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Re: Assigning admins/moderators, was: (Directed messages)

amanda burt
 

I agree.  I've also been a moderator and if people don't agree or there is a miscomunication things can get hary but, I must say Carlos, you're doing an excelent job.  You're not coming down hard on someone if they shouldn't have posted something.  People don't like that as we've found out on the other list smiles.  Just carry on the way you're doing and, there seem to be a lot of people who will give you advice.
 
Amanda

From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Assigning admins/moderators, was: (Directed messages)

Hi Joseph,
I appreciate the offer and I may or may not assign moderators at some point, but for now I would like the experience of doing it myself before handing over the responsibility to someone else.  Especially since this is my first time running a mail list.  Also, I think choosing a moderator is something that should be done with caution and careful consideration.  Too often I have seen problems caused when a moderator says something or handles a particular situation in a manner that conflicts with the opinion of the list owner.  If the correct person is not chosen and the moderator and list owner do not communicate or are simply not of like minds, I believe this is inevitable.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages

Hey Carlos, you make me an admin I'll help you full your rules. I've done this to Chris already a couple of times. Talking about Chris Holdsworth.
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On Sep 4, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

I agree with this and I would also like to emphasize keeping subject lines consistent in general.  I.E. If you would like to begin a different discussion, simply start with a new message.  Or if what you have to say is at least related to the thread to which you are responding, but may significantly side track the conversation, at least change the subject to reflect this.  I will have to work to follow this rule myself since I have not always been careful enough in this respect.
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:58 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Directed messages

Believe me, it is not my desire to cause a problem.  But I am starting to see a problem on this list that frustrated me on the other list, specifically Blindtech.  I am talking about the practice of directing messages to a specific individual in the subject line.  I respectfully suggest that if anyone wants to direct his message to an individual that he do so via private email.  I say that because it screws up the sorting of threads badly when the actual subject is preceeded by the name of an individual.
 
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Re: Directed messages

Cristóbal
 

Thread hijacking, one word responses (I.E. Thanks, ok, sure, etc.) trolling,
intentionally going off topic (thinking by simply putting OT makes it ok)
are all list manners no-nos.
What you list owners do is appreciated even though some do it better than
others... There's no way I'd be able to keep my sanity with running a list.
I'd probably try to reach through the screen after the third day to pop
someone in the chin who refuses to comply.
Good luck to you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:05 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages

And as I'm discovering the bane of a list owner's existence as well LOL.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cristóbal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Thread hijacking... The bane of a list member's existance.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:43 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages

Hi,
If let's say, I speak about IPhone, and you then ask about the differences
between apple and android, yes, that is related. But I often see someone
asking something about gmail, and there's something totally unrelated
below.
Literally, all that needs to be done, is a select all, and delete.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages



I agree that you should start with a new message/subject if the topic is
completely unrelated to the original one, but I believe that modifying
the
subject with a reference to the original topic is acceptable if it is at
least related.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Hi,
Can I add 2 things, please?
Keep the original message, and if possible, please, when you start a
new
subject, and if a new thread, please, start a new message. I never
liked
when the subject says microwaves, but turns out that the microwaves
message became a new thread from used laptops, let's say.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages



I agree with this and I would also like to emphasize keeping subject
lines consistent in general. I.E. If you would like to begin a
different
discussion, simply start with a new message. Or if what you have to
say
is at least related to the thread to which you are responding, but may
significantly side track the conversation, at least change the subject
to
reflect this. I will have to work to follow this rule myself since I
have not always been careful enough in this respect.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:58 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Believe me, it is not my desire to cause a problem. But I am starting
to
see a problem on this list that frustrated me on the other list,
specifically Blindtech. I am talking about the practice of directing
messages to a specific individual in the subject line. I respectfully
suggest that if anyone wants to direct his message to an individual
that
he do so via private email. I say that because it screws up the
sorting
of threads badly when the actual subject is preceeded by the name of
an
individual.

Don Roberts

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Re: Windows Defender

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

It must be accessible. Its one of the less cluttered virus stuff.

On 04/09/2015, Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Windows defender is not accessible.
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On Sep 4, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Monica Jones <monicaj391@comcast.net> wrote:

I opened Defender on my computer a week or so ago and couldn't get
anything from it. Jaws wasn't giving me any information; I couldn't tell
if something was keeping it from working, or, or it just wasn't
accessible. I had heard someone say before that it was, so I wanted to see
what it does.


