thanks Matt.
I wrote to this list in order to get more explanation about the real difference between the systems of Apple and these of Microsoft.
I do hope to get much more info because as I said, I don’t have any experience with Apple and wish to know whether to start to work with or not.
thanks for any output here.
Moti
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Hi, well, there is several ways you can do this install windows on the Mac. One thru a virtual windows and the other is thru boot camp . Which boot camp is fairly like just installing windows like on any hard drive.  I think I would prefer boot camp to a virtual windows but it is a choice. Now if you not going to use this thing as your primary machine you might not want to get      the latest and greatest . You might want to if thinking of a lap top go with the Mac book air the13 inch or the 11 inch. They also have brought back the mac book as well so that might be worth looking at. But all this being said this late in the year I think I would wait for the new ones to come out. JST !
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Dear all,
First, greetings to you all here in the new list and a lot of thanks to Carlos, who helps all of us everywhere.
Now my thoughts:
I’m using for fourteen years or so the system operation of Microsoft.
Now, I use Win 7 pro and think to upgrade it – when Jaws 17 is out, soon.
I’ve two laptops, one is 8 years and the other one is five years old.
I think to start now using the laptop of Apple and as I do understand – I’mtalking about MACBOOK PRO.
I really wish to get your thoughts, your experience with that machine.
which one do I have to purchase and any other helpful information.
I’ve read about it but really don’t have any experience and the world and the way Apple acts with its systems.
Again, I do understand that it is a very general question but any information, any experience will be greatly appreciated.
I’m totally blind and use Braille Display and it’s a very important point for me.
I also know that I can install the system of Microsoft on these machine of Apple and wish to know how really this works.
thanks for any output.
Moti



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Re: Large amounts of traffic was considering to start with Apple machines

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi Laz,
I think one way moderators will gain trust is through kindness - please do show BlindTech members kindness so they can trust you early on. Good luck.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Laz [mailto:laz@talkingmp3players.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 3:23 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Thank you for the vote of confidence, Gene! Laz

On 9/3/15, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
And, as I consider the matter further, maybe Mike should make you the owner.
Considering how he has mismanaged the list, I hope he leaves it alone
and just lets you run it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to
start with Apple machines


At this point, whether Joseph is a member is probably largely irrelevant.
The list has moved about four times in about four years and lost a lot
of members. It has been almost unmoderated for quite sometime and as
a result of no or very poor moderation, almost the entire core of
active members has become active here and largely inactive on
Blindtech. All they needed was a good alternative and now that one is
available, Blindtech is moribund. AS a result, Blindtech currently has only about three or five messages a day.
Good moderation is not in my opinion, all that is necessary at this point..
good moderation and active promotion of the list is necessary. You
may want to actively promote it after good rules are in place. And
promotion may entail describing how the list has changed to try to
begin rebuilding its reputation.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Geneare in place. Perhaps you, Laz, can help save Blindtech. At
present, the list hasas almost been destroyed. If it had been a From:
Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:25 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to
start with Apple machines



You’ll be happy to know that your pal, Joseph the Free Tech Guy, is
back on the Blind Tech list, so its days may be numbered.

Gerald



From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to
start with Apple machines

And of course, that type of inaction on the part of the list owner in
combination with the most recent issue, is basically the reason I felt
the need to create a new list.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to
start with Apple machines

People weren't bickering about who can help the best. One member of
the list insulted other list members repeatedly. If the list had been
properly moderated, the insulting conduct would have been stopped
immediately. As one member who was repeatedly insulted and talked
down to by the member, I resent your characterization. I did not
bicker and whine. If someone publicly talks down to me on a list or
states that I am providing dangerous solutions to problems when they
are not,I am going to publicly defend myself and others have the right
to do so as well. And it's not just a question of people defending
themselves. New members come to lists all the time. If someone
inaccurately disparages another members advice, indicating that is
dangerous or inadequate when it is not, then the person who is
disparaged should have the right to defend their answers so that new list members won't form erroneous opinions about who is giving good advice.

This list, which will be properly moderated, should not have any
such problems.

Gene
----- Origina Message -----

From: Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:01 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to
start with Apple machines

Hi, large amount of traffic is not a problem. the problem is is
whenever people start bickering about who can help the best. That's
what got me to leave blind tech.

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
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Twitter
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

We will try to insure that there is no arguing, whining, and bickering.
Although there's not very much I can do about large amounts of traffic
in general.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Oh okay, will thank you. I will have to say, Dan if this turns
out anything like what blind take did I'm afraid I will have to leave
as I get way too many emails in the day, to do with the arguing and
whining and bickering

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.....com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

LOL actually I just collected a large list of Emails from old
messages using a bit of scripting, but be assured that I do in fact
remember you Joseph and you are most certainly welcome here.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines

Hello, I was not here for the original email and I do have a
Mac computer matter fact my first one and I'll be more than willing to
speak with you via any contact below. And trying to help you pick out
what is best for you. So if you wish to talk with me no free to
contact me. And secondly, I want to thank Carlos for inviting me to
his list. I don't know who gave him my info to invite me to this list but I do appreciate the invite.

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook......com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Matt
<matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi, you might want to join the Mac4theblind list. This is
a great email list and great owner and mod. See link below to join up.

http://www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:06 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Matt,
I don’t thinnk that the MAC will be my first computer’
probably not in the beginning.
I’ve to learn, to practice and then to choose the better
one for me.
I’m sorry that only you had answered my questions.
I wish to get much more info and some tips, which kind of
machines of mac, there are and what is the best for totally blind user
who needs braile too and more.
I hope that more Mac users here will send their help and
knowledge.
thanks you any way, Matt.
Moti
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:50 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Applemachines
Is this Mac going to be your work computer? If so what do
you do for a living? I personally don’t have a Mac yet been putting it
off for ever. But I think I will be getting my first very soon. As
soon as they put out the new ones and I sort of leaning toward a Mac
mini possible a Mac Air . It is not going to be a work computer or
even my main computer .but something to learn and play around with.
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:57 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Thanks Matt.
I wrote to this list in order to get more explanation
about the real difference between the systems of Apple and these of Microsoft.
I do hope to get much more info because as I said, I don’t
have any experience with Apple and wish to know whether to start to
work with or not.
thanks for any output here.
Moti
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:23 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Hi, well, there is several ways you can do this install
windows on the Mac. One thru a virtual windows and the other is thru boot camp ....
Which boot camp is fairly like just installing windows like on any
hard drive. I think I would prefer boot camp to a virtual windows but
it is a choice. Now if you not going to use this thing as your primary machine you
might not want to get the latest and greatest . You might want to if
thinking of a lap top go with the Mac book air the13 inch or the 11 inch.
They also have brought back the mac book as well so that might be
worth looking at. But all this being said this late in the year I
think I would wait for the new ones to come out. JST !
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Dear all,
First, greetings to you all here in the new list and a lot
of thanks to Carlos, who helps all of us everywhere.
Now my thoughts:
I’m using for fourteen years or so the system operation of
Microsoft.
Now, I use Win 7 pro and think to upgrade it – when Jaws
17 is out, soon.
I’ve two laptops, one is 8 years and the other one is five
years old.
I think to start now using the laptop of Apple and as I do
understand – I’mtalking about MACBOOK PRO.
I really wish to get your thoughts, your experience with
that machine.
which one do I have to purchase and any other helpful
information.
I’ve read about it but really don’t have any experience
and the world and the way Apple acts with its systems.
Again, I do understand that it is a very general question
but any information, any experience will be greatly appreciated.
I’m totally blind and use Braille Display and it’s a very
important point for me.
I also know that I can install the system of Microsoft on
these machine of Apple and wish to know how really this works.
thanks for any output.
Moti



