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Re: Virtual Reality Will We Be Left Behind Again

Matt
 

Yes but we are not talking about that kind of stuff we are talking about
technology and computers and maybe giving us some kind of site back.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel McBride [mailto:dlmlaw@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Virtual Reality Will We Be Left Behind Again

Walter:

We should keep in mind the difference between needs and desires. I will
agree with Gerald that blind persons must accept that there are things that
we will never be able to accomplish. For Example, there will never be a
blind quarterback in the NFL and a blind person will never lead Major League
Baseball in home runs or batting average. And it would be ludicrous for
blind persons to demand an equal footing to allow blind persons access to
the NFL or MLB.

We must carefully pick our battles and we have our plates full simply trying
to gain an equal footing to have access to those essential needs in our
daily lives to survive. Virtual reality games are not essential in the lives
of sighted persons, let alone to blind persons. And choosing battles over
issues that are not essential to our ability to lead productive and
dignified lives can take us straight down the path of being careful what we
ask for, as we just might get it.

Just my two cents worth and it's probably not even worth one cent.

Daniel McBride, Fort Worth


Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Matt
 

Well really virtual reality is sort of that when talking about computers and
such!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Hi Group,

I don't want to know anything about virtual reality; I want to experience
the truth of what is really going on.


On 4/3/2016 9:11 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

If you are so concerned about being left behind because you cannot
experience virtual reality, then I suggest that you join one of the
blindness advocacy groups and demand that they make this a top
priority. Right now, they are more interested in promoting Braille
literacy. So join one of these groups and fight to make virtual
reality "accessible", and see how far you get.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Walter Ramage
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once
more?

Hi. Actually, they are already doing that. One of the examples they
gave
(and they played the sound track) was in Palestine and a little girl
on the
street singing a song and a bomb exploded, apparently the VR made it so
real. The programme presenter explained that he let his wife have a
go and
when she put the headset on she was shocked and backed up into a corner
because what she saw was a rhino charging at her. I'll try and find
either
the download for the programme or a link to it, I only got a small
part of
it. Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: 03 April 2016 13:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once
more?

Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several years
now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is ever
increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if this is
a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and sound you can
be distracted from or that you at all times realize is just that--sight
and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that case
to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a science
fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth
and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to begin with
the
main users would be gamers but this will eventually expand to all
walks of
life giving the user a unique experience. Now keeping in mind this
experience is a mainly visual one then blind people are going to be
excluded
from taking advantage of this new technology.



Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on the
scene
until screen readers made their appearance but regardless of that, with
the
increased use of graphics, screen readers are forever playing catch
up and
there are still some things we can't take advantage of, regardless of a
screen reader. Another example was touch screen mobiles. When they
became
popular we blind folk had to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.



What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a visual
experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever be able to
catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the world moves on
with
their virtual reality experiences but we blind folk just lose out?
Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal
direct to
the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't see how we
can
enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is a negative with
going
straight to the part of the brain that handles vision and imagery, what
about those folk who have been born from birth and have no idea of
what to
expect, would using virtual reality be a terrifying and traumatic
experience. Maybe there is some factor I've not taken into
consideration
or
there are things in the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be
interested in
your opinions. One final point, There are a group of blind folk who
have
never had sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and
some of
those I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess
those individuals will have no interest how this technology develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Matt
 

Yes surely can agree with this. Now it is a little easier for me as I have
been a seeing person most of my 58 years on this earth this year. But yes I
listen to a book I really do try to picture the person in my mind. It is
easy for me since I have been a seeing person . I don't think the sited is
thinking about virtual reality as you are talking about but how they
interact with computers and such to make it feel more natural to them as
seeing is natural to them and so instead of grabbing a mouse to drag
something somewhere it is easier to just pick it up and move it. this is the
most natural way for seeing people to do things. So if we as blind people
can grab that same concept then we would be on or getting on the same level
as our seeing counter parts.
Yes think outside the box and adjust and adapt. Don't be scare it will not
kill you or anything like that!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Mitchel [mailto:dbmitchel@centurylink.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

way too many blind people get stuck on the word "can't" and I do mean get
stuck there. I get so sick and tired of hearing that word come from not just
the blind, but way too many disabled people. they want everyone to cow tow
to them and their whims and desires. they want everyone to be PC with them
instead of being an adult about things and getting off their ass and doing
something.
I think we are lucky and can have virtual reality at any time by just
picking up a good book and using our imagination as we read it. I learned to
think in pictures, which is the same as virtual reality from what I
understand.
People! open your minds and stop being whiners! use what the maker gave you
and figure out how to turn a book into movie in your mind. Instead of
thinking of the words as a reader is reading to you think of the picture
that author is trying to portray to you. Even when reading Braille do you
feel the dots or do you see the words? do you see what those words are
trying to represent to you?
if you are thinking I am some Polly-Anna think again. I get just as pissed
off as anyone else at times. so I throw a tantrum get it out of my system
and move on.
None of us has to accept everything, and if we don't accept it what can we
do about it? instead of saying those sighted people shouldshoudl should do
this and that for US! we need to ask if we know of a blind person who could
or would look at this sort of thing and adapt something or could make
something to help all us blind people.
I think in short what I am trying to say is: use your mind for something
besides whining and sniffling about something. use it to adapt and focus the
whining energy into what you can do instead of what you can't do.
we all have virtual reality in our own minds! screw those sighted people who
need a machine to get what they already have if they would just use it.

