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Re: tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

Dave Mitchel <dbmitchel@...>
 

JoAnn, I did mine over a period of a couple of years. I found the programs or installed them llllllusually by myself. with WE it was more difficult as it does not always read the screen. I would find a program and using the context key send a short cut to desk top.
 
Patience was something I used a lot of in learning W8.1 especially after going from XP to it.
I walked away from my W8 computer more than once and was so happy that 8.1 came out and was a much better system.
you can write to me privately if you choose and I’ll try to walk you through things.
 
 

From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?
 
Dave or others:  I had heard Windows 8.1 has no start menu that's accessible.  So when you put your programs on the desktop you'd recommend every program I use, since supposedly I won't be able to get to an actual start menu?  And did you find your programs by yourself or do I need to get sighted help finding my favorite programs?  I also heard there's some kind of annoying bar that pops up; can any tool bars that might get in the way be removed?
 
?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?
 
I use W8.1 and the first thing I did was send shortcuts for my programs to the desktop.
I use windows Live mail and find it very easy to use and navigate. I use window eyes (which I will not recommend) and NVDA. I do not have classic shell installed that I know of. I know I did not install it and I am the only one here to have done it.
I use the 64 bit W8.1 and there are a couple of my old programs (such as booksplit) which I continue to use.
Dave
 
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 9:32 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?
 
I am going to be using Windows 8 on my laptop, and I know that one thing I will do to make it read better and easier to find programs is to install Classic Shell.  I use Jaws 16 and NVDA, and I prefer a very straightforward way to find programs or use the Internet which involves as many list views as possible.  Besides the suggestion I was given to use Classic Shell, are there other tips you can give to make this a way to navigate it so it works for me like 7 or even XP as far as the look or style of the program?  I will also be using Outlook Express or Windows Mail, whichever program you may recommend as being more stable.  Any help is very much appreciated.
 
Joanne


Re: Directed messages

Carlos
 

I should have read through the message more carefully before responding.  To clarify, I agree that adding names to subject lines may not be a good practice, but I also agree with Gene that replying to the person privately is not the solution.  The solution is simply not to add names to subject lines.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages

That is not a solution unless the person really does want to take a topic off list.  Often the person wants to keep the discussion on list but wants to make sure the person sees it.  Anyone who took the trouble to answer a message will continue to follow the thread.  The subject line does not need to contain their name.  Subject lines should not be changed unless a new thread is started.  If someone wants to direct a questsion to someone by name and keep the discussion on list, leave the subject the same.  At the start of the main message body, write the person's name such as Gene.  Or unless you only want gene to answer, use something like Gene and all.  Gene and all or some variation is usually better because that doesn't discourage others from answering.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:58 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Directed messages

Believe me, it is not my desire to cause a problem.  But I am starting to see a problem on this list that frustrated me on the other list, specifically Blindtech.  I am talking about the practice of directing messages to a specific individual in the subject line.  I respectfully suggest that if anyone wants to direct his message to an individual that he do so via private email.  I say that because it screws up the sorting of threads badly when the actual subject is preceeded by the name of an individual.
 
Don Roberts
 


Re: Directed messages

Gene
 

That is not a solution unless the person really does want to take a topic off list.  Often the person wants to keep the discussion on list but wants to make sure the person sees it.  Anyone who took the trouble to answer a message will continue to follow the thread.  The subject line does not need to contain their name.  Subject lines should not be changed unless a new thread is started.  If someone wants to direct a questsion to someone by name and keep the discussion on list, leave the subject the same.  At the start of the main message body, write the person's name such as Gene.  Or unless you only want gene to answer, use something like Gene and all.  Gene and all or some variation is usually better because that doesn't discourage others from answering.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:58 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Directed messages

Believe me, it is not my desire to cause a problem.  But I am starting to see a problem on this list that frustrated me on the other list, specifically Blindtech.  I am talking about the practice of directing messages to a specific individual in the subject line.  I respectfully suggest that if anyone wants to direct his message to an individual that he do so via private email.  I say that because it screws up the sorting of threads badly when the actual subject is preceeded by the name of an individual.
 