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Re: considering to start with Apple machines

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

Joseph,
I have been on the list since day 2 and have found it delightful. And Carlos I don’t think any of us mind heavy traffic if it is at least somewhat pertinent to technology. But at the same time an occasional friendly message or bit of humor is nice too. Good work so far.
Marie
 
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
 
We will try to insure that there is no arguing, whining, and bickering.  Although there's not very much I can do about large amounts of traffic in general.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
 
Oh okay, will thank you. I will have to say, Dan if this turns out anything like what blind take did I'm afraid I will have to leave as I get way too many emails in the day, to do with the arguing and whining and bickering
Joseph Hudson
Email
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
Twitter
 
On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
 
LOL actually I just collected a large list of Emails from old messages using a bit of scripting, but be assured that I do in fact remember you Joseph and you are most certainly welcome here.
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
 
Hello, I was not here for the original email and I do have a Mac computer matter fact my first one and I'll be more than willing to speak with you via any contact below. And trying to help you pick out what is best for you. So if you wish to talk with me no free to contact me. And secondly, I want to thank Carlos for inviting me to his list. I don't know who gave him my info to invite me to this list but I do appreciate the invite.
Joseph Hudson
Email
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
Twitter
 
On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
 
Hi, you might want to join the Mac4theblind list. This is a great email list and great owner and mod. See link below to join up.
 
 
 
 
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@...] 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:06 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Matt,
I don’t thinnk that the MAC will be my first computer’ probably not in the beginning.
I’ve to learn, to practice and then to choose the better one for me.
I’m sorry that only you had answered my questions.
I wish to get much more info and some tips, which kind of machines of mac, there are and what is the best for totally blind user who needs braile too and more.
I hope that more Mac users here will send their help and knowledge.
thanks you any way, Matt.
Moti 
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Applemachines
Is this Mac going to be your work computer? If so what do you do for a living? I personally don’t have a Mac yet been putting it off for ever. But I think I will be getting my first very soon. As soon as they put out the new ones and I sort of leaning toward a Mac mini possible a Mac Air . It is not going to be a work computer or even my main computer .but something to learn and play around with.
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@...] 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:57 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Thanks Matt.
I wrote to this list in order to get more explanation about the real difference between the systems of Apple and these of Microsoft.
I do hope to get much more info because as I said, I don’t have any experience with Apple and wish to know whether to start to work with or not.
thanks for any output here.
Moti
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Hi, well, there is several ways you can do this install windows on the Mac. One thru a virtual windows and the other is thru boot camp . Which boot camp is fairly like just installing windows like on any hard drive.  I think I would prefer boot camp to a virtual windows but it is a choice. Now if you not going to use this thing as your primary machine you might not want to get      the latest and greatest . You might want to if thinking of a lap top go with the Mac book air the13 inch or the 11 inch. They also have brought back the mac book as well so that might be worth looking at. But all this being said this late in the year I think I would wait for the new ones to come out. JST !
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Dear all,
First, greetings to you all here in the new list and a lot of thanks to Carlos, who helps all of us everywhere.
Now my thoughts:
I’m using for fourteen years or so the system operation of Microsoft.
Now, I use Win 7 pro and think to upgrade it – when Jaws 17 is out, soon.
I’ve two laptops, one is 8 years and the other one is five years old.
I think to start now using the laptop of Apple and as I do understand – I’mtalking about MACBOOK PRO.
I really wish to get your thoughts, your experience with that machine.
which one do I have to purchase and any other helpful information.
I’ve read about it but really don’t have any experience and the world and the way Apple acts with its systems.
Again, I do understand that it is a very general question but any information, any experience will be greatly appreciated.
I’m totally blind and use Braille Display and it’s a very important point for me.
I also know that I can install the system of Microsoft on these machine of Apple and wish to know how really this works.
thanks for any output.
Moti



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Re: Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Quentin Christensen
 

In Professional, you can set it to use the "Current branch for business", which basically means you still get security updates, but feature updates are delayed until a few months after home users have them.

Theoretically, between the fact that the Windows Insider (Beta) program is continuing, and that updates will be pushed to home users first, that will hopefully mean that screen reader manufacturers will have accommodated for any changes by the time they get to the current branch for business users, and feature updates will generally be small and incremental, so it wouldn't be like jumping from Windows 7 to 8 overnight.

Regards

Quentin.

On 4/09/2015 2:18 AM, Jeremy wrote:
Mostly, weather you wait or not, just be aware of the biggest issues that us using screenreaders may have in 10. Gene and others have pointed it out, several times that some of the versions do not allow you to turn off having updates download and install, automatically. This means, that if for what ever reason, an update is going to cause you an issue with NVDA, you're gonna get that update and hopefully, find a way to either uninstall the problematic update or find a workaround. If memory serves, it's only the versions below professional that don't allow turning off updating, but I'm not 100 percent sure.
Please forgive if this has already been mentioned here in this thread specifically, I couldn't remember.

On 9/2/2015 2:58 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi
I've never used a braille display, with my windows computer. I do perfectly fine with my screen reader.
At this point, I plan to permanently use NVDA for my screen reader. It's much faster than jaws, and doesn't lock up your computer.
I've heard nothing but positive reviews regarding windows 10, with screen readers. Yes, as usual, there are probably accessibility issues. But that's to be expected. This software is brand-new, but things will get worked out eventually. Still, I would rather not wait.
Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 2, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Sorry about that Jessica. Sometimes you get a bit caught up in responding..
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica D" <jldail13@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?


Hi,
Can we please get back to the topic that I originally asked about? It seems as though this thread is going off-topic.
Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 2, 2015, at 3:03 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
They'll need drivers for FS because that's the only way to communicate with
them (in effect, a driver is a software package that allows software to
communicate with the hardware the driver represents).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 11:53 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
And how do the FS displays work? Why do those still need the drivers?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 11:50:41 -0700
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
Same principles apply: Bluetooth is essentially a wireless version of serial
port, so it is possible to use braille display protocols (it'll take hours
to explain how to write braille display support in NVDA, as it involves
intimate knowledge of how your braille display works).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 11:47 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
How about when using BlueTooth?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 11:46:44 -0700
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
In case of NVDA, all they did was figure out the protocol used by braille
displays, and used a serial port to send and receive data (no special
drivers needed).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 11:43 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
Ah, OK, thanks. I knew that humanware and hims already had their drivers
included with JAWS, and knew about the NVDA addon. I thought the others
would be similar.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 11:41:09 -0700
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
For some, interfacing with braille displays means using external drivers
(Freedom Scientific ones are a good example of this).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 11:33 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Hi,
I thought that some were built into the screen reader, though?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:09:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Braille displays like all devices use their own drivers and they are not all
guaranteed to work in Windows 10.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com
To: <TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?