I can already see that there are a few who read this that get angry and will
write nasty crap back, but I have this special key called a delete key! lol!

enjoy your Sunday morning!


-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 6:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Everyone keeps falling back on this argument of how overwhelming it would be
for someone who has never seen. Of course logically initially it would be
overwhelming, but most don't ever seem to consider the possibility that you
could eventually adapt. I personally believe it is all a matter of
determination. If you are determined enough, even if it takes years, you
could eventually adjust. If you start out with the mentality that it is
impossible, then you will most likely never adapt.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Yes don't know why they think the blind is going to be totally excluded
from
this ! This is the kind of closed thinking is why we as blind people are
not
as far along as we should be in things being accessible to us. We got to
get
out of this thinking in the box only! We must think outside the box and be
willing to adjust and adapt to new things.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

LOL if it were a direct brain to machine interface, the blind would be
just
as subject to it as anyone else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several
years now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is
ever increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if
this is a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and
sound you can be distracted from or that you at all times realize is
just that--sight and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that
case to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a
science fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to
begin with the main users would be gamers but this will eventually
expand to all walks of life giving the user a unique experience. Now
keeping in mind this experience is a mainly visual one then blind
people are going to be excluded from taking advantage of this new
technology.


Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on
the scene until screen readers made their appearance but regardless
of that, with the increased use of graphics, screen readers are
forever playing catch up and there are still some things we can't
take advantage of, regardless of a screen reader. Another example
was touch screen mobiles. When they became popular we blind folk had
to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.


What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a
visual experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever
be able to catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the
world moves on with their virtual reality experiences but we blind
folk just lose out?
Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal
direct to the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't
see how we can enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is
a negative with going straight to the part of the brain that handles
vision and imagery, what about those folk who have been born from
birth and have no idea of what to expect, would using virtual
reality be a terrifying and traumatic experience. Maybe there is
some factor I've not taken into consideration or there are things in
the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in your opinions.
One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have never had
sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of those
I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess those individuals will have no interest how this technology
develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"










Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I don't want to know anything about virtual reality; I want to experience the truth of what is really going on.

On 4/3/2016 9:11 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

If you are so concerned about being left behind because you cannot experience virtual reality, then I suggest that you join one of the blindness advocacy groups and demand that they make this a top priority. Right now, they are more interested in promoting Braille literacy. So join one of these groups and fight to make virtual reality "accessible", and see how far you get.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Walter Ramage
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Hi. Actually, they are already doing that. One of the examples they gave
(and they played the sound track) was in Palestine and a little girl on the
street singing a song and a bomb exploded, apparently the VR made it so
real. The programme presenter explained that he let his wife have a go and
when she put the headset on she was shocked and backed up into a corner
because what she saw was a rhino charging at her. I'll try and find either
the download for the programme or a link to it, I only got a small part of
it. Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: 03 April 2016 13:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several years
now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is ever
increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if this is
a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and sound you can
be distracted from or that you at all times realize is just that--sight
and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that case
to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a science
fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth
and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to begin with
the
main users would be gamers but this will eventually expand to all walks of
life giving the user a unique experience. Now keeping in mind this
experience is a mainly visual one then blind people are going to be
excluded
from taking advantage of this new technology.



Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on the
scene
until screen readers made their appearance but regardless of that, with
the
increased use of graphics, screen readers are forever playing catch up and
there are still some things we can't take advantage of, regardless of a
screen reader. Another example was touch screen mobiles. When they
became
popular we blind folk had to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.



What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a visual
experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever be able to
catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the world moves on
with
their virtual reality experiences but we blind folk just lose out? Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal direct to
the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't see how we can
enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is a negative with
going
straight to the part of the brain that handles vision and imagery, what
about those folk who have been born from birth and have no idea of what to
expect, would using virtual reality be a terrifying and traumatic
experience. Maybe there is some factor I've not taken into consideration
or
there are things in the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in
your opinions. One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have
never had sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of
those I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess
those individuals will have no interest how this technology develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Virtual Reality Will We Be Left Behind Again

Daniel McBride
 

Walter:

We should keep in mind the difference between needs and desires. I will
agree with Gerald that blind persons must accept that there are things that
we will never be able to accomplish. For Example, there will never be a
blind quarterback in the NFL and a blind person will never lead Major League
Baseball in home runs or batting average. And it would be ludicrous for
blind persons to demand an equal footing to allow blind persons access to
the NFL or MLB.

We must carefully pick our battles and we have our plates full simply trying
to gain an equal footing to have access to those essential needs in our
daily lives to survive. Virtual reality games are not essential in the lives
of sighted persons, let alone to blind persons. And choosing battles over
issues that are not essential to our ability to lead productive and
dignified lives can take us straight down the path of being careful what we
ask for, as we just might get it.

Just my two cents worth and it's probably not even worth one cent.