Don Roberts
 


Re: Directed messages

joseph hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Hey Carlos, you make me an admin I'll help you full your rules. I've done this to Chris already a couple of times. Talking about Chris Holdsworth.
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On Sep 4, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

I agree with this and I would also like to emphasize keeping subject lines consistent in general.  I.E. If you would like to begin a different discussion, simply start with a new message.  Or if what you have to say is at least related to the thread to which you are responding, but may significantly side track the conversation, at least change the subject to reflect this.  I will have to work to follow this rule myself since I have not always been careful enough in this respect.
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:58 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Directed messages

Believe me, it is not my desire to cause a problem.  But I am starting to see a problem on this list that frustrated me on the other list, specifically Blindtech.  I am talking about the practice of directing messages to a specific individual in the subject line.  I respectfully suggest that if anyone wants to direct his message to an individual that he do so via private email.  I say that because it screws up the sorting of threads badly when the actual subject is preceeded by the name of an individual.
 
Don Roberts
 


Re: What's Up With Directions for Me?

Onwardbob
 

Glad to hear that it worked out for you. We have TJ's here in Southern California, it's an awesome store full of goodies.

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:10 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What's Up With Directions for Me?


I tried the Safeway site, but could not find many of the products I normally buy because they are distributed regionally, mostly east of the Mississippi.
But I discovered that Wegmans.com, which is based in upstate New York and was recently rated by Consumer Reports as the best supermarket chain in the country, does indeed list cooking instructions for most of the products I buy. They are even planning to open their first store in New York City in the near future, but it will be located on the site of the former Brooklyn Navy Yard, which is difficult to reach by public transit from where I live.
But at least I can shop downtown at Trader Joe's, which was also top-rated by Consumer Reports, and is easy to reach by subway. It is way better than the International Fine Fare supermarket right across the street from my apartment complex whose rude customer service, cluttered aisles and high prices are anything but fine. But where else can I find a live lobster tank? I wave to the critters every time I pass the seafood counter. But at $21 a pound, lobster is definitely not in my diet plans. LOL!

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Onwardbob
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:05 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What's Up With Directions for Me?

If you don't mind a back door work around try the Safeway grocery delivery at https://shop.safeway.com/ecom/account/sign-in/
If Safeway doesn't actually deliver in your area you could still open an account using a zip code from an area where they do such as 92832. Included in the Product Info area for each product they carry is the product directions. I highly recommend the Safeway online shopping service. I find it easy to work with. The selection is as good as in their stores even if the prices aren't always the lowest possible. The delivery charge is reasonable and can frequently be avoided altogether.

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob [mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 9:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What's Up With Directions for Me?

Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

Since Directions for Me is apparently not functioning at the present time, is there any other web site for obtaining cooking instructions for specific products, or any other work around aside from asking a sighted person to read them directly from the package?

Try the UPC. If you have a bar code scanner, log into the digit-eyes database. They will sometimes link you to product pages.


changing system time and date

Adrien Collins <adriencollins22160@...>
 

Hi

I am Just curious. When I was in the Uk in July, I changed
the system time and date or time zone, I am in France which
is an hour ahead of the UK. For some strange reason, when I
changed the time etc, my antivirus and a few other programs
would not up-date, I had to reinstall it, it was avira, I
will be moving back to the uk permanently shortly and will
need to change the date etc, what is the best way around
this? Why did it affect some of my programs when it came to
up-dating? I was using three 4g broadband and my laptop with
windows 7 pro. I only have the windows firewall running.