Hi,
Would it really effect braille displays? Forgive me, but thought
that that
was screen reader plus the device? e.g. Apex and NVDA. Why
wouldn't work
with win10?

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 13:51:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?

Well, that is a personal thing. I will post a podcast that
might help
here.
Also you have to consider all your software and hardware will it
work with
it. Especially printers scanners and brail displays and so on.
And any
of
your special software that might not work for some reason. Also
there is
no
big hurry to do this you have almost a year to do it . So I
would wait
till
it was about six month old or so to give everything time to work
better!
Just my thoughts. See link below.




http://media.blubrry.com/blindgeekzone/www.blind-geek-zone.net/wp
-content/up

loads/gravity_forms/3-98839556b66feeea5fbbaaad6c392a4c/2015/08/BG
Z-Update-Au
gust-30-2015.mp3







Thanks,

<mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com> Matt.from.florida@gmail.com



From: Jessica D [mailto:jldail13@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:54 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Should I upgrade to windows 10?



Hi,

I would like to know if I should upgrade to windows 10?

I have heard nothing but good reviews.

What do you guys think?

I'm using the latest version of NVDA.

Thanks,

Jessica





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Re: Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Gene
 

One of the things that turns off a lot of people to NVDA is E-Speak.  In my opinion, something should come up in the instalation sequence asking people if they want to choose another voice and giving them the selection of voices that are unrestricted on the computer.  A lot of people who don't know much about screen-readers simply assume that it sounds the way it sounds and don't use it once they hear the installation voice.
 
gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Sorry, I saw on another email that it was Australian. either way In my
opinion it is bad. But I also realize that what one person thinks is bad,
another person likes it so I should keep this particular opinion to myself.
My apologies.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:31 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Hi,

Actually, I believe e Speak is supposed to be British?

----- Original Message -----
From: Marie <magpie.mn@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Thursday, 3 September 2015 5:02 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

>
>
> I don't think there is anything wrong with your hearing when it comes to
> ESpeak. It makes me want to grit my teeth trying to understand it and to
> tolerate the very sound of it. I love Australian accents but this is
> terrible. I will probably spend more time trying to use and learn NVDA now
> that the voice is so much more pleasant.
> Marie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Monica Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:07 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
>
> Good, I like NVDa; I just can't stand that ESpeak. It's too robotic and
> the
> accent is too sharp. I don't have a problem with real people with
> Australian
> accents; I understand them just fine. Somehow, those voices are just too
> something. I've tried running them real slow and still can't get used to
> them. Maybe it's my hearing, or, perhaps I just need to try longer.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marie
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:00 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
>
> Glad I could help. Be sure to run the Microsoft runtime file first and
> then
> the zira-pro. I did this while NVDA was running and then went into the
> Preferences setting then synthesizers and found the voice. It is
> responsive
> and understandable.
> Marie
>
>
> original Message-----
> From: Monica Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:50 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
>
> Never mind, I lied, it did download. I just didn't get the noise I usually
> get when something finishes. Thanks for sending me the link again, Marie.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marie
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:39 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
>
> Monica,
> If you download the zip file that was posted earlier, the correct files
> are
> included. I just downloaded it and installed the runtime file and the
> zira-pro voice on my desktop and I must say it is a vast improvement over
> ESpeak. In case you missed the zip file, here is the link:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Txao1DiiuvSXdoT3k0U0hHaHc/view"usp=sharing
> Marie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Monica Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:34 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
>
> Is the 86 version on the page, or do have to find that somewhere else? I'm
> asking because you said the info was missing.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laz
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:09 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
>
> Gerald,
>
> I hope the below helps. I noticed this info was missing on the page
> from the link that was provided earlier.
>
> Microsoft Speech Platform - Runtime (Version 11), x86. Note that you
> must install the x86 version even if your system is 64 bit.
>
> Laz
>
> On 9/2/15, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
> >
> > I installed these two apps, but when I accessed the NVDA Synthesizer
> > dialog
> >
> > on the Preferences menu and selected Microsoft Speech Platform in the
> > combo
> >
> > box and then clicked Okay, I got an error message that the synthesizer
> > could
> >
> > not be loaded.  Did I screw something up?
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Blaster
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:42 AM
> > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
> >
> > You can get the updated speech runtime update and extra voices from this
> > link:
> >
> > http://pamgriffith.net/blog/alternative-voices-for-nvda/
> >
> >
> > I like the zira pro voice myself,
> > Blaster
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: NVDA and Windows 10?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Teresa,

NVDA themselves are recommending most users not upgrade to Windows 10 yet: http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2015-3-released/

However most things work quite well with NVDA, and I used it while writing my book, "Making Windows 10 Easy to See".

The main things which are still an issue are:
- Microsoft Edge, the new browser to replace Internet Explorer. If using NVDA, Firefox works well, or Internet Explorer actually is still included in Windows 10
- Some keyboard navigation, particularly in the Action Center (where you get notifications and alerts)
- Some of the new universal windows apps

Getting around the Start menu, desktop, taskbar and other programs works quite well.

Regards

Quentin.

On 4/09/2015 12:55 AM, Teresa wrote:

Hi, guys. I'm still working my way around this site interface, so I haven't had a chance to search in the message archives for this one. I mostly use my iPod, but sometimes use my husband's Windows computer, which he is going to upgrade to Win10. HOW well does the new release of NVDA work with it?


Thanks,

Teresa

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Re: Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

Actually I did not know this and am glad for the information. I am new to NVDA and to ESpeak so I will try out some of the other voices and thanks for the heads up.
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:32 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

You do know that with ESpeak one can change the language and then have
a choice of quite a few variants? I have mine set to English-US and
use the Daniel variant. But I do understand about different folks
having different hearing and that' it's all up to personal preference.
Just want to point out that no one is stuck with the default language
or variant.

Laz

On 9/2/15, Monica Jones <monicaj391@comcast.net> wrote:
Good, I like NVDa; I just can't stand that ESpeak. It's too robotic and the

accent is too sharp. I don't have a problem with real people with Australian

accents; I understand them just fine. Somehow, those voices are just too
something. I've tried running them real slow and still can't get used to
them. Maybe it's my hearing, or, perhaps I just need to try longer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:00 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Glad I could help. Be sure to run the Microsoft runtime file first and then
the zira-pro. I did this while NVDA was running and then went into the
Preferences setting then synthesizers and found the voice. It is responsive
and understandable.
Marie


original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:50 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Never mind, I lied, it did download. I just didn't get the noise I usually
get when something finishes. Thanks for sending me the link again, Marie.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:39 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Monica,
If you download the zip file that was posted earlier, the correct files are
included. I just downloaded it and installed the runtime file and the
zira-pro voice on my desktop and I must say it is a vast improvement over
ESpeak. In case you missed the zip file, here is the link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Txao1DiiuvSXdoT3k0U0hHaHc/view?usp=sharing
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:34 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Is the 86 version on the page, or do have to find that somewhere else? I'm
asking because you said the info was missing.


-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:09 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Gerald,

I hope the below helps. I noticed this info was missing on the page
from the link that was provided earlier.

Microsoft Speech Platform - Runtime (Version 11), x86. Note that you
must install the x86 version even if your system is 64 bit.