-----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:03 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Strange issue with Microsoft security essentials

This is interesting information. Just this afternoon, we contacted
Freedom
Scientific, because my McAfee that came with the computer is about to
expire. My husband has been pleased with Windows Defender for nearly two
years. He wanted to be sure that there would be no conflict with JAWS,
and
he and I both talked to Eric in Customer Service, who said that Windows
Defender and JAWS were compatible. I wonder if there is something else
more
JAWS friendly. I tried to find that out from him, but I can understand
his
position. He can say if something will or won't work, but cannot endorse
anything, since his job is support for JAWS.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Blaster [mailto:blaster@samobile.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 7:40 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Strange issue with microsoft security essentials

My scan slows down at the same general area, 85%. Then out of nowhere it
starts back up at normal speed and finishes. just let it run a while and
see if it completes the scans.

Blaster







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Re: Large amounts of traffic was considering to start with Apple machines

Monica Jones
 

I understand, Joseph, many bring something to the table. I know lots but there’s always lots more I can learn. I love learning; it keeps things interesting.
 
 

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:01 PM
Subject: Large amounts of traffic was [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
 
Hi, large amount of traffic is not a problem. the problem is is whenever people start bickering about who can help the best. That's what got me to leave blind tech.
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
 
We will try to insure that there is no arguing, whining, and bickering.  Although there's not very much I can do about large amounts of traffic in general.
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
 
Oh okay, will thank you. I will have to say, Dan if this turns out anything like what blind take did I'm afraid I will have to leave as I get way too many emails in the day, to do with the arguing and whining and bickering
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
 
LOL actually I just collected a large list of Emails from old messages using a bit of scripting, but be assured that I do in fact      remember you Joseph and you are most certainly welcome here.
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
 
Hello, I was not here for the original email and I do have a Mac computer matter fact my first one and I'll be more than willing to speak with you via any contact below. And trying to help you pick out what is best for you. So if you wish to talk with me no free to contact me. And secondly, I want to thank Carlos for inviting me to his list. I don't know who gave him my info to invite me to this list but I do appreciate the invite.
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
 
Hi, you might want to join the Mac4theblind list. This is a great email list and great owner and mod. See link below to join up.
 
 
 
 
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@...] 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:06 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Matt,
I don’t thinnk that the MAC will be my first computer’ probably not in the beginning.
I’ve to learn, to practice and then to choose the better one for me.
I’m sorry that only you had answered my questions.
I wish to get much more info and some tips, which kind of machines of mac, there are and what is the best for totally blind user who needs braile too and more.
I hope that more Mac users here will send their help and knowledge.
thanks you any way, Matt.
Moti 
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Applemachines
Is this Mac going to be your work computer? If so what do you do for a living? I personally don’t have a Mac yet been putting it off for ever. But I think I will be getting my first very soon. As soon as they put out the new ones and I sort of leaning toward a Mac mini possible a Mac Air . It is not going to be a work computer or even my main computer .but something to learn and play around with.
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@...] 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:57 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Thanks Matt.
I wrote to this list in order to get more explanation about the real difference between the systems of Apple and these of Microsoft.
I do hope to get much more info because as I said, I don’t have any experience with Apple and wish to know whether to start to work with or not.
thanks for any output here.
Moti
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines
Hi, well, there is several ways you can do this install windows on the Mac. One thru a virtual windows and the other is thru boot camp . Which boot camp is fairly like just installing windows like on any hard drive.  I think I would prefer boot camp to a virtual windows but it is a choice. Now if you not going to use this thing as your primary machine you might not want to get      the latest and greatest . You might want to if thinking of a lap top go with the Mac book air the13 inch or the 11 inch. They also have brought back the mac book as well so that might be worth looking at. But all this being said this late in the year I think I would wait for the new ones to come out. JST !
From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] considering to start          with Apple machines
Dear all,
First, greetings to you all here in the new list and a lot of thanks to Carlos, who helps all of us everywhere.
Now my thoughts:
I’m using for fourteen years or so the system operation of Microsoft.
Now, I use Win 7 pro and think to upgrade it – when Jaws 17 is out, soon.
I’ve two laptops, one is 8 years and the other one is five years old.
I think to start now using the laptop of Apple and as I do understand – I’mtalking about MACBOOK PRO.
I really wish to get your thoughts, your experience with that machine.
which one do I have to purchase and any other helpful information.
I’ve read about it but really don’t have any experience and the world and the way Apple acts with its systems.
Again, I do understand that it is a very general question but any information, any experience will be greatly appreciated.
I’m totally blind and use Braille Display and it’s a very important point for me.
I also know that I can install the system of Microsoft on these machine of Apple and wish to know how really this works.
thanks for any output.
Moti