Adrien


Regards

Adrien


Re: Directed messages

Carlos
 

I agree with this and I would also like to emphasize keeping subject lines consistent in general.  I.E. If you would like to begin a different discussion, simply start with a new message.  Or if what you have to say is at least related to the thread to which you are responding, but may significantly side track the conversation, at least change the subject to reflect this.  I will have to work to follow this rule myself since I have not always been careful enough in this respect.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:58 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Directed messages

Believe me, it is not my desire to cause a problem.  But I am starting to see a problem on this list that frustrated me on the other list, specifically Blindtech.  I am talking about the practice of directing messages to a specific individual in the subject line.  I respectfully suggest that if anyone wants to direct his message to an individual that he do so via private email.  I say that because it screws up the sorting of threads badly when the actual subject is preceeded by the name of an individual.
 
Don Roberts
 


Re: what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

Gene
 

The feature is in the view menu.  When you are on a web page with an article, open the view menu, alt v, and down arrow to an item that says open reader view.  Press enter to have the article shown in that view.  I haven't played with the feature much and I don't remember how to return from reader view.  I believe that using the back command or following a book mark or typing a web address in the address bar, then following it, I think all these methods will leave reader view.  I'm not sure how you leave it while staying on the page you are currently on.  I'd have to experiment and see.
 
Gene----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

Oh thanks, Gene.  I'd be interested in what this feature is called.  I have tried using Fire Fox and it doesn't seem as straightforward as I.E. but I want to learn it.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

Webbie is a browser developed for blind people.  It had some use years ago when some people were using primitive screen-readers like the one called Thunder that had no browse mode and no effective way of working with web pages using a regular browser and before NVDA was developed.  There is little or no reason to use it now, especially since the one somewhat useful feature I know about is now available in Firefox.  Webbie has a feature that removes links from web pages and let's you read an article without lots of links in the middle and at the beginning of the page.  But now, firefox has a very similar feature.  I'd have to look at it again before discussing it further. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:35 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

A friend is installing Windows 8 and asked if I wanted something called Web I.e. which he apparently found in a past version of Windows.  I don't know what it is but he wondered if it makes Internet Explorer more responsive, or if it's an obsolete program and doesn't work with higher versions of I.E.
 
Joanne


Re: Headphones not working

Carlos
 

Hi Mike,
The problem is that he is referring to the built-in headphone jack, not a USB headset.  And the headphone jack may not always be displayed as a separate audio device by Windows depending on the sound card.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Headphones not working

Hi Walt,
 
If you choose the headset as the default soundcard, all sounds will come through the headset, with Jaws anyways.  With Jaws, whenever you plug a USB headset in, Jaws is supposed to see it as the default soundcard from what I understand.  1 thing I didn't realize when I posted my earlier reply was that Bill said he plugged his headset into the headphone jack, so I don't know if he's using a regular jack, or a USB port.  Also, I have Jaws running running through 1 soundcard & my system sounds running through a 2nd soundcard, so I use the steps I spoke of earlier for selecting the Jaws default soundcard, & the Sounds / Playback page to select my soundcard for system sounds.
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Walt Smith
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Headphones not working

Mike -
 
But won't that only cause the headphones to work for JAWS and no other application? Not sure, only asking, since I've never used this, myself -- but since it's a JAWS utility/function, I wonder ......


From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Headphones not working

Hi Bill,
 
I didn't catch what screenreading program you're running, so if you're running Jaws try the following:
1. Open the Jaws context menu.
2. Arrow down to, Utilities, & press enter.
3. Arrow down to, Soundcards submenu, & press enter.
4. Arrow to your headset, however it's listed, & press enter.
HTH
Take care.
Mike


Re: What's Up With Directions for Me?