Laz

On 9/2/15, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

I installed these two apps, but when I accessed the NVDA Synthesizer
dialog

on the Preferences menu and selected Microsoft Speech Platform in the
combo

box and then clicked Okay, I got an error message that the synthesizer
could

not be loaded. Did I screw something up?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Blaster
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:42 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

You can get the updated speech runtime update and extra voices from this
link:

http://pamgriffith.net/blog/alternative-voices-for-nvda/


I like the zira pro voice myself,
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Re: Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Curtis Delzer
 

use your installed version of open book which contains it, or, K1000 has
Eloquence which can and I use it with NVDA.
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:27:32 -0400
"Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:


On my old XP PC, I was able to use Eloquence as my default voice for NVDA because I also happened to have Open Book 7 installed as well. But on my current Windows 7 PC, the only default voices available for NVDA are Microsoft Anna or ESpeak, neither of which appeals to me because they are not especially clear or responsive. I am well aware that Eloquence is not available legally as a free voice for NVDA in Win 7, so I won’t even bother to get into a discussion about this sensitive issue. In any case, are there any other free voices available for NVDA that are clearer and more responsive than Anna or ESpeak? Thanks.

Gerald


Re: software to determine how many on my network

Carlos
 

Note that the same developer also has another similar utility called WhoIsConnectedSniffer,
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/who_is_connected_sniffer.html
but unlike Wireless Network Watcher it requires that you install a capture driver.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] software to determine how many on my network


You are thinking of Wireless Network Watcher.
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/wireless_network_watcher.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew" <edrew@cox.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 6:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] software to determine how many on my network


Hello all, I seem to remember Carlos talking to a lady about a program that
id's how many devices using my wye fye. Thanks for any suggestions. Andrew





Re: Large amounts of traffic was considering to start with Apple machines

Laz
 

Thank you for the vote of confidence, Gene! Laz

On 9/3/15, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
And, as I consider the matter further, maybe Mike should make you the owner.
Considering how he has mismanaged the list, I hope he leaves it alone and
just lets you run it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start
with Apple machines


At this point, whether Joseph is a member is probably largely irrelevant.
The list has moved about four times in about four years and lost a lot of
members. It has been almost unmoderated for quite sometime and as a result
of no or very poor moderation, almost the entire core of active members has
become active here and largely inactive on Blindtech. All they needed was a
good alternative and now that one is available, Blindtech is moribund. AS a
result, Blindtech currently has only about three or five messages a day.
Good moderation is not in my opinion, all that is necessary at this point..
good moderation and active promotion of the list is necessary. You may want
to actively promote it after good rules are in place. And promotion may
entail describing how the list has changed to try to begin rebuilding its
reputation.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Geneare in place. Perhaps you, Laz, can help save Blindtech. At present,
the list hasas almost been destroyed. If it had been a From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:25 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start
with Apple machines



You’ll be happy to know that your pal, Joseph the Free Tech Guy, is back on
the Blind Tech list, so its days may be numbered.

Gerald



From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start
with Apple machines

And of course, that type of inaction on the part of the list owner in
combination with the most recent issue, is basically the reason I felt the
need to create a new list.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start
with Apple machines

People weren't bickering about who can help the best. One member of the
list insulted other list members repeatedly. If the list had been properly
moderated, the insulting conduct would have been stopped immediately. As
one member who was repeatedly insulted and talked down to by the member, I
resent your characterization. I did not bicker and whine. If someone
publicly talks down to me on a list or states that I am providing dangerous
solutions to problems when they are not,I am going to publicly defend myself
and others have the right to do so as well. And it's not just a question of
people defending themselves. New members come to lists all the time. If
someone inaccurately disparages another members advice, indicating that is
dangerous or inadequate when it is not, then the person who is disparaged
should have the right to defend their answers so that new list members won't
form erroneous opinions about who is giving good advice.

This list, which will be properly moderated, should not have any such
problems.

Gene
----- Origina Message -----

From: Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:01 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start with
Apple machines

Hi, large amount of traffic is not a problem. the problem is is whenever
people start bickering about who can help the best. That's what got me to
leave blind tech.

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

We will try to insure that there is no arguing, whining, and bickering.
Although there's not very much I can do about large amounts of traffic in
general.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Oh okay, will thank you. I will have to say, Dan if this turns out
anything like what blind take did I'm afraid I will have to leave as I get
way too many emails in the day, to do with the arguing and whining and
bickering

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
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Telephone
2543007667
Skype
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

LOL actually I just collected a large list of Emails from old
messages using a bit of scripting, but be assured that I do in fact
remember you Joseph and you are most certainly welcome here.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Hello, I was not here for the original email and I do have a Mac
computer matter fact my first one and I'll be more than willing to speak
with you via any contact below. And trying to help you pick out what is best
for you. So if you wish to talk with me no free to contact me. And secondly,
I want to thank Carlos for inviting me to his list. I don't know who gave
him my info to invite me to this list but I do appreciate the invite.

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
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Twitter
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi, you might want to join the Mac4theblind list. This is a
great email list and great owner and mod. See link below to join up.

http://www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:06 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Matt,
I don’t thinnk that the MAC will be my first computer’ probably
not in the beginning.
I’ve to learn, to practice and then to choose the better one for
me.
I’m sorry that only you had answered my questions.
I wish to get much more info and some tips, which kind of
machines of mac, there are and what is the best for totally blind user who
needs braile too and more.
I hope that more Mac users here will send their help and
knowledge.
thanks you any way, Matt.
Moti
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:50 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Applemachines
Is this Mac going to be your work computer? If so what do you do
for a living? I personally don’t have a Mac yet been putting it off for
ever. But I think I will be getting my first very soon. As soon as they put
out the new ones and I sort of leaning toward a Mac mini possible a Mac Air
. It is not going to be a work computer or even my main computer .but
something to learn and play around with.
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:57 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Thanks Matt.
I wrote to this list in order to get more explanation about the
real difference between the systems of Apple and these of Microsoft.
I do hope to get much more info because as I said, I don’t have
any experience with Apple and wish to know whether to start to work with or
not.
thanks for any output here.
Moti
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:23 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Hi, well, there is several ways you can do this install windows
on the Mac. One thru a virtual windows and the other is thru boot camp ....
Which boot camp is fairly like just installing windows like on any hard
drive. I think I would prefer boot camp to a virtual windows but it is a
choice. Now if you not going to use this thing as your primary machine you
might not want to get the latest and greatest . You might want to if
thinking of a lap top go with the Mac book air the13 inch or the 11 inch.
They also have brought back the mac book as well so that might be worth
looking at. But all this being said this late in the year I think I would
wait for the new ones to come out. JST !
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Dear all,
First, greetings to you all here in the new list and a lot of
thanks to Carlos, who helps all of us everywhere.
Now my thoughts:
I’m using for fourteen years or so the system operation of
Microsoft.
Now, I use Win 7 pro and think to upgrade it – when Jaws 17 is
out, soon.
I’ve two laptops, one is 8 years and the other one is five years
old.
I think to start now using the laptop of Apple and as I do
understand – I’mtalking about MACBOOK PRO.
I really wish to get your thoughts, your experience with that
machine.
which one do I have to purchase and any other helpful
information.
I’ve read about it but really don’t have any experience and the
world and the way Apple acts with its systems.
Again, I do understand that it is a very general question but
any information, any experience will be greatly appreciated.
I’m totally blind and use Braille Display and it’s a very
important point for me.
I also know that I can install the system of Microsoft on these
machine of Apple and wish to know how really this works.
thanks for any output.
Moti