Daniel McBride, Fort Worth


Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Carlos
 

The fact is that while technology which can send visual information directly to the brain might as a side benefit allow for the possibility of restoring sight to the blind, the gaming companies have been interested in and have been trying to develop this kind of technology for years now.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


No it going to come from the companies that is making it. Of course this
price would come down and I not sure it would be the cost you are saying it
is anyhow. What do you have to base that price on? Here again thinking
inside that box and not only inside the box but with the lid closed too on
it.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


And everyone keeps conveniently forgetting that making virtual reality
"accessible" to the blind costs money, probably millions of dollars. Where
is this money going to come from? From the federal government? From the
blindness groups? From Freedom Scientific or GW Micro? I don't think so.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Everyone keeps falling back on this argument of how overwhelming it would be
for someone who has never seen. Of course logically initially it would be
overwhelming, but most don't ever seem to consider the possibility that you
could eventually adapt. I personally believe it is all a matter of
determination. If you are determined enough, even if it takes years, you
could eventually adjust. If you start out with the mentality that it is
impossible, then you will most likely never adapt.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Yes don't know why they think the blind is going to be totally excluded
from
this ! This is the kind of closed thinking is why we as blind people are
not
as far along as we should be in things being accessible to us. We got to
get
out of this thinking in the box only! We must think outside the box and be
willing to adjust and adapt to new things.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

LOL if it were a direct brain to machine interface, the blind would be
just
as subject to it as anyone else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several
years now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is
ever increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if
this is a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and
sound you can be distracted from or that you at all times realize is
just that--sight and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that
case to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a
science fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to
begin with the main users would be gamers but this will eventually
expand to all walks of life giving the user a unique experience. Now
keeping in mind this experience is a mainly visual one then blind
people are going to be excluded from taking advantage of this new
technology.


Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on
the scene until screen readers made their appearance but regardless
of that, with the increased use of graphics, screen readers are
forever playing catch up and there are still some things we can't
take advantage of, regardless of a screen reader. Another example
was touch screen mobiles. When they became popular we blind folk had
to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.


What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a
visual experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever
be able to catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the
world moves on with their virtual reality experiences but we blind
folk just lose out?
Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal
direct to the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't
see how we can enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is
a negative with going straight to the part of the brain that handles
vision and imagery, what about those folk who have been born from
birth and have no idea of what to expect, would using virtual
reality be a terrifying and traumatic experience. Maybe there is
some factor I've not taken into consideration or there are things in
the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in your opinions.
One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have never had
sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of those
I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess those individuals will have no interest how this technology
develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


















Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Dave Mitchel
 

way too many blind people get stuck on the word "can't" and I do mean get stuck there. I get so sick and tired of hearing that word come from not just the blind, but way too many disabled people. they want everyone to cow tow to them and their whims and desires. they want everyone to be PC with them instead of being an adult about things and getting off their ass and doing something.
I think we are lucky and can have virtual reality at any time by just picking up a good book and using our imagination as we read it. I learned to think in pictures, which is the same as virtual reality from what I understand.
People! open your minds and stop being whiners! use what the maker gave you and figure out how to turn a book into movie in your mind. Instead of thinking of the words as a reader is reading to you think of the picture that author is trying to portray to you. Even when reading Braille do you feel the dots or do you see the words? do you see what those words are trying to represent to you?
if you are thinking I am some Polly-Anna think again. I get just as pissed off as anyone else at times. so I throw a tantrum get it out of my system and move on.
None of us has to accept everything, and if we don't accept it what can we do about it? instead of saying those sighted people shouldshoudl should do this and that for US! we need to ask if we know of a blind person who could or would look at this sort of thing and adapt something or could make something to help all us blind people.
I think in short what I am trying to say is: use your mind for something besides whining and sniffling about something. use it to adapt and focus the whining energy into what you can do instead of what you can't do.
we all have virtual reality in our own minds! screw those sighted people who need a machine to get what they already have if they would just use it.

I can already see that there are a few who read this that get angry and will write nasty crap back, but I have this special key called a delete key! lol! enjoy your Sunday morning!

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 6:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Everyone keeps falling back on this argument of how overwhelming it would be
for someone who has never seen. Of course logically initially it would be
overwhelming, but most don't ever seem to consider the possibility that you
could eventually adapt. I personally believe it is all a matter of
determination. If you are determined enough, even if it takes years, you
could eventually adjust. If you start out with the mentality that it is
impossible, then you will most likely never adapt.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Yes don't know why they think the blind is going to be totally excluded from
this ! This is the kind of closed thinking is why we as blind people are not
as far along as we should be in things being accessible to us. We got to get
out of this thinking in the box only! We must think outside the box and be
willing to adjust and adapt to new things.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

LOL if it were a direct brain to machine interface, the blind would be just
as subject to it as anyone else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several
years now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is
ever increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if
this is a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and
sound you can be distracted from or that you at all times realize is
just that--sight and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that
case to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a
science fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to
begin with the main users would be gamers but this will eventually
expand to all walks of life giving the user a unique experience. Now
keeping in mind this experience is a mainly visual one then blind
people are going to be excluded from taking advantage of this new
technology.


Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on
the scene until screen readers made their appearance but regardless
of that, with the increased use of graphics, screen readers are
forever playing catch up and there are still some things we can't
take advantage of, regardless of a screen reader. Another example
was touch screen mobiles. When they became popular we blind folk had
to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.