Gerald Levy
 

I tried the Safeway site, but could not find many of the products I normally buy because they are distributed regionally, mostly east of the Mississippi. But I discovered that Wegmans.com, which is based in upstate New York and was recently rated by Consumer Reports as the best supermarket chain in the country, does indeed list cooking instructions for most of the products I buy. They are even planning to open their first store in New York City in the near future, but it will be located on the site of the former Brooklyn Navy Yard, which is difficult to reach by public transit from where I live. But at least I can shop downtown at Trader Joe's, which was also top-rated by Consumer Reports, and is easy to reach by subway. It is way better than the International Fine Fare supermarket right across the street from my apartment complex whose rude customer service, cluttered aisles and high prices are anything but fine. But where else can I find a live lobster tank? I wave to the critters every time I pass the seafood counter. But at $21 a pound, lobster is definitely not in my diet plans. LOL!

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Onwardbob
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:05 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What's Up With Directions for Me?

If you don't mind a back door work around try the Safeway grocery delivery at https://shop.safeway.com/ecom/account/sign-in/
If Safeway doesn't actually deliver in your area you could still open an account using a zip code from an area where they do such as 92832. Included in the Product Info area for each product they carry is the product directions. I highly recommend the Safeway online shopping service. I find it easy to work with. The selection is as good as in their stores even if the prices aren't always the lowest possible. The delivery charge is reasonable and can frequently be avoided altogether.

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob [mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 9:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What's Up With Directions for Me?

Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

Since Directions for Me is apparently not functioning at the present time, is there any other web site for obtaining cooking instructions for specific products, or any other work around aside from asking a sighted person to read them directly from the package?

Try the UPC. If you have a bar code scanner, log into the digit-eyes database. They will sometimes link you to product pages.


Re: Headphones not working

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Walt,
 
If you choose the headset as the default soundcard, all sounds will come through the headset, with Jaws anyways.  With Jaws, whenever you plug a USB headset in, Jaws is supposed to see it as the default soundcard from what I understand.  1 thing I didn't realize when I posted my earlier reply was that Bill said he plugged his headset into the headphone jack, so I don't know if he's using a regular jack, or a USB port.  Also, I have Jaws running running through 1 soundcard & my system sounds running through a 2nd soundcard, so I use the steps I spoke of earlier for selecting the Jaws default soundcard, & the Sounds / Playback page to select my soundcard for system sounds.
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Walt Smith
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Headphones not working

Mike -
 
But won't that only cause the headphones to work for JAWS and no other application? Not sure, only asking, since I've never used this, myself -- but since it's a JAWS utility/function, I wonder ......


From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Headphones not working

Hi Bill,
 
I didn't catch what screenreading program you're running, so if you're running Jaws try the following:
1. Open the Jaws context menu.
2. Arrow down to, Utilities, & press enter.
3. Arrow down to, Soundcards submenu, & press enter.
4. Arrow to your headset, however it's listed, & press enter.
HTH
Take care.
Mike


Re: Joseph: device manager

Gene
 

I don't think the headset would be listed anywhere.  My understanding is that what is being discussed is not a USB headset.  Rather, it appears a headset that plugs into a standard jack, probably a 1/8 inch jack on the sound card is being discussed.  I don't know whether a new driver might solve the problem but if I'm right about what is being discussed, the headphone won't be listed anywhere.
 
gene

From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Joseph: device manager

If you know the manufacturer and model of your machine, you may also wish to
visit their website to see if they have Windows 10 drivers available for it.
Windows may have installed generic drivers that allow your sound card to
work, but they may not support all features completely or correctly like
audio through the headphone jack.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Koppelmann" <billmeister@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:19 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Joseph: device manager


> Hi Joseph,
> I did just what you suggested and found the device manager and found that
> my drivers are up to date supposedly, but I still can't get the headphone
> jack to work, I wonder just what could I do to resolve this problem. I
> guess it's possible that something is wrong with the jack, but I'd like to
> check other things first. I did go in to the sound area and checked the
> volumes and they all are set at 100, but unlike windows 7, you can't seem
> to press the controll tab to get to another area, so what am I missing
> here.
> Many thanks,
> Bill
>
>
>




Re: Large amounts of traffic was considering to start with Apple machines

joseph hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Hello Carolyn, yeah all tab is probably going to be your best friend at this point. Windows DEO also get you to the desktop as well. There's very many different ways to get the desktop.
Joseph Hudson
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On Sep 4, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

Thank you, Joseph.