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Re: FW: Broken Link

Carlos
 

I took care of it Joseph.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 5:06 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] FW: Broken Link


Hi Carlos and others,
Can you help this person offlist? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Bucher [mailto:bigmancomputing@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 2:04 PM
To: joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Broken Link

Hi Joseph,
Since you are involved with NVDA, I thought you might have seen this:
Top Tech Tidbits for Thursday, September 3, 2015 - Volume 524 This page
gives links to the "Talking Windows Preinstall Environment" which enables
blind users to install Windows indepdently:
http://www.handiham.org/drupal2/node/436

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: "'Keith Bucher'" <bigmancomputing@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, September 4, 2015 4:40 pm
Subject: RE: Broken Link



Hi,
Hmmm, I don't know about that file, sorry (perhaps you asked the wrong
Joseph).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Bucher [mailto:bigmancomputing@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 1:40 PM
To: joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
Subject: Broken Link

Hi Joseph,
When I go to http://helpbird.blogspot.com/ and attempt to download the
Installing Windows without sight assistance file by Carlos, the link
does not work. I would really like to have this file. Is there
anywhere else I can download it? Thanks.


Re: Essential iPhone training

Monica Jones
 

Thanks bunches for these links. I think I may have some, but I'm saving them all just in case. I have a folder on my computer for sites that I want to look at and/or keep. If I like them, I put them in my browser favs, but I keep the links in the folder in case I change browsers or somehow lose the favorite.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:17 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Essential iPhone training

Hi, check out the blind geek zone site. It has lots of podcast on the Mac
by a person called Mike you can also check out the BCT )Blind Cool Tech )
archives on the site as well it has podcast on the mac as well by mike and
others. I will post the link to the BGZ site. Also check out the
Mac4theblind list and site it has lots of helpful members and such on the
site by John the owner of the site and email list. See links below.

http://www.blind-geek-zone.net/

http://www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind

this next link is Apple vis podcast interview with John and I think you will
find some good info in it as well. John owns the mac4theblind.


http://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/AppleVisPodcast778.mp3

Also check out David Woodbridge podcast as well just google them or go to
Vision Australia site and you can find them there. See link to him and
Vision Australia below.

http://www.visionaustralia.org/living-with-low-vision/learning-to-live-indep
endently/using-technology-and-computers/help-yourself!-technology-podcasts-a
nd-resources/computer-access


Thanks,
Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:52 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Essential iPhone training

Hi,
OK, thanks. Any apple getting started audio? I already checked applevis,
miserably failed. And I already checked the android getting started. I now
want to check out apple.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Hallsworth <challsworth2@icloud.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Thursday, 3 September 2015 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Essential iPhone training



They are only written tutorials. Well worth a read though.
On 3 Sep 2015, at 21:39, rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Does that voiceover-easy.net only have written, or do they have audio
tutorials?

----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Scott <terryscott@samobile.net>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Thursday, 3 September 2015 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Essential iPhone training



Hi I found this is a grate place also. Voiceover Easy Home Page


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Re: Windows Defender

joseph hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Hi, Windows defender is not accessible.
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On Sep 4, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Monica Jones <monicaj391@...> wrote:

I opened Defender on my computer a week or so ago and couldn't get anything from it. Jaws wasn't giving me any information; I couldn't tell if something was keeping it from working, or, or it just wasn't accessible. I had heard someone say before that it was, so I wanted to see what it does.


-----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:03 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Strange issue with Microsoft security essentials

This is interesting information. Just this afternoon, we contacted Freedom
Scientific, because my McAfee that came with the computer is about to
expire. My husband has been pleased with Windows Defender for nearly two
years. He wanted to be sure that there would be no conflict with JAWS, and
he and I both talked to Eric in Customer Service, who said that Windows
Defender and JAWS were compatible. I wonder if there is something else more
JAWS friendly. I tried to find that out from him, but I can understand his
position. He can say if something will or won't work, but cannot endorse
anything, since his job is support for JAWS.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Blaster [mailto:blaster@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 7:40 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Strange issue with microsoft security essentials

My scan slows down at the same general area, 85%.  Then out of nowhere it
starts back up at normal speed and finishes.  just let it run a while and
see if it completes the scans.