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Re: Large amounts of traffic was considering to start with Apple machines

Laz
 

As always Gene, you brought up some very good points. Laz

On 9/3/15, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
At this point, whether Joseph is a member is probably largely irrelevant.
The list has moved about four times in about four years and lost a lot of
members. It has been almost unmoderated for quite sometime and as a result
of no or very poor moderation, almost the entire core of active members has
become active here and largely inactive on Blindtech. All they needed was a
good alternative and now that one is available, Blindtech is moribund. AS a
result, Blindtech currently has only about three or five messages a day.
Good moderation is not in my opinion, all that is necessary at this point..
good moderation and active promotion of the list is necessary. You may want
to actively promote it after good rules are in place. And promotion may
entail describing how the list has changed to try to begin rebuilding its
reputation.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Geneare in place. Perhaps you, Laz, can help save Blindtech. At present,
the list hasas almost been destroyed. If it had been a From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:25 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start
with Apple machines



You’ll be happy to know that your pal, Joseph the Free Tech Guy, is back on
the Blind Tech list, so its days may be numbered.

Gerald



From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start
with Apple machines

And of course, that type of inaction on the part of the list owner in
combination with the most recent issue, is basically the reason I felt the
need to create a new list.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start
with Apple machines

People weren't bickering about who can help the best. One member of the
list insulted other list members repeatedly. If the list had been properly
moderated, the insulting conduct would have been stopped immediately. As
one member who was repeatedly insulted and talked down to by the member, I
resent your characterization. I did not bicker and whine. If someone
publicly talks down to me on a list or states that I am providing dangerous
solutions to problems when they are not,I am going to publicly defend myself
and others have the right to do so as well. And it's not just a question of
people defending themselves. New members come to lists all the time. If
someone inaccurately disparages another members advice, indicating that is
dangerous or inadequate when it is not, then the person who is disparaged
should have the right to defend their answers so that new list members won't
form erroneous opinions about who is giving good advice.

This list, which will be properly moderated, should not have any such
problems.

Gene
----- Origina Message -----

From: Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:01 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start with
Apple machines

Hi, large amount of traffic is not a problem. the problem is is whenever
people start bickering about who can help the best. That's what got me to
leave blind tech.

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook....com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

We will try to insure that there is no arguing, whining, and bickering.
Although there's not very much I can do about large amounts of traffic in
general.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Oh okay, will thank you. I will have to say, Dan if this turns out
anything like what blind take did I'm afraid I will have to leave as I get
way too many emails in the day, to do with the arguing and whining and
bickering

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.....com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

LOL actually I just collected a large list of Emails from old
messages using a bit of scripting, but be assured that I do in fact
remember you Joseph and you are most certainly welcome here.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Hello, I was not here for the original email and I do have a Mac
computer matter fact my first one and I'll be more than willing to speak
with you via any contact below. And trying to help you pick out what is best
for you. So if you wish to talk with me no free to contact me. And secondly,
I want to thank Carlos for inviting me to his list. I don't know who gave
him my info to invite me to this list but I do appreciate the invite.

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook......com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi, you might want to join the Mac4theblind list. This is a
great email list and great owner and mod. See link below to join up.

http://www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:06 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Matt,
I don’t thinnk that the MAC will be my first computer’ probably
not in the beginning.
I’ve to learn, to practice and then to choose the better one for
me.
I’m sorry that only you had answered my questions.
I wish to get much more info and some tips, which kind of
machines of mac, there are and what is the best for totally blind user who
needs braile too and more.
I hope that more Mac users here will send their help and
knowledge.
thanks you any way, Matt.
Moti
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:50 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Applemachines
Is this Mac going to be your work computer? If so what do you do
for a living? I personally don’t have a Mac yet been putting it off for
ever. But I think I will be getting my first very soon. As soon as they put
out the new ones and I sort of leaning toward a Mac mini possible a Mac Air
. It is not going to be a work computer or even my main computer .but
something to learn and play around with.
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:57 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Thanks Matt.
I wrote to this list in order to get more explanation about the
real difference between the systems of Apple and these of Microsoft.
I do hope to get much more info because as I said, I don’t have
any experience with Apple and wish to know whether to start to work with or
not.
thanks for any output here.
Moti
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:23 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Hi, well, there is several ways you can do this install windows
on the Mac. One thru a virtual windows and the other is thru boot camp ....
Which boot camp is fairly like just installing windows like on any hard
drive. I think I would prefer boot camp to a virtual windows but it is a
choice. Now if you not going to use this thing as your primary machine you
might not want to get the latest and greatest . You might want to if
thinking of a lap top go with the Mac book air the13 inch or the 11 inch.
They also have brought back the mac book as well so that might be worth
looking at. But all this being said this late in the year I think I would
wait for the new ones to come out. JST !
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Dear all,
First, greetings to you all here in the new list and a lot of
thanks to Carlos, who helps all of us everywhere.
Now my thoughts:
I’m using for fourteen years or so the system operation of
Microsoft.
Now, I use Win 7 pro and think to upgrade it – when Jaws 17 is
out, soon.
I’ve two laptops, one is 8 years and the other one is five years
old.
I think to start now using the laptop of Apple and as I do
understand – I’mtalking about MACBOOK PRO.
I really wish to get your thoughts, your experience with that
machine.
which one do I have to purchase and any other helpful
information.
I’ve read about it but really don’t have any experience and the
world and the way Apple acts with its systems.
Again, I do understand that it is a very general question but
any information, any experience will be greatly appreciated.
I’m totally blind and use Braille Display and it’s a very
important point for me.
I also know that I can install the system of Microsoft on these
machine of Apple and wish to know how really this works.
thanks for any output.
Moti



Moti Azrad Musician & Piano tuner
motiaz@gmail.com
azrad_moty@hotmail.com
motia@013.net
https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad
ISRAEL



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azrad_moty@hotmail.com
motia@013.net
https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad
ISRAEL



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azrad_moty@hotmail.com
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Re: Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

Sorry, I saw on another email that it was Australian. either way In my opinion it is bad. But I also realize that what one person thinks is bad, another person likes it so I should keep this particular opinion to myself. My apologies.
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:31 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Hi,

Actually, I believe e Speak is supposed to be British?