The only weird thing I have going on now, and I think someone could just tell me what to do or that it is normal, is so much of the time I have to hit Windows M to get to the Desktop. A lot of the time I hit Alt4 and get to it; sometimes from Outlook, I have to do F4 twice. I was told at JAWS that I'd find that Windows M was going to be one of my best friends. I Alt Tab, because I don't want to shut down leaving something open.

Anyway, thanks, and have a great day.
Best from,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Hudson [mailto:jhud7789@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 11:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Well Carolyn, I'm glad that he did that. But I will tell you, if you need help with outlook for the same type of service that he offered. Except I don't advertise it as being free. If you know that's but I'm here to do is help the member not Hurt the member.

Joseph Hudson
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https://twitter.com/josephhudson89


On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:59 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@... <mailto:4carolyna@...> > wrote:

Joseph helped me a lot to get familiar with Outlook, as well as some more things with my computer. My husband could not believe that someone would be willing to take that kind of time and not charge a dime for it.

I am sorry for the conflict that did develop on Blind Tech.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Laz [mailto:laz@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 6:17 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

Now Gerald, he hasn't attacked anyone this time around. Who knows? He might have changed his ways. If not, then as  a moderator I can do something about it.

laz

On 9/3/15, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@... <mailto:bwaylimited@...> > wrote:



You’ll be happy to know that your pal, Joseph the Free Tech Guy, is
back on the Blind Tech list, so its days may be numbered.

Gerald



From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to
start with Apple machines

And of course, that type of inaction on the part of the list owner in
combination with the most recent issue, is basically the reason I felt
the need to create a new list.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to
start with Apple machines

People weren't bickering about who can help the best.  One member of
the list insulted other list members repeatedly.  If the list had been
properly moderated, the insulting conduct would have been stopped
immediately.  As one member who was repeatedly insulted and talked
down to by the member, I resent your characterization.  I did not
bicker and whine.  If someone publicly talks down to me on a list or
states that I am providing dangerous solutions to problems when they
are not,I am going to publicly defend myself and others have the right
to do so as well.  And it's not just a question of people defending
themselves.  New members come to lists all the time.  If someone
inaccurately disparages another members advice, indicating that is
dangerous or inadequate when it is not, then the person who is
disparaged should have the right to defend their answers so that new list members won't form erroneous opinions about who is giving good advice.

This list, which will be properly moderated, should not have any
such problems.

Gene
----- Origina Message -----

From: Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:01 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to
start with Apple machines

Hi, large amount of traffic is not a problem. the problem is is
whenever people start bickering about who can help the best. That's
what got me to leave blind tech.

Joseph Hudson
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  On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@... <mailto:carlos1106@...> > wrote:

  We will try to insure that there is no arguing, whining, and bickering.
Although there's not very much I can do about large amounts of traffic
in general.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Joseph Hudson
    To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
    Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:39 PM
    Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

    Oh okay, will thank you. I will have to say, Dan if this turns
out anything like what blind take did I'm afraid I will have to leave
as I get way too many emails in the day, to do with the arguing and
whining and bickering

    Joseph Hudson
    Email
    jhud7789@... <mailto:jhud7789@...>
    I device support
    Telephone
    2543007667
    Skype
    joseph.hudson89 facebook
    https://www.facebook....com/joseph.hudson.9404
    Twitter
    https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

      On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@... <mailto:carlos1106@...> > wrote:

      LOL actually I just collected a large list of Emails from old
messages using a bit of scripting, but be assured that I do in fact
remember you Joseph and you are most certainly welcome here.
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Joseph Hudson
        To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
        Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:20 PM
        Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines

        Hello, I was not here for the original email and I do have a
Mac computer matter fact my first one and I'll be more than willing to
speak with you via any contact below. And trying to help you pick out
what is best for you. So if you wish to talk with me no free to
contact me. And secondly, I want to thank Carlos for inviting me to
his list. I don't know who gave him my info to invite me to this list but I do appreciate the invite.