Blaster







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Twitter, @Monni52
Skype, Monnirose52
Facebook, Monica Rose Jones





Re: Essential iPhone training

Monica Jones
 

Yes, I give this site to new I device users along with AppleVis. This site you gave is very detailed. I wish it had been here when I started.

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Scott
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 2:59 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Essential iPhone training

Hi I found this is a grate place also. Voiceover Easy Home Page



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Re: tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

Gene
 

Here are Chapters 1 and 2 of my Internet tutorial. 
The tutorial was created before NVDA so no NVDA commands are given.  But the concepts of navigation apply.  Many JAWS quick navigation commands also apply to NVDA.  Also, the tutorial was created long before Window-eyes changed its version of browse mode.  Some things, I'm not sure how many, will not apply.  But the information on understanding the structure and how to navigate web pages and forms still applies.  You will have to learn what commands are specifically different in the case of Window-eyes than they used to be and whether anything is different as displayed by Window-eyes.  Accept for some commands, I think you would see the page displayed in a similar way.
 
When using the tutorial, you will see folders that say something like JAWS download files.  Don't work with them.  They contain the various files that make up the web page.  Find and press enter on the files with htm or html extensions.  Don't open gthe folders that say things like JAWS download form or New York Times home page.  Only open the html files you see in the main folder.  The web page will open in your browser.  These are pages as they appeared years ago and they are mostly very different now.  But if you wish, you can follow along and see what I am describing when I work with the pages. 
 
Since the tutorial is old, newer things such as active regions and aria landmarks are not discussed.  If you want, you can learn about them elsewhere.  I haven't used aria landmarks to any extent but being a good Internet user entails knowing how to browse efficiently when such landmarks are not present.  They are not present on a lot of pages. 
 
If you know what I teach in these chapters, I'm not sure aria landmarks matter to any extent in efficient page navigation.  You can see what you think if you learn about landmarks. 
 
Gene

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

Here is the link to the ribbons discussion. 
You will see a reference to split buttons.  If you want an explanation of split buttons, ask here. 
 
Also, the material I provided only takes a few minutes to read, though to actually do what is described will take longer.  but the point is that is not much commitment of time. 
 
Since I don't use Windows 8, I'll let others address the list and details problem. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

Yes I would like to see your first chapter.  That would help a lot, but what I meant by list views is that some programs or folders may no longer have the option of sort by list, and when it's put to, say, details it doesn't read the way I'm used to reading.  And this will open a can of worms but I won't work with ribbons because it looked really confusing in the newer Windows Live Mail, and I don't know what their purpose is.  I tried using the Jaws ribbon option but it just didn't make sense, which is one big reason I stick with Windows Mail and Outlook Express.  So anything you have that could help with the Internet will be appreciated.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

I don't know what you mean by wanting as many list views as possible.  You will be a much better Internet user and be able to do more and better by learning how to navigate efficiently with the page, and not rely on artificial structures some screen-readers provide as options.  There are good tutorials for learning how to use the Internet well and not be hampered on artificial structures.  I did a tutorial which is somewhat out of date by now but the first chapter, discussing the basics of web page navigation is still relevant, though some examples are no longer online.  But even though they are not there, listening to how I work with them may well give you a good idea.  If you want to listen to the first chapter, let me know and I'll upload the first chapter with some sample pages I use. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 9:32 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?
 
I am going to be using Windows 8 on my laptop, and I know that one thing I will do to make it read better and easier to find programs is to install Classic Shell.  I use Jaws 16 and NVDA, and I prefer a very straightforward way to find programs or use the Internet which involves as many list views as possible.  Besides the suggestion I was given to use Classic Shell, are there other tips you can give to make this a way to navigate it so it works for me like 7 or even XP as far as the look or style of the program?  I will also be using Outlook Express or Windows Mail, whichever program you may recommend as being more stable.  Any help is very much appreciated.
 
Joanne


Tbird threads

Alan Siman <alansiman@...>
 

Using tbird 34.4 with threads on some messagescombine and some do not apparently with the exact same subject.

Is there some setting I am missing to get all related messages into one thread?