----- Original Message -----
From: Marie <magpie.mn@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Thursday, 3 September 2015 5:02 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA



I don't think there is anything wrong with your hearing when it comes to
ESpeak. It makes me want to grit my teeth trying to understand it and to
tolerate the very sound of it. I love Australian accents but this is
terrible. I will probably spend more time trying to use and learn NVDA now
that the voice is so much more pleasant.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:07 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Good, I like NVDa; I just can't stand that ESpeak. It's too robotic and the
accent is too sharp. I don't have a problem with real people with Australian
accents; I understand them just fine. Somehow, those voices are just too
something. I've tried running them real slow and still can't get used to
them. Maybe it's my hearing, or, perhaps I just need to try longer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:00 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Glad I could help. Be sure to run the Microsoft runtime file first and then
the zira-pro. I did this while NVDA was running and then went into the
Preferences setting then synthesizers and found the voice. It is responsive
and understandable.
Marie


original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:50 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Never mind, I lied, it did download. I just didn't get the noise I usually
get when something finishes. Thanks for sending me the link again, Marie.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:39 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Monica,
If you download the zip file that was posted earlier, the correct files are
included. I just downloaded it and installed the runtime file and the
zira-pro voice on my desktop and I must say it is a vast improvement over
ESpeak. In case you missed the zip file, here is the link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Txao1DiiuvSXdoT3k0U0hHaHc/view"usp=sharing
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:34 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Is the 86 version on the page, or do have to find that somewhere else? I'm
asking because you said the info was missing.


-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:09 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Gerald,

I hope the below helps. I noticed this info was missing on the page
from the link that was provided earlier.

Microsoft Speech Platform - Runtime (Version 11), x86. Note that you
must install the x86 version even if your system is 64 bit.

Laz

On 9/2/15, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

I installed these two apps, but when I accessed the NVDA Synthesizer
dialog

on the Preferences menu and selected Microsoft Speech Platform in the
combo

box and then clicked Okay, I got an error message that the synthesizer
could

not be loaded. Did I screw something up?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Blaster
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:42 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

You can get the updated speech runtime update and extra voices from this
link:

http://pamgriffith.net/blog/alternative-voices-for-nvda/


I like the zira pro voice myself,
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Re: Large amounts of traffic was considering to start with Apple machines

Laz
 

He won't be doing it on the BlindTech list as long as I'm a mod. Laz

On 9/3/15, rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Well, if he finds it, and you ban him, I wouldn't be surprised if he would
then begin to share all kinds of roomers about the list. But as long as its
not found, he can't. Remember when he called you things front of all of us?
Who knows what he would say about the list?

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Thursday, 3 September 2015 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start
with Apple machines



Whether he finds it or not is irrelevant. As I said he will not be
allowed
on this list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start

with Apple machines


Hi GERALD,
LET's hope he doesn't find this list.
PS. Going to resubscribe, Carlos? :D OK, OK, just joking. :D

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Thursday, 3 September 2015 10:25 pm
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to
start
with Apple machines




You'll be happy to know that your pal, Joseph the Free Tech Guy, is
back
on the Blind Tech list, so its days may be numbered.

Gerald



From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to
start
with Apple machines

And of course, that type of inaction on the part of the list owner in
combination with the most recent issue, is basically the reason I felt

the need to create a new list.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to
start
with Apple machines

People weren't bickering about who can help the best. One member of
the
list insulted other list members repeatedly. If the list had been
properly moderated, the insulting conduct would have been stopped
immediately. As one member who was repeatedly insulted and talked down

to by the member, I resent your characterization. I did not bicker and

whine. If someone publicly talks down to me on a list or states that I

am providing dangerous solutions to problems when they are not,I am
going
to publicly defend myself and others have the right to do so as well.
And it's not just a question of people defending themselves. New
members
come to lists all the time. If someone inaccurately disparages another

members advice, indicating that is dangerous or inadequate when it is
not, then the person who is disparaged should have the right to defend

their answers so that new list members won't form erroneous opinions
about who is giving good advice.

This list, which will be properly moderated, should not have any such
problems.

Gene
----- Origina Message -----

From: Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:01 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start
with Apple machines

Hi, large amount of traffic is not a problem. the problem is is
whenever
people start bickering about who can help the best. That's what got me
to
leave blind tech.

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook....com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

We will try to insure that there is no arguing, whining, and bickering.

Although there's not very much I can do about large amounts of traffic
in
general.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Oh okay, will thank you. I will have to say, Dan if this turns out
anything like what blind take did I'm afraid I will have to leave as I

get way too many emails in the day, to do with the arguing and whining

and bickering

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.....com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

LOL actually I just collected a large list of Emails from old messages

using a bit of scripting, but be assured that I do in fact
remember
you Joseph and you are most certainly welcome here.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Hello, I was not here for the original email and I do have a Mac
computer
matter fact my first one and I'll be more than willing to speak with
you
via any contact below. And trying to help you pick out what is best for

you. So if you wish to talk with me no free to contact me. And
secondly,
I want to thank Carlos for inviting me to his list. I don't know who
gave
him my info to invite me to this list but I do appreciate the invite.

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www..facebook......com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, you might want to join the Mac4theblind list. This is a great email

list and great owner and mod. See link below to join up.

http://www..freelists.org/list/mac4theblind


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:06 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Matt,
I don't thinnk that the MAC will be my first computer' probably not in

the beginning.
I've to learn, to practice and then to choose the better one for me.
I'm sorry that only you had answered my questions.
I wish to get much more info and some tips, which kind of machines of
mac, there are and what is the best for totally blind user who needs
braile too and more.
I hope that more Mac users here will send their help and knowledge.
thanks you any way, Matt.
Moti
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:50 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Applemachines
Is this Mac going to be your work computer? If so what do you do for a

living? I personally don't have a Mac yet been putting it off for ever.

But I think I will be getting my first very soon. As soon as they put
out
the new ones and I sort of leaning toward a Mac mini possible a Mac Air
.
It is not going to be a work computer or even my main computer .but
something to learn and play around with.
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:57 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Thanks Matt.
I wrote to this list in order to get more explanation about the real
difference between the systems of Apple and these of Microsoft.
I do hope to get much more info because as I said, I don't have any
experience with Apple and wish to know whether to start to work with or

not.
thanks for any output here.
Moti
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:23 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Hi, well, there is several ways you can do this install windows on the

Mac. One thru a virtual windows and the other is thru boot camp ....
Which boot camp is fairly like just installing windows like on any hard

drive. I think I would prefer boot camp to a virtual windows but it is
a
choice. Now if you not going to use this thing as your primary machine

you might not want to get the latest and greatest . You might want

to if thinking of a lap top go with the Mac book air the13 inch or the
11
inch. They also have brought back the mac book as well so that might be

worth looking at. But all this being said this late in the year I think
I
would wait for the new ones to come out. JST !
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Dear all,
First, greetings to you all here in the new list and a lot of thanks to

Carlos, who helps all of us everywhere.
Now my thoughts:
I'm using for fourteen years or so the system operation of Microsoft.
Now, I use Win 7 pro and think to upgrade it - when Jaws 17 is out,
soon.
I've two laptops, one is 8 years and the other one is five years old.
I think to start now using the laptop of Apple and as I do understand -

I'mtalking about MACBOOK PRO.
I really wish to get your thoughts, your experience with that machine.
which one do I have to purchase and any other helpful information.
I've read about it but really don't have any experience and the world
and
the way Apple acts with its systems.
Again, I do understand that it is a very general question but any
information, any experience will be greatly appreciated.
I'm totally blind and use Braille Display and it's a very important
point
for me.
I also know that I can install the system of Microsoft on these machine

of Apple and wish to know how really this works.
thanks for any output.
Moti



Moti Azrad Musician & Piano tuner
motiaz@gmail.com
azrad_moty@hotmail.com
motia@013.net
https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad
ISRAEL



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motiaz@gmail.com
azrad_moty@hotmail.com
motia@013.net
https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad
ISRAEL



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motiaz@gmail.com
azrad_moty@hotmail.com
motia@013.net
https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad
ISRAEL






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Re: Large amounts of traffic was considering to start with Apple machines

Laz
 

Now Gerald, he hasn't attacked anyone this time around. Who knows? He
might have changed his ways. If not, then as a moderator I can do
something about it.

laz

On 9/3/15, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

You’ll be happy to know that your pal, Joseph the Free Tech Guy, is back on
the Blind Tech list, so its days may be numbered.