        Joseph Hudson
        Email
        jhud7789@... <mailto:jhud7789@...>
        I device support
        Telephone
        2543007667
        Skype
        joseph.hudson89 facebook
        https://www.facebook.....com/joseph.hudson.9404
        Twitter
        https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

          On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Matt
<matt.from.florida@... <mailto:matt.from.florida@...> >
wrote:

          Hi, you might want to join the Mac4theblind list. This is
a great email list and great owner and mod. See link below to join up.

          http://www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind


          Thanks,
          Matt.from.florida@... <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...>

          From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@...]
          Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:06 AM
          To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
          Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
          Matt,
          I don’t thinnk that the MAC will be my first computer’
probably not in the beginning.
          I’ve to learn, to practice and then to choose the better
one for me.
          I’m sorry that only you had answered my questions.
          I wish to get much more info and some tips, which kind of
machines of mac, there are and what is the best for totally blind user
who needs braile too and more.
          I hope that more Mac users here will send their help and
knowledge.
          thanks you any way, Matt.
          Moti
          From: Matt
          Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:50 PM
          To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
          Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Applemachines
          Is this Mac going to be your work computer? If so what do
you do for a living? I personally don’t have a Mac yet been putting it
off for ever. But I think I will be getting my first very soon. As
soon as they put out the new ones and I sort of leaning toward a Mac
mini possible a Mac Air . It is not going to be a work computer or
even my main computer .but something to learn and play around with.
          Thanks,
          Matt.from.florida@... <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...>
          From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@...]
          Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:57 AM
          To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
          Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
          Thanks Matt.
          I wrote to this list in order to get more explanation
about the real difference between the systems of Apple and these of Microsoft.
          I do hope to get much more info because as I said, I don’t
have any experience with Apple and wish to know whether to start to
work with or not.
          thanks for any output here.
          Moti
          From: Matt
          Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:23 AM
          To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
          Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple
machines
          Hi, well, there is several ways you can do this install
windows on the Mac. One thru a virtual windows and the other is thru boot camp ....
Which boot camp is fairly like just installing windows like on any
hard drive.  I think I would prefer boot camp to a virtual windows but
it is a choice. Now if you not going to use this thing as your primary machine you
might not want to get      the latest and greatest . You might want to if
thinking of a lap top go with the Mac book air the13 inch or the 11 inch.
They also have brought back the mac book as well so that might be
worth looking at. But all this being said this late in the year I
think I would wait for the new ones to come out. JST !
          Thanks,
          Matt.from.florida@... <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...>
          From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@...]
          Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:46 PM
          To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
          Subject: [TechTalk] considering to start          with Apple
machines
          Dear all,
          First, greetings to you all here in the new list and a lot
of thanks to Carlos, who helps all of us everywhere.
          Now my thoughts:
          I’m using for fourteen years or so the system operation of
Microsoft.
          Now, I use Win 7 pro and think to upgrade it – when Jaws
17 is out, soon.
          I’ve two laptops, one is 8 years and the other one is five
years old.
          I think to start now using the laptop of Apple and as I do
understand – I’mtalking about MACBOOK PRO.
          I really wish to get your thoughts, your experience with
that machine.
          which one do I have to purchase and any other helpful
information.
          I’ve read about it but really don’t have any experience
and the world and the way Apple acts with its systems.
          Again, I do understand that it is a very general question
but any information, any experience will be greatly appreciated.
          I’m totally blind and use Braille Display and it’s a very
important point for me.
          I also know that I can install the system of Microsoft on
these machine of Apple and wish to know how really this works.
          thanks for any output.
          Moti



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Re: tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

Gene
 

Here is the link to the ribbons discussion. 
You will see a reference to split buttons.  If you want an explanation of split buttons, ask here. 
 