Re: What's Up With Directions for Me?

Monica Jones
 

That’s not good for me. I spent all that money for Digit-Eyes and never could read a single bar code with it. I know some who have had some success, but I’ve never gotten any of those IDevice bar code scanners to work for me. I have better luck with the ones that take a picture such as Tap Tap See.
 
 

From: Rob
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What's Up With Directions for Me?
 

Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

Since Directions for Me is apparently not functioning at the present time, is there any other web site for obtaining cooking instructions for specific products, or any other work around aside from asking a sighted person to read them directly from the package?

Try the UPC. If you have a bar code scanner, log into the digit-eyes database. They will sometimes link you to product pages.

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Re: Moderating solo versus group efforts: Directed messages

Carlos
 

Thanks Joseph.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Moderating solo versus group efforts: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Hi Carlos,
I'd advise going solo for a while so you may learn ins and outs of list
administration (we do have mods of other lists, and we're willing to advise
you on admin matters).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 2:05 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages

And as I'm discovering the bane of a list owner's existence as well LOL.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cristóbal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Thread hijacking... The bane of a list member's existance.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:43 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages

Hi,
If let's say, I speak about IPhone, and you then ask about the
differences between apple and android, yes, that is related. But I
often see someone asking something about gmail, and there's something
totally unrelated below.
Literally, all that needs to be done, is a select all, and delete.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages



I agree that you should start with a new message/subject if the topic
is completely unrelated to the original one, but I believe that
modifying the
subject with a reference to the original topic is acceptable if it is
at least related.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Hi,
Can I add 2 things, please?
Keep the original message, and if possible, please, when you start
a new
subject, and if a new thread, please, start a new message. I never
liked
when the subject says microwaves, but turns out that the microwaves
message became a new thread from used laptops, let's say.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages



I agree with this and I would also like to emphasize keeping
subject lines consistent in general. I.E. If you would like to
begin a
different
discussion, simply start with a new message. Or if what you have
to
say
is at least related to the thread to which you are responding, but
may significantly side track the conversation, at least change the
subject
to
reflect this. I will have to work to follow this rule myself
since I have not always been careful enough in this respect.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:58 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Believe me, it is not my desire to cause a problem. But I am
starting
to
see a problem on this list that frustrated me on the other list,
specifically Blindtech. I am talking about the practice of
directing messages to a specific individual in the subject line.
I respectfully suggest that if anyone wants to direct his message
to an individual
that
he do so via private email. I say that because it screws up the
sorting
of threads badly when the actual subject is preceeded by the name
of an
individual.

Don Roberts

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Re: Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Monica Jones
 

Marie, I feel better knowing someone feels as I do. I've really tried to grow accustomed to it but just can't. I love both British and Ausie accents, but this is horrible. (smile)

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:31 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Hi,

Actually, I believe e Speak is supposed to be British?

----- Original Message -----
From: Marie <magpie.mn@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Thursday, 3 September 2015 5:02 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA



I don't think there is anything wrong with your hearing when it comes to
ESpeak. It makes me want to grit my teeth trying to understand it and to
tolerate the very sound of it. I love Australian accents but this is
terrible. I will probably spend more time trying to use and learn NVDA now
that the voice is so much more pleasant.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:07 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Good, I like NVDa; I just can't stand that ESpeak. It's too robotic and the
accent is too sharp. I don't have a problem with real people with Australian
accents; I understand them just fine. Somehow, those voices are just too
something. I've tried running them real slow and still can't get used to
them. Maybe it's my hearing, or, perhaps I just need to try longer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:00 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Glad I could help. Be sure to run the Microsoft runtime file first and then
the zira-pro. I did this while NVDA was running and then went into the
Preferences setting then synthesizers and found the voice. It is responsive
and understandable.
Marie


original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:50 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Never mind, I lied, it did download. I just didn't get the noise I usually
get when something finishes. Thanks for sending me the link again, Marie.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:39 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Monica,
If you download the zip file that was posted earlier, the correct files are
included. I just downloaded it and installed the runtime file and the
zira-pro voice on my desktop and I must say it is a vast improvement over
ESpeak. In case you missed the zip file, here is the link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Txao1DiiuvSXdoT3k0U0hHaHc/view"usp=sharing
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:34 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Is the 86 version on the page, or do have to find that somewhere else? I'm
asking because you said the info was missing.