Gerald



From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start
with Apple machines

And of course, that type of inaction on the part of the list owner in
combination with the most recent issue, is basically the reason I felt the
need to create a new list.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start
with Apple machines

People weren't bickering about who can help the best. One member of the
list insulted other list members repeatedly. If the list had been properly
moderated, the insulting conduct would have been stopped immediately. As
one member who was repeatedly insulted and talked down to by the member, I
resent your characterization. I did not bicker and whine. If someone
publicly talks down to me on a list or states that I am providing dangerous
solutions to problems when they are not,I am going to publicly defend myself
and others have the right to do so as well. And it's not just a question of
people defending themselves. New members come to lists all the time. If
someone inaccurately disparages another members advice, indicating that is
dangerous or inadequate when it is not, then the person who is disparaged
should have the right to defend their answers so that new list members won't
form erroneous opinions about who is giving good advice.

This list, which will be properly moderated, should not have any such
problems.

Gene
----- Origina Message -----

From: Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:01 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start with
Apple machines

Hi, large amount of traffic is not a problem. the problem is is whenever
people start bickering about who can help the best. That's what got me to
leave blind tech.

Joseph Hudson
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

We will try to insure that there is no arguing, whining, and bickering.
Although there's not very much I can do about large amounts of traffic in
general.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Oh okay, will thank you. I will have to say, Dan if this turns out
anything like what blind take did I'm afraid I will have to leave as I get
way too many emails in the day, to do with the arguing and whining and
bickering

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
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Telephone
2543007667
Skype
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

LOL actually I just collected a large list of Emails from old
messages using a bit of scripting, but be assured that I do in fact
remember you Joseph and you are most certainly welcome here.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Hello, I was not here for the original email and I do have a Mac
computer matter fact my first one and I'll be more than willing to speak
with you via any contact below. And trying to help you pick out what is best
for you. So if you wish to talk with me no free to contact me. And secondly,
I want to thank Carlos for inviting me to his list. I don't know who gave
him my info to invite me to this list but I do appreciate the invite.

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.....com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi, you might want to join the Mac4theblind list. This is a
great email list and great owner and mod. See link below to join up.

http://www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:06 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Matt,
I don’t thinnk that the MAC will be my first computer’ probably
not in the beginning.
I’ve to learn, to practice and then to choose the better one for
me.
I’m sorry that only you had answered my questions.
I wish to get much more info and some tips, which kind of
machines of mac, there are and what is the best for totally blind user who
needs braile too and more.
I hope that more Mac users here will send their help and
knowledge.
thanks you any way, Matt.
Moti
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:50 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Applemachines
Is this Mac going to be your work computer? If so what do you do
for a living? I personally don’t have a Mac yet been putting it off for
ever. But I think I will be getting my first very soon. As soon as they put
out the new ones and I sort of leaning toward a Mac mini possible a Mac Air
. It is not going to be a work computer or even my main computer .but
something to learn and play around with.
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:57 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Thanks Matt.
I wrote to this list in order to get more explanation about the
real difference between the systems of Apple and these of Microsoft.
I do hope to get much more info because as I said, I don’t have
any experience with Apple and wish to know whether to start to work with or
not.
thanks for any output here.
Moti
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:23 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Hi, well, there is several ways you can do this install windows
on the Mac. One thru a virtual windows and the other is thru boot camp ..
Which boot camp is fairly like just installing windows like on any hard
drive. I think I would prefer boot camp to a virtual windows but it is a
choice. Now if you not going to use this thing as your primary machine you
might not want to get the latest and greatest . You might want to if
thinking of a lap top go with the Mac book air the13 inch or the 11 inch.
They also have brought back the mac book as well so that might be worth
looking at. But all this being said this late in the year I think I would
wait for the new ones to come out. JST !
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
Dear all,
First, greetings to you all here in the new list and a lot of
thanks to Carlos, who helps all of us everywhere.
Now my thoughts:
I’m using for fourteen years or so the system operation of
Microsoft.
Now, I use Win 7 pro and think to upgrade it – when Jaws 17 is
out, soon.
I’ve two laptops, one is 8 years and the other one is five years
old.
I think to start now using the laptop of Apple and as I do
understand – I’mtalking about MACBOOK PRO.
I really wish to get your thoughts, your experience with that
machine.
which one do I have to purchase and any other helpful
information.
I’ve read about it but really don’t have any experience and the
world and the way Apple acts with its systems.
Again, I do understand that it is a very general question but
any information, any experience will be greatly appreciated.
I’m totally blind and use Braille Display and it’s a very
important point for me.
I also know that I can install the system of Microsoft on these
machine of Apple and wish to know how really this works.
thanks for any output.
Moti



Moti Azrad Musician & Piano tuner
motiaz@gmail.com
azrad_moty@hotmail.com
motia@013.net
https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad
ISRAEL



Moti Azrad Musician & Pian tuner
motiaz@gmail.com
azrad_moty@hotmail.com
motia@013.net
https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad
ISRAEL



Moti Azrad Musician & Pian tuner
motiaz@gmail.com
azrad_moty@hotmail.com
motia@013.net
https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad
ISRAEL







--
Affordably priced Accessible Talking MP3 Players, Accessible phones,
Bluetooth devices, and accessories
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Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Talkingmp3players?_rdr


Re: any opinions on windows 10

jldail13@...
 

Hi
What is the name of this book, and where can I find it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin.christensen@gmail..com> wrote:

Hi Bill,

Welcome to the group,

Yes there are a few of us here, I've even written a book on using Windows 10 and setting it up as a blind or low vision user.

Re the player, as others have mentioned, you can use any other player you like. Someone asked about WinAmp yesterday and I found a link explaining how to get that working in Windows 10 (It may work out of the box or you may need to update .net essentially).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On 4/09/2015 3:39 AM, Bill Koppelmann wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'm one of the new guys and am wondering if we have any windows 10 users here.
what I'm particularly wanting to know is can you choose your player of choice to be used instead of that groove music thing? If so, please tell me how I do this.
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Re: Large amounts of traffic was considering to start with Apple machines

Laz
 

Thanks, Carlos! Perhaps once things have settled down you might want
to check in and see how it's going.

Laz

On 9/3/15, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Making you list moderator is probably the smartest move he's made in a long
time Laz. I wish you luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start
with Apple machines


I spoke up for both Carlos and Gene at the time they were being
attacked on the BlindTech list by the free tech guy, which was all I
as just a list member could do at the time. Now that I've been made a
moderator on that list I can assure you that as soon as I see that
type of attack directed at anyone on the list, it shall be dealt with.
I have no idea who was moderating the list at the time those attacks
took place but obviously they weren't paying attention to what was
happening on the list. I had also seen other issues on the list in the
past that should have been handled by a moderator but for whatever
reason weren't.