Also, the material I provided only takes a few minutes to read, though to actually do what is described will take longer.  but the point is that is not much commitment of time. 
 
Since I don't use Windows 8, I'll let others address the list and details problem. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

Yes I would like to see your first chapter.  That would help a lot, but what I meant by list views is that some programs or folders may no longer have the option of sort by list, and when it's put to, say, details it doesn't read the way I'm used to reading.  And this will open a can of worms but I won't work with ribbons because it looked really confusing in the newer Windows Live Mail, and I don't know what their purpose is.  I tried using the Jaws ribbon option but it just didn't make sense, which is one big reason I stick with Windows Mail and Outlook Express.  So anything you have that could help with the Internet will be appreciated.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

I don't know what you mean by wanting as many list views as possible.  You will be a much better Internet user and be able to do more and better by learning how to navigate efficiently with the page, and not rely on artificial structures some screen-readers provide as options.  There are good tutorials for learning how to use the Internet well and not be hampered on artificial structures.  I did a tutorial which is somewhat out of date by now but the first chapter, discussing the basics of web page navigation is still relevant, though some examples are no longer online.  But even though they are not there, listening to how I work with them may well give you a good idea.  If you want to listen to the first chapter, let me know and I'll upload the first chapter with some sample pages I use. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 9:32 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?
 
I am going to be using Windows 8 on my laptop, and I know that one thing I will do to make it read better and easier to find programs is to install Classic Shell.  I use Jaws 16 and NVDA, and I prefer a very straightforward way to find programs or use the Internet which involves as many list views as possible.  Besides the suggestion I was given to use Classic Shell, are there other tips you can give to make this a way to navigate it so it works for me like 7 or even XP as far as the look or style of the program?  I will also be using Outlook Express or Windows Mail, whichever program you may recommend as being more stable.  Any help is very much appreciated.
 
Joanne


Directed messages

Donald L. Roberts
 

Believe me, it is not my desire to cause a problem.  But I am starting to see a problem on this list that frustrated me on the other list, specifically Blindtech.  I am talking about the practice of directing messages to a specific individual in the subject line.  I respectfully suggest that if anyone wants to direct his message to an individual that he do so via private email.  I say that because it screws up the sorting of threads badly when the actual subject is preceeded by the name of an individual.
 
Don Roberts
 


Re: tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

joanne
 

I appreciate your help, Gene, and I will indeed listen to the tutorials.  I do feel like one of those who doesn't want to leave my comfort zone as far as the way things are done as programs change; but at the same time I taught myself a lot about computers and I will certainly experiment and see what I think.
 
Thank you.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

I'll send you a discussion of how to work with ribbons that I wrote.  I'm not saying you should or shouldn't work with ribbons but I am saying that I hope you read and try what I explain.  the point isn't to get you to work with ribbons.  The point is that I hope the experience shows you that something you look at without proper explanation may seem confusing but that that is not necessarily a reason to reject the thing.  It may be a reason to ask on a list with knowledgeable users like this one, for an explanation or where to find good information.   
 
I'll have the ribbons information available in about twenty minutes.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

Yes I would like to see your first chapter.  That would help a lot, but what I meant by list views is that some programs or folders may no longer have the option of sort by list, and when it's put to, say, details it doesn't read the way I'm used to reading.  And this will open a can of worms but I won't work with ribbons because it looked really confusing in the newer Windows Live Mail, and I don't know what their purpose is.  I tried using the Jaws ribbon option but it just didn't make sense, which is one big reason I stick with Windows Mail and Outlook Express.  So anything you have that could help with the Internet will be appreciated.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

I don't know what you mean by wanting as many list views as possible.  You will be a much better Internet user and be able to do more and better by learning how to navigate efficiently with the page, and not rely on artificial structures some screen-readers provide as options.  There are good tutorials for learning how to use the Internet well and not be hampered on artificial structures.  I did a tutorial which is somewhat out of date by now but the first chapter, discussing the basics of web page navigation is still relevant, though some examples are no longer online.  But even though they are not there, listening to how I work with them may well give you a good idea.  If you want to listen to the first chapter, let me know and I'll upload the first chapter with some sample pages I use. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 9:32 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?
 