What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a
visual experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever
be able to catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the
world moves on with their virtual reality experiences but we blind
folk just lose out?
Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal
direct to the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't
see how we can enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is
a negative with going straight to the part of the brain that handles
vision and imagery, what about those folk who have been born from
birth and have no idea of what to expect, would using virtual
reality be a terrifying and traumatic experience. Maybe there is
some factor I've not taken into consideration or there are things in
the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in your opinions.
One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have never had
sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of those
I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess those individuals will have no interest how this technology
develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"










Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Matt
 

How so true!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:44 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

I am not specifically talking about making virtual reality accessible to the
blind. I'm talking about the technology which would allow sending signals
directly to the visual cortex. This technology could have other
applications like virtual reality so it will be, and in fact is already
being, developed one way or the other. The cost for developing this
technology does not have to be, and will most likely not be, assumed by
organizations for the blind since it has other uses. However, once it is
developed, it would logically by it's very nature and as a side benefit make
virtual reality accessible to the blind. As others have said, try to think
outside the box.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?



And everyone keeps conveniently forgetting that making virtual reality
"accessible" to the blind costs money, probably millions of dollars.
Where is this money going to come from? From the federal government?
From the blindness groups? From Freedom Scientific or GW Micro? I
don't think so.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Everyone keeps falling back on this argument of how overwhelming it
would be for someone who has never seen. Of course logically
initially it would be overwhelming, but most don't ever seem to
consider the possibility that you could eventually adapt. I
personally believe it is all a matter of determination. If you are
determined enough, even if it takes years, you could eventually
adjust. If you start out with the mentality that it is impossible,
then you will most likely never adapt.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Yes don't know why they think the blind is going to be totally
excluded from this ! This is the kind of closed thinking is why we as
blind people are not as far along as we should be in things being
accessible to us. We got to get out of this thinking in the box only!
We must think outside the box and be willing to adjust and adapt to
new things.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once
more?

LOL if it were a direct brain to machine interface, the blind would
be just as subject to it as anyone else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once
more?


Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several
years now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is
ever increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if
this is a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and
sound you can be distracted from or that you at all times realize is
just that--sight and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that
case to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a
science fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to
begin with the main users would be gamers but this will eventually
expand to all walks of life giving the user a unique experience. Now
keeping in mind this experience is a mainly visual one then blind
people are going to be excluded from taking advantage of this new
technology.


Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on
the scene until screen readers made their appearance but regardless
of that, with the increased use of graphics, screen readers are
forever playing catch up and there are still some things we can't
take advantage of, regardless of a screen reader. Another example
was touch screen mobiles. When they became popular we blind folk had
to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up
somewhat.


What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a
visual experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever
be able to catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the
world moves on with their virtual reality experiences but we blind
folk just lose out?
Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal
direct to the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't
see how we can enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is
a negative with going straight to the part of the brain that handles
vision and imagery, what about those folk who have been born from
birth and have no idea of what to expect, would using virtual
reality be a terrifying and traumatic experience. Maybe there is
some factor I've not taken into consideration or there are things in
the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in your opinions.
One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have never had
sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of those
I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess those individuals will have no interest how this technology
develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"















Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Matt
 

No it going to come from the companies that is making it. Of course this
price would come down and I not sure it would be the cost you are saying it
is anyhow. What do you have to base that price on? Here again thinking
inside that box and not only inside the box but with the lid closed too on
it.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


And everyone keeps conveniently forgetting that making virtual reality
"accessible" to the blind costs money, probably millions of dollars. Where
is this money going to come from? From the federal government? From the
blindness groups? From Freedom Scientific or GW Micro? I don't think so.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Everyone keeps falling back on this argument of how overwhelming it would be
for someone who has never seen. Of course logically initially it would be
overwhelming, but most don't ever seem to consider the possibility that you
could eventually adapt. I personally believe it is all a matter of
determination. If you are determined enough, even if it takes years, you
could eventually adjust. If you start out with the mentality that it is
impossible, then you will most likely never adapt.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Yes don't know why they think the blind is going to be totally excluded
from
this ! This is the kind of closed thinking is why we as blind people are
not
as far along as we should be in things being accessible to us. We got to
get
out of this thinking in the box only! We must think outside the box and be
willing to adjust and adapt to new things.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

LOL if it were a direct brain to machine interface, the blind would be
just
as subject to it as anyone else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several
years now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is
ever increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if
this is a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and
sound you can be distracted from or that you at all times realize is
just that--sight and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that
case to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a
science fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to
begin with the main users would be gamers but this will eventually
expand to all walks of life giving the user a unique experience. Now
keeping in mind this experience is a mainly visual one then blind
people are going to be excluded from taking advantage of this new
technology.


Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on
the scene until screen readers made their appearance but regardless
of that, with the increased use of graphics, screen readers are
forever playing catch up and there are still some things we can't
take advantage of, regardless of a screen reader. Another example
was touch screen mobiles. When they became popular we blind folk had
to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.