-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:09 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Gerald,

I hope the below helps. I noticed this info was missing on the page
from the link that was provided earlier.

Microsoft Speech Platform - Runtime (Version 11), x86. Note that you
must install the x86 version even if your system is 64 bit.

Laz

On 9/2/15, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

I installed these two apps, but when I accessed the NVDA Synthesizer
dialog

on the Preferences menu and selected Microsoft Speech Platform in the
combo

box and then clicked Okay, I got an error message that the synthesizer
could

not be loaded. Did I screw something up?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Blaster
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:42 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

You can get the updated speech runtime update and extra voices from this
link:

http://pamgriffith.net/blog/alternative-voices-for-nvda/


I like the zira pro voice myself,
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Re: Broken Link

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi all,
LOL, never seen the guy, but he's using a braille sense. ;) :D

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 10:07 pm
Subject: [TechTalk] FW: Broken Link



Hi Carlos and others,
Can you help this person offlist? Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Bucher [mailto:bigmancomputing@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 2:04 PM
To: joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Broken Link

Hi Joseph,
Since you are involved with NVDA, I thought you might have seen this:
Top Tech Tidbits for Thursday, September 3, 2015 - Volume 524 This page
gives links to the "Talking Windows Preinstall Environment" which enables
blind users to install Windows indepdently:
http://www.handiham.org/drupal2/node/436

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: "'Keith Bucher'" <bigmancomputing@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, September 4, 2015 4:40 pm
Subject: RE: Broken Link



Hi,
Hmmm, I don't know about that file, sorry (perhaps you asked the wrong
Joseph).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Bucher [mailto:bigmancomputing@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 1:40 PM
To: joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
Subject: Broken Link

Hi Joseph,
When I go to http://helpbird.blogspot.com/ and attempt to download the
Installing Windows without sight assistance file by Carlos, the link
does not work. I would really like to have this file. Is there
anywhere else I can download it? Thanks.


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Re: lowest bit rate for audio books?

Monica Jones
 

Carlos, I'm with you; I don't want it lower than 64. I want the reading to be clear, and if it's much lower than this, it isn't to me. If someone can hear it lower and think it sounds clear enough, then go for it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] lowest bit rate for audio books?

This question usually causes a bit of controversy. In my opinion, about 64.
Although many will say that for spoken material it doesn't really matter.
----- Original Message -----
From: "john schwery" <jschwery@embarqmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:54 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] lowest bit rate for audio books?


What is the lowest bit rate I can use for audio books without losing much sound quality? For example, when I use Baliboka to take text from an ebook.






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Re: thankyou Carlos

Carlos
 


Hi Monica,
I thought that I had in fact sent you an invitation, but if not it is only because the majority of addresses to which I sent invitations were retrieved using a script.  In most cases I did not personally know the Email addresses of the members who were invited or even who the addresses retrieved by the script belong to.  And yes, I know that you were mostly kidding but I thought I would explain anyway just in case anyone else might truly feel as if they were intentionally excluded.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thankyou Carlos

He must not like me; I didn’t get the invite. (grin)
 
 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 2:16 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] thankyou Carlos
 
thanks for sending out the invite.
cheers
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Re: Threads

Monica Jones
 

Yes, some of us have asked this same thing before. Please be sure to change the subject lines, not only for the reasons mentioned here. There are times when good information has been missed because a subject line wasn’t changed to reflect the new information.
 
 

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:36 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Threads
 

Hi all,

It would really help me, and maybe some others, if subjects indicated what the note is about. For example, I am trying to wade through the massive amount of e-mail on this list, and I am looking at problems galore! I see messages about phones, fans, keyboards, . . .

 

I think clear subjects are helpful for two reasons. First of all, if I don’t want to read about, say, fans, I can just look for all of the subject lines that include the word fans and move them or delete them or whatever. Also, I may not care about fans today, but somewhere down the line, I may really want to see those messages. But without the word fans in the subject line, it is much more difficult to find those messages.

 

Just my two cents. *smile*

 

TerriLynne

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Re: Assigning admins/moderators, was: (Directed messages)

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Well said. I always say that a moderator shouldn't act, unless, they are very very very closely related with the admin. And the mod should be a friend of the admin, to better understand each other. And LOL, the more mods, the more arguments.
I notice this in IRC channels too. The amount of channel op dramas I have been involved in over the years .. dear lawd. I am glad I retreated away from a lot of it. I run a couple of channels with other likeminded individuals now. Less drama that way, fewer personality conflicts.