I am going to be using Windows 8 on my laptop, and I know that one thing I will do to make it read better and easier to find programs is to install Classic Shell.  I use Jaws 16 and NVDA, and I prefer a very straightforward way to find programs or use the Internet which involves as many list views as possible.  Besides the suggestion I was given to use Classic Shell, are there other tips you can give to make this a way to navigate it so it works for me like 7 or even XP as far as the look or style of the program?  I will also be using Outlook Express or Windows Mail, whichever program you may recommend as being more stable.  Any help is very much appreciated.
 
Joanne


Re: Headphones not working

Walt Smith
 

Mike -
 
But won't that only cause the headphones to work for JAWS and no other application? Not sure, only asking, since I've never used this, myself -- but since it's a JAWS utility/function, I wonder .....



From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Headphones not working

Hi Bill,
 
I didn't catch what screenreading program you're running, so if you're running Jaws try the following:
1. Open the Jaws context menu.
2. Arrow down to, Utilities, & press enter.
3. Arrow down to, Soundcards submenu, & press enter.
4. Arrow to your headset, however it's listed, & press enter.
HTH
Take care.
Mike


Re: Carlos: thunderbird

Carlos
 

Hi Bill,
Someone else will have to help you with that one since I don't use Thunderbird myself.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Koppelmann" <billmeister@samobile.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:24 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Carlos: thunderbird


Hi Carlos,
I do have thunderbird on this computer, but I don't know how to set it up to use charter as they don't use the pop3 system as many other cable companies do. Is there a way you can give me a step by step direction for when you're in the tools area or whatever they call it so you can set it up?
thanks,
Bill


Re: Joseph: device manager

Carlos
 

If you know the manufacturer and model of your machine, you may also wish to visit their website to see if they have Windows 10 drivers available for it. Windows may have installed generic drivers that allow your sound card to work, but they may not support all features completely or correctly like audio through the headphone jack.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Koppelmann" <billmeister@samobile.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:19 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Joseph: device manager


Hi Joseph,
I did just what you suggested and found the device manager and found that my drivers are up to date supposedly, but I still can't get the headphone jack to work, I wonder just what could I do to resolve this problem. I guess it's possible that something is wrong with the jack, but I'd like to check other things first. I did go in to the sound area and checked the volumes and they all are set at 100, but unlike windows 7, you can't seem to press the controll tab to get to another area, so what am I missing here.
Many thanks,
Bill


Re: Headphones not working

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Bill,
 
I didn't catch what screenreading program you're running, so if you're running Jaws try the following:
1. Open the Jaws context menu.
2. Arrow down to, Utilities, & press enter.
3. Arrow down to, Soundcards submenu, & press enter.
4. Arrow to your headset, however it's listed, & press enter.
HTH
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Walt Smith
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 10:53 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Headphones not working

Bill -

You should also look into the Sound dialog > Playback tab: at least, in
Windows 7, that's where you have to select your default playback output
device. On my Dell tower, I had to make headphones the default here before
the headphone jack would work.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Koppelmann [mailto:billmeister@...]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:19 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Joseph: device manager

Hi Joseph,
I did just what you suggested and found the device manager and found
that my drivers are up to date supposedly, but I still can't get the
headphone jack to work, I wonder just what could I do to resolve this
problem. I guess it's possible that something is wrong with the jack,
but I'd like to check other things first. I did go in to the sound area
and checked the volumes and they all are set at 100, but unlike windows
7, you can't seem to press the controll tab to get to another area, so
what am I missing here.
Many thanks,
Bill



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