What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a
visual experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever
be able to catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the
world moves on with their virtual reality experiences but we blind
folk just lose out?
Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal
direct to the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't
see how we can enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is
a negative with going straight to the part of the brain that handles
vision and imagery, what about those folk who have been born from
birth and have no idea of what to expect, would using virtual
reality be a terrifying and traumatic experience. Maybe there is
some factor I've not taken into consideration or there are things in
the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in your opinions.
One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have never had
sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of those
I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess those individuals will have no interest how this technology
develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"










Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Carlos
 

I am not specifically talking about making virtual reality accessible to the blind. I'm talking about the technology which would allow sending signals directly to the visual cortex. This technology could have other applications like virtual reality so it will be, and in fact is already being, developed one way or the other. The cost for developing this technology does not have to be, and will most likely not be, assumed by organizations for the blind since it has other uses. However, once it is developed, it would logically by it's very nature and as a side benefit make virtual reality accessible to the blind. As others have said, try to think outside the box.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?



And everyone keeps conveniently forgetting that making virtual reality "accessible" to the blind costs money, probably millions of dollars. Where is this money going to come from? From the federal government? From the blindness groups? From Freedom Scientific or GW Micro? I don't think so.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Everyone keeps falling back on this argument of how overwhelming it would be
for someone who has never seen. Of course logically initially it would be
overwhelming, but most don't ever seem to consider the possibility that you
could eventually adapt. I personally believe it is all a matter of
determination. If you are determined enough, even if it takes years, you
could eventually adjust. If you start out with the mentality that it is
impossible, then you will most likely never adapt.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Yes don't know why they think the blind is going to be totally excluded from
this ! This is the kind of closed thinking is why we as blind people are not
as far along as we should be in things being accessible to us. We got to get
out of this thinking in the box only! We must think outside the box and be
willing to adjust and adapt to new things.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

LOL if it were a direct brain to machine interface, the blind would be just
as subject to it as anyone else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several
years now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is
ever increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if
this is a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and
sound you can be distracted from or that you at all times realize is
just that--sight and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that
case to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a
science fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to
begin with the main users would be gamers but this will eventually
expand to all walks of life giving the user a unique experience. Now
keeping in mind this experience is a mainly visual one then blind
people are going to be excluded from taking advantage of this new
technology.


Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on
the scene until screen readers made their appearance but regardless
of that, with the increased use of graphics, screen readers are
forever playing catch up and there are still some things we can't
take advantage of, regardless of a screen reader. Another example
was touch screen mobiles. When they became popular we blind folk had
to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.


What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a
visual experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever
be able to catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the
world moves on with their virtual reality experiences but we blind
folk just lose out?
Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal
direct to the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't
see how we can enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is
a negative with going straight to the part of the brain that handles
vision and imagery, what about those folk who have been born from
birth and have no idea of what to expect, would using virtual
reality be a terrifying and traumatic experience. Maybe there is
some factor I've not taken into consideration or there are things in
the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in your opinions.
One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have never had
sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of those
I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess those individuals will have no interest how this technology
develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"














Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Gerald Levy
 

And everyone keeps conveniently forgetting that making virtual reality "accessible" to the blind costs money, probably millions of dollars. Where is this money going to come from? From the federal government? From the blindness groups? From Freedom Scientific or GW Micro? I don't think so.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Everyone keeps falling back on this argument of how overwhelming it would be
for someone who has never seen. Of course logically initially it would be
overwhelming, but most don't ever seem to consider the possibility that you
could eventually adapt. I personally believe it is all a matter of
determination. If you are determined enough, even if it takes years, you
could eventually adjust. If you start out with the mentality that it is
impossible, then you will most likely never adapt.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Yes don't know why they think the blind is going to be totally excluded from
this ! This is the kind of closed thinking is why we as blind people are not
as far along as we should be in things being accessible to us. We got to get
out of this thinking in the box only! We must think outside the box and be
willing to adjust and adapt to new things.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

LOL if it were a direct brain to machine interface, the blind would be just
as subject to it as anyone else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several
years now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is
ever increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if
this is a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and
sound you can be distracted from or that you at all times realize is
just that--sight and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that
case to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a
science fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to
begin with the main users would be gamers but this will eventually
expand to all walks of life giving the user a unique experience. Now
keeping in mind this experience is a mainly visual one then blind
people are going to be excluded from taking advantage of this new
technology.


Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on
the scene until screen readers made their appearance but regardless
of that, with the increased use of graphics, screen readers are
forever playing catch up and there are still some things we can't
take advantage of, regardless of a screen reader. Another example
was touch screen mobiles. When they became popular we blind folk had
to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.


What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a
visual experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever
be able to catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the
world moves on with their virtual reality experiences but we blind
folk just lose out?
Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal
direct to the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't
see how we can enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is
a negative with going straight to the part of the brain that handles
vision and imagery, what about those folk who have been born from
birth and have no idea of what to expect, would using virtual
reality be a terrifying and traumatic experience. Maybe there is
some factor I've not taken into consideration or there are things in
the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in your opinions.
One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have never had
sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of those
I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess those individuals will have no interest how this technology
develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"










Here's the podcast, was, Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Walter Ramage
 

Hi folks. I managed to find the podcast of that programme about Virtual
Reality. It's original broadcast was yesterday. The link if it is of
interest is below. Walter.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/k3d4h8

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Ramage [mailto:wpr@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: 03 April 2016 13:39
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Hi. Actually, they are already doing that. One of the examples they gave
(and they played the sound track) was in Palestine and a little girl on the
street singing a song and a bomb exploded, apparently the VR made it so
real. The programme presenter explained that he let his wife have a go and
when she put the headset on she was shocked and backed up into a corner
because what she saw was a rhino charging at her. I'll try and find either
the download for the programme or a link to it, I only got a small part of
it. Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: 03 April 2016 13:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several years
now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is ever
increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if this is
a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and sound you can
be distracted from or that you at all times realize is just that--sight
and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that case
to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a science
fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth
and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to begin with
the
main users would be gamers but this will eventually expand to all walks of
life giving the user a unique experience. Now keeping in mind this
experience is a mainly visual one then blind people are going to be
excluded
from taking advantage of this new technology.



Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on the
scene
until screen readers made their appearance but regardless of that, with
the
increased use of graphics, screen readers are forever playing catch up and
there are still some things we can't take advantage of, regardless of a
screen reader. Another example was touch screen mobiles. When they
became
popular we blind folk had to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.



What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a visual
experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever be able to
catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the world moves on
with
their virtual reality experiences but we blind folk just lose out? Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal direct to
the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't see how we can
enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is a negative with
going
straight to the part of the brain that handles vision and imagery, what
about those folk who have been born from birth and have no idea of what to
expect, would using virtual reality be a terrifying and traumatic
experience. Maybe there is some factor I've not taken into consideration
or
there are things in the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in
your opinions. One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have
never had sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of
those I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess
those individuals will have no interest how this technology develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Matt
 

Agree!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Everyone keeps falling back on this argument of how overwhelming it would be
for someone who has never seen. Of course logically initially it would be
overwhelming, but most don't ever seem to consider the possibility that you
could eventually adapt. I personally believe it is all a matter of
determination. If you are determined enough, even if it takes years, you
could eventually adjust. If you start out with the mentality that it is
impossible, then you will most likely never adapt.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Yes don't know why they think the blind is going to be totally
excluded from this ! This is the kind of closed thinking is why we as
blind people are not as far along as we should be in things being
accessible to us. We got to get out of this thinking in the box only!
We must think outside the box and be willing to adjust and adapt to
new things.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

LOL if it were a direct brain to machine interface, the blind would be
just
as subject to it as anyone else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several
years now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is
ever increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if
this is a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and
sound you can be distracted from or that you at all times realize is
just that--sight and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that
case to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a
science fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to
begin with the main users would be gamers but this will eventually
expand to all walks of life giving the user a unique experience. Now
keeping in mind this experience is a mainly visual one then blind
people are going to be excluded from taking advantage of this new
technology.


Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on
the scene until screen readers made their appearance but regardless
of that, with the increased use of graphics, screen readers are
forever playing catch up and there are still some things we can't
take advantage of, regardless of a screen reader. Another example
was touch screen mobiles. When they became popular we blind folk had
to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.


What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a
visual experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever
be able to catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the
world moves on with their virtual reality experiences but we blind
folk just lose out?
Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal
direct to the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't
see how we can enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is
a negative with going straight to the part of the brain that handles
vision and imagery, what about those folk who have been born from
birth and have no idea of what to expect, would using virtual
reality be a terrifying and traumatic experience. Maybe there is
some factor I've not taken into consideration or there are things in
the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in your opinions.
One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have never had
sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of those
I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess those individuals will have no interest how this technology
develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"










Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Matt
 

Well, not going to get very far with them as they are a in box thinkers and
are still living in the dark ages most of them. Most of them that is running
these organization is people up in age of 50more! That is why they are so
hooked on Braille is everything ! I afraid in a lot of ways we are stuck on
this wheel because of them and their in box thinking! Sort of like you are
doing not willing to experience new things and adjusting and adapting to
them! But you know it might take another 30 years but the old will be going
out the young will be coming in with lots more open minds to things and
technology!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


If you are so concerned about being left behind because you cannot
experience virtual reality, then I suggest that you join one of the
blindness advocacy groups and demand that they make this a top priority.
Right now, they are more interested in promoting Braille literacy. So join
one of these groups and fight to make virtual reality "accessible", and see
how far you get.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Rampage
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Hi. Actually, they are already doing that. One of the examples they gave
(and they played the sound track) was in Palestine and a little girl on the
street singing a song and a bomb exploded, apparently the VR made it so
real. The programme presenter explained that he let his wife have a go and
when she put the headset on she was shocked and backed up into a corner
because what she saw was a rhino charging at her. I'll try and find either
the download for the programme or a link to it, I only got a small part of
it. Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: 03 April 2016 13:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several years now
and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is ever
increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if this is a
total immersion experience rather than just a sight and sound you can be
distracted from or that you at all times realize is just that--sight and
sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to its ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's Germany
or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of the situation
and actually come to believe that those times were worth bringing to the
present. Since the blind will probably never be fully immersed in that type
of reality, It may be up to the blind in that case to save the world??!! At
any rate, it's good fodder for a science fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth
and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to begin
with
the
main users would be gamers but this will eventually expand to all
walks of life giving the user a unique experience. Now keeping in
mind this experience is a mainly visual one then blind people are
going to be
excluded
from taking advantage of this new technology.



Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on the
scene
until screen readers made their appearance but regardless of that,
with
the
increased use of graphics, screen readers are forever playing catch up
and there are still some things we can't take advantage of, regardless
of a screen reader. Another example was touch screen mobiles. When
they
became
popular we blind folk had to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.



What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a visual
experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever be able
to catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the world
moves on
with
their virtual reality experiences but we blind folk just lose out?
Unless in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal
direct to the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't
see how we can enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is a
negative with
going
straight to the part of the brain that handles vision and imagery,
what about those folk who have been born from birth and have no idea
of what to expect, would using virtual reality be a terrifying and
traumatic experience. Maybe there is some factor I've not taken into
consideration
or
there are things in the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be
interested in your opinions. One final point, There are a group of
blind folk who have never had sight, or have lost what sight they had
decades ago and some of those I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision
virtual or otherwise so I
guess
those individuals will have no interest how this technology develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Carlos
 

Everyone keeps falling back on this argument of how overwhelming it would be for someone who has never seen. Of course logically initially it would be overwhelming, but most don't ever seem to consider the possibility that you could eventually adapt. I personally believe it is all a matter of determination. If you are determined enough, even if it takes years, you could eventually adjust. If you start out with the mentality that it is impossible, then you will most likely never adapt.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Yes don't know why they think the blind is going to be totally excluded from
this ! This is the kind of closed thinking is why we as blind people are not
as far along as we should be in things being accessible to us. We got to get
out of this thinking in the box only! We must think outside the box and be
willing to adjust and adapt to new things.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

LOL if it were a direct brain to machine interface, the blind would be just
as subject to it as anyone else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several
years now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is
ever increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if
this is a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and
sound you can be distracted from or that you at all times realize is
just that--sight and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that
case to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a
science fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to
begin with the main users would be gamers but this will eventually
expand to all walks of life giving the user a unique experience. Now
keeping in mind this experience is a mainly visual one then blind
people are going to be excluded from taking advantage of this new
technology.


Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on
the scene until screen readers made their appearance but regardless
of that, with the increased use of graphics, screen readers are
forever playing catch up and there are still some things we can't
take advantage of, regardless of a screen reader. Another example
was touch screen mobiles. When they became popular we blind folk had
to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.


What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a
visual experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever
be able to catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the
world moves on with their virtual reality experiences but we blind
folk just lose out?
Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal
direct to the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't
see how we can enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is
a negative with going straight to the part of the brain that handles
vision and imagery, what about those folk who have been born from
birth and have no idea of what to expect, would using virtual
reality be a terrifying and traumatic experience. Maybe there is
some factor I've not taken into consideration or there are things in
the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in your opinions.
One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have never had
sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of those
I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess those individuals will have no interest how this technology
develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"









Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Gerald Levy
 

If you are so concerned about being left behind because you cannot experience virtual reality, then I suggest that you join one of the blindness advocacy groups and demand that they make this a top priority. Right now, they are more interested in promoting Braille literacy. So join one of these groups and fight to make virtual reality "accessible", and see how far you get.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Ramage
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Hi. Actually, they are already doing that. One of the examples they gave
(and they played the sound track) was in Palestine and a little girl on the
street singing a song and a bomb exploded, apparently the VR made it so
real. The programme presenter explained that he let his wife have a go and
when she put the headset on she was shocked and backed up into a corner
because what she saw was a rhino charging at her. I'll try and find either
the download for the programme or a link to it, I only got a small part of
it. Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: 03 April 2016 13:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several years
now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is ever
increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if this is
a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and sound you can
be distracted from or that you at all times realize is just that--sight
and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that case
to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a science
fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth
and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to begin with
the
main users would be gamers but this will eventually expand to all walks of
life giving the user a unique experience. Now keeping in mind this
experience is a mainly visual one then blind people are going to be
excluded
from taking advantage of this new technology.



Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on the
scene
until screen readers made their appearance but regardless of that, with
the
increased use of graphics, screen readers are forever playing catch up and
there are still some things we can't take advantage of, regardless of a
screen reader. Another example was touch screen mobiles. When they
became
popular we blind folk had to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.



What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a visual
experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever be able to
catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the world moves on
with
their virtual reality experiences but we blind folk just lose out? Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal direct to
the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't see how we can
enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is a negative with
going
straight to the part of the brain that handles vision and imagery, what
about those folk who have been born from birth and have no idea of what to
expect, would using virtual reality be a terrifying and traumatic
experience. Maybe there is some factor I've not taken into consideration
or
there are things in the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in
your opinions. One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have
never had sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of
those I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess
those individuals will have no interest how this technology develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Matt
 

Yes don't know why they think the blind is going to be totally excluded from
this ! This is the kind of closed thinking is why we as blind people are not
as far along as we should be in things being accessible to us. We got to get
out of this thinking in the box only! We must think outside the box and be
willing to adjust and adapt to new things.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

LOL if it were a direct brain to machine interface, the blind would be just
as subject to it as anyone else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?


Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several
years now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is
ever increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if
this is a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and
sound you can be distracted from or that you at all times realize is
just that--sight and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that
case to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a
science fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to
begin with the main users would be gamers but this will eventually
expand to all walks of life giving the user a unique experience. Now
keeping in mind this experience is a mainly visual one then blind
people are going to be excluded from taking advantage of this new
technology.


Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on
the scene until screen readers made their appearance but regardless
of that, with the increased use of graphics, screen readers are
forever playing catch up and there are still some things we can't
take advantage of, regardless of a screen reader. Another example
was touch screen mobiles. When they became popular we blind folk had
to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.


What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a
visual experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever
be able to catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the
world moves on with their virtual reality experiences but we blind
folk just lose out?
Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal
direct to the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't
see how we can enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is
a negative with going straight to the part of the brain that handles
vision and imagery, what about those folk who have been born from
birth and have no idea of what to expect, would using virtual
reality be a terrifying and traumatic experience. Maybe there is
some factor I've not taken into consideration or there are things in
the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in your opinions.
One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have never had
sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of those
I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess those individuals will have no interest how this technology
develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




Re: Prepaid phone plans

Dave Mitchel
 

or Verizon has a $25 per month that is unlimited text and 200 minutes  talk. at least in my area.
 
 

From: Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Prepaid phone plans
 

You can always  port your number from provider to provider.

 

From: Marie [mailto:magpie.mn@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Prepaid phone plans

 

I have an LG phone with is currently on Verizon and the contract ends in July. I have kept it to retain an old number which I did not wish to give up but am considering using it for a prepaid plan which I can stop and start. which prepaid plan uses the Verizon phones?

Thanks,

Marie

 


Re: [TechTalk+chat] sound mixer

Matt
 

Yes! Will forward

FYI! Please see below.

 

 

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:48 AM
To: chat@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk+chat] sound mixer

 

Perhaps you meant to post this on the main list?

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:11 AM

Subject: [TechTalk+chat] sound mixer

 

Hi, I am thinking about getting the Amazon Echo Dot. I have the Amazon Echo. But the Dot is really made to work with your stereo system or a sound system. So I thinking about having maybe wireless speakers or possible Bluetooth speaker system put thru out the house. I might or could do a wired system but that would be a pain to do and do right. Or I would have to have someone come in to do that. But a wireless or Bluetooth system would be nice. I would want it to be able to hook to a mixer board so I could control zones or play the whole house or just outside speakers or all them.

So anyone got suggestions on an accessible mixer board? Also any suggestion on Wireless or Bluetooth speaker system to hook to a mixer board? If all else fells then a wired speaker system hooked to the mixer board? Thanks for any input !

 

 

Matt.from.florida@...

 


Re: Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Walter Ramage
 

Hi. Actually, they are already doing that. One of the examples they gave
(and they played the sound track) was in Palestine and a little girl on the
street singing a song and a bomb exploded, apparently the VR made it so
real. The programme presenter explained that he let his wife have a go and
when she put the headset on she was shocked and backed up into a corner
because what she saw was a rhino charging at her. I'll try and find either
the download for the programme or a link to it, I only got a small part of
it. Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: 03 April 2016 13:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Virtual reality, will we be left behind once more?

Hi Group,

I've been hearing about this virtual reality business for several years
now and it's frightening. We already have a mass media that is ever
increasingly corporate, elitist and dominating. Just imagine if this is
a total immersion experience rather than just a sight and sound you can
be distracted from or that you at all times realize is just that--sight
and sound--not any kind of reality.

taken to it's ultimate extreme, people could be taken back to 1930's
Germany or 1930's Russia and get caught up in the emotion and drama of
the situation and actually come to believe that those times were worth
bringing to the present. Since the blind will probably never be fully
immersed in that type of reality, It may be up to the blind in that case
to save the world??!! At any rate, it's good fodder for a science
fiction futuristic dystopian novel.



On 4/3/2016 6:58 AM, Walter Ramage wrote:
Hi all. I just heard part of a BBC world service programme about the
growth
and future impact of Virtual reality. It was stated that to begin with
the
main users would be gamers but this will eventually expand to all walks of
life giving the user a unique experience. Now keeping in mind this
experience is a mainly visual one then blind people are going to be
excluded
from taking advantage of this new technology.



Of course, it appeared that way when desk top computers arrived on the
scene
until screen readers made their appearance but regardless of that, with
the
increased use of graphics, screen readers are forever playing catch up and
there are still some things we can't take advantage of, regardless of a
screen reader. Another example was touch screen mobiles. When they
became
popular we blind folk had to stick to mobiles with physical keypads.
Then
along came voice over and talk back and we once more caught up somewhat.



What about visual reality though? As this is almost entirely a visual
experience will we be left behind once more and will we ever be able to
catch up or will it be a situation where the rest of the world moves on
with
their virtual reality experiences but we blind folk just lose out? Unless
in future the equipment can bypass the eyes and send the signal direct to
the part of the brain that deals with imagery then I can't see how we can
enjoy that new tech. But there is one factor that is a negative with
going
straight to the part of the brain that handles vision and imagery, what
about those folk who have been born from birth and have no idea of what to
expect, would using virtual reality be a terrifying and traumatic
experience. Maybe there is some factor I've not taken into consideration
or
there are things in the pipeline I'm not aware of but I'd be interested in
your opinions. One final point, There are a group of blind folk who have
never had sight, or have lost what sight they had decades ago and some of
those I've spoke to wouldn't want any vision virtual or otherwise so I
guess
those individuals will have no interest how this technology develops.
Walter.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

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