Mike and I will be getting together shortly to sort out any list rules
issues, but Mike has told me that he does want to make the BlindTech
list friendlier to the list members.

Laz

On 9/3/15, Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@gmail.com> wrote:
Howard, as you can tell, I've change the subject line to reflect the
topic
for this kind of discussion.
Joseph Hudson
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Howard Traxler
<howard@traxlerenterprises.com>
wrote:

Can someone tell me about how this relates to:
considering to start with Apple machines

? So tell me about apple machines


----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to
start
with Apple machines

People weren't bickering about who can help the best. One member of the
list insulted other list members repeatedly. If the list had been
properly moderated, the insulting conduct would have been stopped
immediately. As one member who was repeatedly insulted and talked down
to
by the member, I resent your characterization. I did not bicker and
whine. If someone publicly talks down to me on a list or states that I
am
providing dangerous solutions to problems when they are not,I am going
to
publicly defend myself and others have the right to do so as well. And
it's not just a question of people defending themselves. New members
come
to lists all the time. If someone inaccurately disparages another
members
advice, indicating that is dangerous or inadequate when it is not, then
the person who is disparaged should have the right to defend their
answers
so that new list members won't form erroneous opinions about who is
giving
good advice.

This list, which will be properly moderated, should not have any such
problems.

Gene
----- Origina Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson <mailto:jhud7789@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:01 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start
with
Apple machines

Hi, large amount of traffic is not a problem. the problem is is whenever
people start bickering about who can help the best. That's what got me
to
leave blind tech.
Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789@gmail.com>
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook...com/joseph.hudson.9404
<https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404>
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 <https://twitter.com/josephhudson89>

On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
<mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>> wrote:

We will try to insure that there is no arguing, whining, and bickering..
Although there's not very much I can do about large amounts of traffic
in
general.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson <mailto:jhud7789@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Oh okay, will thank you. I will have to say, Dan if this turns out
anything like what blind take did I'm afraid I will have to leave as I
get way too many emails in the day, to do with the arguing and whining
and bickering
Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789@gmail.com>
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook....com/joseph.hudson.9404
<https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404>
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 <https://twitter.com/josephhudson89>

On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com
<mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>> wrote:

LOL actually I just collected a large list of Emails from old messages
using a bit of scripting, but be assured that I do in fact
remember
you Joseph and you are most certainly welcome here.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson <mailto:jhud7789@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Hello, I was not here for the original email and I do have a Mac
computer matter fact my first one and I'll be more than willing to
speak
with you via any contact below. And trying to help you pick out what
is
best for you. So if you wish to talk with me no free to contact me.
And
secondly, I want to thank Carlos for inviting me to his list. I don't
know who gave him my info to invite me to this list but I do
appreciate
the invite.
Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789@gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789@gmail.com>
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.....com/joseph.hudson.9404
<https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404>
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
<https://twitter.com/josephhudson89>


On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
<mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi, you might want to join the Mac4theblind list. This is a great
email
list and great owner and mod. See link below to join up.

http://www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind
<http://www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind>


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com <mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>

From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com <mailto:motiaz@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:06 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Matt,
I don’t thinnk that the MAC will be my first computer’ probably not
in
the beginning.
I’ve to learn, to practice and then to choose the better one for me.
I’m sorry that only you had answered my questions.
I wish to get much more info and some tips, which kind of machines of
mac, there are and what is the best for totally blind user who needs
braile too and more.
I hope that more Mac users here will send their help and knowledge.
thanks you any way, Matt.
Moti
From: Matt <mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:50 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Applemachines
Is this Mac going to be your work computer? If so what do you do for
a
living? I personally don’t have a Mac yet been putting it off for
ever.
But I think I will be getting my first very soon. As soon as they put
out the new ones and I sort of leaning toward a Mac mini possible a
Mac
Air . It is not going to be a work computer or even my main computer
.but something to learn and play around with.
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com <mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com <mailto:motiaz@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:57 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Thanks Matt.
I wrote to this list in order to get more explanation about the real
difference between the systems of Apple and these of Microsoft.
I do hope to get much more info because as I said, I don’t have any
experience with Apple and wish to know whether to start to work with
or
not.
thanks for any output here.
Moti
From: Matt <mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:23 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Hi, well, there is several ways you can do this install windows on
the
Mac. One thru a virtual windows and the other is thru boot camp .
Which
boot camp is fairly like just installing windows like on any hard
drive. I think I would prefer boot camp to a virtual windows but it
is
a choice. Now if you not going to use this thing as your primary
machine you might not want to get the latest and greatest . You
might want to if thinking of a lap top go with the Mac book air the13
inch or the 11 inch. They also have brought back the mac book as well
so that might be worth looking at. But all this being said this late
in
the year I think I would wait for the new ones to come out. JST !
Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com <mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@gmail.com <mailto:motiaz@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Dear all,
First, greetings to you all here in the new list and a lot of thanks
to
Carlos, who helps all of us everywhere.
Now my thoughts:
I’m using for fourteen years or so the system operation of Microsoft.
Now, I use Win 7 pro and think to upgrade it – when Jaws 17 is out,
soon.
I’ve two laptops, one is 8 years and the other one is five years old.
I think to start now using the laptop of Apple and as I do
understand –
I’mtalking about MACBOOK PRO.
I really wish to get your thoughts, your experience with that
machine..
which one do I have to purchase and any other helpful information.
I’ve read about it but really don’t have any experience and the world
and the way Apple acts with its systems.
Again, I do understand that it is a very general question but any
information, any experience will be greatly appreciated.
I’m totally blind and use Braille Display and it’s a very important
point for me.
I also know that I can install the system of Microsoft on these
machine
of Apple and wish to know how really this works.
thanks for any output.
Moti



Moti Azrad Musician & Piano tuner
motiaz@gmail.com <mailto:motiaz@gmail.com>
azrad_moty@hotmail.com <mailto:azrad_moty@hotmail.com>
motia@013.net <mailto:motia@013.net>
https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad
<https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad>
ISRAEL



Moti Azrad Musician & Pia tuner
motiaz@gmail.com <mailto:motiaz@gmail.com>
azrad_moty@hotmail.com <mailto:azrad_moty@hotmail.com>
motia@013.net <mailto:motia@013.net>
https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad
<https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad>
ISRAEL



Moti Azrad Musician & Pia tuner
motiaz@gmail.com <mailto:motiaz@gmail.com>
azrad_moty@hotmail.com <mailto:azrad_moty@hotmail.com>
motia@013.net <mailto:motia@013.net>
https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad
<https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad>
ISRAEL

--
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Bluetooth devices, and accessories
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Email: laz@talkingmp3players.com
Phone: 727-498-0121
Skype: lazmesa
Personal Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/laz.mesa
Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Talkingmp3players?_rdr






--
Affordably priced Accessible Talking MP3 Players, Accessible phones,
Bluetooth devices, and accessories
http://www.talkingmp3players.com/
Email: laz@talkingmp3players.com
Phone: 727-498-0121
Skype: lazmesa
Personal Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/laz.mesa
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