Moderating solo versus group efforts: Directed messages

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi Carlos,
I'd advise going solo for a while so you may learn ins and outs of list
administration (we do have mods of other lists, and we're willing to advise
you on admin matters).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 2:05 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages

And as I'm discovering the bane of a list owner's existence as well LOL.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cristóbal" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Thread hijacking... The bane of a list member's existance.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:43 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages

Hi,
If let's say, I speak about IPhone, and you then ask about the
differences between apple and android, yes, that is related. But I
often see someone asking something about gmail, and there's something
totally unrelated below.
Literally, all that needs to be done, is a select all, and delete.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages



I agree that you should start with a new message/subject if the topic
is completely unrelated to the original one, but I believe that
modifying the
subject with a reference to the original topic is acceptable if it is
at least related.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Hi,
Can I add 2 things, please?
Keep the original message, and if possible, please, when you start
a new
subject, and if a new thread, please, start a new message. I never
liked
when the subject says microwaves, but turns out that the microwaves
message became a new thread from used laptops, let's say.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages



I agree with this and I would also like to emphasize keeping
subject lines consistent in general. I.E. If you would like to
begin a
different
discussion, simply start with a new message. Or if what you have
to
say
is at least related to the thread to which you are responding, but
may significantly side track the conversation, at least change the
subject
to
reflect this. I will have to work to follow this rule myself
since I have not always been careful enough in this respect.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:58 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Believe me, it is not my desire to cause a problem. But I am
starting
to
see a problem on this list that frustrated me on the other list,
specifically Blindtech. I am talking about the practice of
directing messages to a specific individual in the subject line.
I respectfully suggest that if anyone wants to direct his message
to an individual
that
he do so via private email. I say that because it screws up the
sorting
of threads badly when the actual subject is preceeded by the name
of an
individual.

Don Roberts

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Re: Directed messages

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi Gene,
LOL, looks like there's someone who hates it more than I do. ;) I just don't like it, because its unfair on the original poster. Anyway, this is also very simple to accomplish on note takers.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 10:01 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages



This is a ridiculous practice. Someone starts a new thread, gives it a new subject line, and doesn't delete the previous material from the message body before writing a new message. So nothing quoted in the message has any relevance. (In my view, list owners should really crack down on this. It is a complete waste of useage limits if someone is on some sort of restricted plan. It makes digests larger for no valid reason. Sometimes eight or ten or more previous messages are retained. thus, list members may receive the equivalent of eleven or twelve messages instead of one.

All lists should really make this a serious issue. People don't realize that this is a problem and I have never seen any list I'm on try to get people to stop this practice. On a standard Windows computer, all that is necessary is to issue two commands, control a, then delete before writing the message body. either that or start a completely new message. I don't know the procedure for other devices like phones but until demonstrated otherwise, I shall assume that it is easy to do the equivalent.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 3:42 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Hi,
If let's say, I speak about IPhone, and you then ask about the differences between apple and android, yes, that is related. But I often see someone asking something about gmail, and there's something totally unrelated below. Literally, all that needs to be done, is a select all, and delete.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages



I agree that you should start with a new message/subject if the topic is
completely unrelated to the original one, but I believe that modifying the
subject with a reference to the original topic is acceptable if it is at
least related.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Hi,
Can I add 2 things, please?
Keep the original message, and if possible, please, when you start a new
subject, and if a new thread, please, start a new message. I never liked
when the subject says microwaves, but turns out that the microwaves
message became a new thread from used laptops, let's say.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages



I agree with this and I would also like to emphasize keeping subject
lines consistent in general. I.E. If you would like to begin a different
discussion, simply start with a new message. Or if what you have to say
is at least related to the thread to which you are responding, but may
significantly side track the conversation, at least change the subject to
reflect this. I will have to work to follow this rule myself since I
have not always been careful enough in this respect.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:58 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Believe me, it is not my desire to cause a problem. But I am starting to
see a problem on this list that frustrated me on the other list,
specifically Blindtech. I am talking about the practice of directing
messages to a specific individual in the subject line. I respectfully
suggest that if anyone wants to direct his message to an individual that
he do so via private email. I say that because it screws up the sorting
of threads badly when the actual subject is preceeded by the name of an
individual.

Don Roberts

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